Dr. Andreas Kalcker: A Biophysicist Explains Chlorine Dioxide, Oxygen Therapies, and Cancer

As a sound engineer in the 1980s and 90s, Andreas Kalcker learned how frequencies move people emotionally, and that led to bigger questions: if vibration can change mood and perception, what else is the body responding to that we never measure? These questions eventually led Dr. Kalcker into biophysics and to a decades-long pursuit of causality in health, disease, and recovery. Throughout this conversation we keep coming back to one core idea: symptoms are the body’s intelligent response to an environment that’s becoming too toxic, too depleted, or too acidic, not proof that you’re “broken.” 

We dig into oxygen delivery, electrical charge, and terrain-based thinking, including a critique of how “oxidative stress” gets used as a catch-all explanation. Dr. Kalcker explains oxidative reduction potential (ORP) in plain terms, why voltage matters in oxidative therapies, and why the simplistic marketing of antioxidants can miss the deeper issue of oxygen utilization. Along the way, we challenge black-and-white ideas about pH and alkaline diets, and we explore metabolic acidosis as a pattern that can connect many chronic conditions under one framework. 

The second half narrows in on cancer metabolism through the Warburg effect: fermentation, sugar uptake, acidity, and what it could mean if cancer is a survival strategy under low-oxygen conditions. We also talk candidly about medical incentives, censorship, and why we try to stress-test ideas rather than build an echo chamber. If you are tired of chasing your symptoms, and want to start understanding your body, this conversation will help you feel grounded, hopeful, and empowered. Subscribe, share with a curious friend, and leave a review with the question you still can’t shake.

RESOURCES

• Dr Kalcker's Website
• Dr. Kalcker's Foundation
• The Kalcker Institute - Where you can take courses
• Dioxitube Video Channel

VIDEOS

• Water droplet exposed to harmonics
• Water's reaction to voltage
• 32 metronomes syncing
• The lost history of bells

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Transcript

Welcome And The Trilogy Context

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 69. I have another intellectual and practical feast for you today, or at least I think I do. In this episode, I had the honor of a second interview with Dr. Andreas Calker. Some of you may remember our first interview, which is far and away my most downloaded episode. It is episode number 16. And in case you have not heard it, it would be a great companion to this interview, especially if you are interested in chlorine dioxide. We covered quite different topics between the two shows. In this episode, I was delighted to get him to talk about his journey of coming to understand how it's possible that chlorine dioxide can so profoundly impact a wide range of health conditions. As you'll hear, he recounts the puzzle of trying to get his head around watching it help people overcome mercury poisoning while also helping other people recover from aggressive infections like MRSA, and it also helped him heal his own body of debilitating rheumatoid arthritis. Because the medical system and the doctors it trains don't think in terms of causes, it doesn't have a category for how one very inexpensive substance could possibly impact such seemingly unrelated health situations. And if we did our job well, by the time we're done, you will be able to explain why. So part of what I set out to accomplish with this interview and really the last couple of shows was to help you think more about your health in terms of root causes and to be able to see symptoms as both an intelligent response of the body and as a cry for specific kinds of help. So, in preparing my previous two interviews with G. Edward Griffin and Dr. Stephen Hussey regarding cancer and heart disease, respectively, I also knew this interview was in the works, and it was a fun puzzle for me to attempt to have these three episodes complement each other in their ability to help us understand biology and thus give us refreshingly simpler ways to think about caring for our bodies and reversing chronic or degenerative health issues. So in my first interview with Dr. Calker, we talked specifically about how chlorine dioxide can be a key part of a holistic strategy to clean the body from various toxins and even more specifically, toxins found in the COVID injections. In the second half of this episode, we narrowed our focus, I guess, as much as possible with a wide-ranging holistic thinker like Dr. Calker. We narrowed our focus to cancer. On that note, one of the concepts you may have picked up from my previous two interviews was that of acidity in our tissues and how acidity creates an environment where various microbes overgrow, and that environment is also conducive to the proliferation of cancer cells. What was fascinating for me in studying for my last three interviews is that all three of my guests referenced the work of Otto Warburg or Varberg. He was the man who received the Nobel Prize in 1931 for the discovery that cancer cells rely on fermentation to produce energy rather than using oxygen to produce energy. Now, the important point is that fermentation produces acid. If you've ever made kombucha, you know that to create fermentation and get that predictable acidic vinegar taste, you need to increase sugar and reduce available

Root Causes Versus Symptom Labels

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oxygen. And so it is with our cells. In the absence of enough oxygen, our cells use fermentation to create energy, and that creates an increasingly acidic environment. So a modern-day example of how we leverage Warburg's discovery is the screening tool called a PET scan. Now, PET scans are used to identify the location of cancer. Well, how does it find cancer? Because fermentation requires sugar, i.e. an energy source, areas of the body that are stuck in fermentation will uptake a dramatically disproportionate amount of sugar. And PET scans use, wait for it, radioactive glucose. Query the wisdom of using radiation in a body that's already sick, but anyway, that refined or that radiated sugar is able to be watched as it travels throughout the body. Wherever it concentrates tells oncologists where cancer is. So if you want a deeper dive into some of the risks of traditional cancer therapies and how cancer is an intelligent, life-saving response of the body. Wait, what? Check out my interview with G. Edward Griffin. The short version is cancer cells use fermentation because it is the only option to stay alive long enough to hopefully find themselves back in an oxygen-rich environment where they don't need to run the acid-producing life-saving process. So why is that relevant to this discussion? Well, one of the things that is so fascinating about chlorine dioxide, or the alternative preparation chlorine dioxide solution, is its ability to deliver oxygen to the tissue right where the body needs it. Essentially, chlorine dioxide helps rebalance the terrain. Now, to be fair, an acidic environment is still a symptom. The question becomes what creates an acidic environment? And that is something Dr. Calker and I get into as well. To help you think critically about various oxidative therapies, one of the geekier things my science-minded listeners will probably enjoy was when Dr. Calker did a screen share to discuss the various voltage levels or oxygen potential of various oxidative therapies. Side note, if you want to watch this part of the interview, you'll have to put it on our website. We can't post this interview on YouTube because they take down pretty much everything related to chlorine dioxide. But relative to oxidative therapies, you'll hear us banter about the wisdom or lack thereof of diets focused heavily on alkaline foods. We also talk about the marketing of antioxidants, especially for people who are overweight. We discussed what happens in the body when it is given high dose vitamin C, which is a therapy that rapidly diminishes oxygen levels, which makes you wonder why we would do that and why does it seem to be beneficial? A couple of other fun nuggets we discussed during the show were was Dr. Calker's background as a sound engineer and how that helped him understand the world of frequencies and voltage to frame a more holistic way of looking at the body. So we barely scratched the surface of that, but in case you're interested, he has an entire course on it, and I'll put a couple of videos in the show

Warburg, Fermentation, And Acid Terrain

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notes that will probably blow your mind. So let me give you some context here. Both Dr. Calker and Dr. Hussey from my previous episode number 68 both referenced the work of Gerald Pollock. And if you listened to my last episode, you know we also talked about how the heart is the place where, with the right equipment, we can most easily see the interface of chemistry, voltage, and light, and how those aspects of physics interface with water. So in the show notes, you'll find a couple of videos of how water responds to voltage. One of the videos shows how they suspend a droplet of water in the air and then use frequencies, and you see what happens when they expose the droplets to various frequencies or various harmonics and various chaotic agents. And the first harmonic makes the water vibrate. What gets fun is the second harmonic makes the suspended droplet oscillate between a sphere and two blobs. The third harmonic, you might not be surprised to think, makes it oscillate between a sphere and three blobs, and the fourth and fifth and so on, all the way to eight harmonics. So frequency definitely impacts water, and our bodies contain a lot of water. Also fascinating, I couldn't resist it. I put in the show notes a video that shows 32 different metronomes, all started at different times, and how in a matter of a few minutes they all sync up with each other because of resonance. So ponder that relative to the natural and unnatural frequencies that surround us. Why am I telling you this? Well, because resonance is also relevant to cancer cells. One of the ways our cells know their place in the body is because of resonant frequencies. Our cells and organs all have their own acoustic signature, if you will. They all know how to sync up with each other. And that is part of what explains why, say, liver cells know how to stay together and be a liver. Similar to how you recognize someone's voice, our cells recognize frequencies. It's like, oh yeah, I recognize that voice. That's my neighbor. I belong here. And so I tell you all this to say toward the end of the episode, I told a story of one of my fellow classmates in Dr. Calker's course who talked about the results he had purging parasites with one of the resonance machines that, using his understanding of frequency, Dr. Calker helped to program. It's fascinating stuff. So, Lord willing, I'll do some deeper dives in the future to help you not only appreciate the overlooked world of frequencies and light therapies, but I'll do my best to help you feel grounded so you don't get duped by products that don't have much or any meaningful efficacy. For now, I still have homework to do. So in the meantime, enjoy the Mindbender videos. I even threw in one about the lost history of bells. Was that part of a lost application of frequency medicines? I don't know, but it's interesting history to ponder. What was with all the giant bells? Who knows? Okay, one final note before I play the interview. I heard years ago that a medical school professor, and I can't remember who it was, he used to say to first day med students half of what we're about to teach you is wrong. The problem is, we professors, don't know which half it is. Which is a way to say, at the end of the day, as with all my episodes, what you are about to hear is a thoughtful opinion on various topics. Neither Dr. Calker nor I would claim to know everything. And in fact, one of the things I like about him is his willingness to change his mind when he comes across better information. One example of that is in this episode. Like me, he was under the impression that colloidal or nanosilver should not be used with chlorine dioxide because they would simply cancel each other out. Someone challenged his logic on that, and as you'll hear, he now sees that idea differently, and applying that knowledge turned into a pretty powerful remedy. So, as

Oxidative Therapies And ORP Basics

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with all my episodes, you may hear ideas or perspectives that challenge your own, and that's the point of the show. If you listen to enough of my episodes, you'll find that not all of my guests agree with each other, and creating an echo chamber is not the point of my show. So the honest stress testing of ideas is the point. That is how we develop better ideas. And as you know, nothing in this episode is meant to be personal health advice or to replace the care of someone you trust. It's just meant to stretch your thinking. As one of my mentors challenged me, he said, take the meat and leave the bones. That's what makes learning fun. So welcome to an intellectual playground of ideas. Take what makes sense to you and where it may not, keep an open mind. Humility will help you develop an increasingly accurate map of reality. As always, I'll have links for you in the show notes where you can find Dr. Calker's uh resources, including his website. And I guess as a side note, I was strangely pleased to see that one of his websites, like mine, can sometimes triggers a warning that, like, it's basically says, Oh my gosh, this site contains risky information. You might get duped by this guy telling you that your body can heal. And careful, do you really want to proceed? So, what can I say? The information gatekeepers are alive and well, friends. So if you get that warning about his website, you can click that link and peacefully proceed if you are so inclined. I did so and I lived to tell about it. Uh, in the end, I hope this episode helps you develop a sense of reverence and awe for the magnificent human body. And after you listen to the episode, you might go back to my previous two episodes and listen to them again, or for the first time, because it's likely new pennies will drop. In my mind, the last three episodes are almost a trilogy that belong together, and it is my hope that this show helps you see health much more holistically and how simple it can be to find and address root causes. What robs us of health, friends, really does boil down to two things malnourishment, i.e., the lack of resources, and toxicity, which isn't just heavy metals and chemicals and venoms, but toxic thinking too. And we also discuss the power of thoughts in this interview. Okay, welcome to a discussion between two people doing our best to be students of reality. I hope this interview gives you a lot of refreshing perspective and confidence in your body's ability to heal. So, without further ado, here is my conversation with the brilliant and humble Dr. Andreas Kalker. Hello, everyone. Welcome to today's show. It is my honor to have Mr. Andreas Kalker back again with me. So, for those of you who did not hear the first

Frequency, Water, And Resonance Teasers

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interview, I want to give you a little background on him. He is a biophysicist of German origin. He spent much of his life in Spain. He previously worked at the University of Bern in Switzerland at their Department of Biomedical Research. He is the author of at least two books on chlorine dioxide. Forbidden Health Incurable was yesterday. And he is also the author of Achieved Health, and it's the most important medical discovery of the last hundred years, is the subtitle. As you might imagine, he's been featured in numerous interviews around the world. He is the head of the ALK Foundation and the Calker Institute, which reaches into over 60 countries. So he has a lot of range on his ability to see this worldwide. He's recognized as an innovative leader in oxidative

Dr. Kalker’s Background In Sound

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therapies and bioelectrical therapies, or what is called electromolecular medicine. His work has reached into the realm of chronic infections, neurological diseases like Parkinson's, and he's also done work in the realm of autism, cancer, and interestingly, animal husbandry. So, all that said, um, he's just somebody who's not afraid to speak truth and point out broken systems where he sees them. So, Dr. Calker, thanks for coming on the show again.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

Thank you, Christian. What an introduction. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Thank you. Uh well, just uh me myself, it's uh I'm trying to figure out stuff that that bothers me, and here we are.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

You and me both. Yes, that's part of what this show is all about. So, what I didn't get to ask you the first time in our interview is just really about your background. And so through taking one of your courses, I realized you you originally worked as a sound engineer, and that I imagine gave you all sorts of insights into the world of frequency. So tell us that part of the story. How did you go from being a sound engineer to becoming a biophysicist?

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Well, actually, I have to admit, I'm now 65 years old, and so uh it was in the in the former life somehow in the 80s, 90s. Yes, and uh well, as as a young man, you love music. I love music anyway. And uh so as a musician, too, and uh you stepped into and okay, you'll become a sound engineer with the time. So you traveled around a lot with people, uh, or you were doing recordings in studios, and uh I had a lot of people uh there, and well, and it it it impacted me very much, you know. Because well, what what is the difference, for example? If you uh what's the difference between somebody who's fiddling with the knobs and the sound engineer? So somebody who you start fiddling with the knobs, me too, you know, you fiddle around sounds better, sounds worse, but then comes the question why? And when the question why comes, you say, aha, what is called this? Ah, Hertz, uh-huh, it's a frequency. Uh 10,000 Hertz, that's very high, and or 100 hertz, that's that's low. And and you start to learn all the frequency, how they work, how they interact. And after a time, I was in front of uh working on the big, big, big stuff, you know, the 40 the SSL uh desks and so on, and when I was 20, and there's a lot of knobs, you know, up there, and uh so fiddling with the knobs doesn't work anymore. So you have to use your brain. So basically, I started to understand how frequency works, how uh decibel works, how Q works, how um fast Fourier transfer reason and all that stuff you have to learn to understand what you're really doing. Because at that time, later, I was working with famous people like I don't know, maybe you know Montserrat Cavalier, she was a uh opera singer, famous opera singer, and uh she sings with the three tenors and all. And and we have to say, even if you don't like classic music, it is the most difficult to record because it's the most picky one of all, you know. With a hard guitar, you sounds good, it's up next. But on if you have a orchestra, the Berlin Philharmonic, and and every you hear every little thing, you know, I call it Fitzel, you know, uh something is it's chair over there, and now noise over there, over there. You have to be very accurate. But I learned a lot with her, and so that it was very hard. Very, very, let's say it was it was the top, you know. I had other people too, uh famous ones, but it was normal, normal uh standard music. And uh there, for example, she was the first actually. He uh there was a question because you have to imagine the area 80s, and the young young people can't even understand it. No mobile phone, no internet, no, there wasn't. Uh so the question was um, is it possible to sing so loud that you can break a glass? And I asked her, and she was and she said, Um, yes, you can break it. Do you know somebody? Yes, me. Because it was funny. She has an enormous voice, but when she speaks, she speaks like she spoke always like that. And uh, so I said, Can't you test this? I don't believe it so much. Yes, but it has to be a very small glass and final. So we're running up in the studio, up and down, find a wine glass, bring several ones till we had a fine one, and ding ding ding ding. She's going ding ding ding ding ding. Oh I will try with this one. So she went out of the studio, and you know, in the recording studio doors like that, when they close, it makes in your ears. You don't hear anything, in theory. But she was on the on the way outside warming up her voice, and you can hear it inside. What a voice, this woman. Amazing. And so

Disclaimers, Humility, And Open Inquiry

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she came in and said, Okay, we will try and say, Okay. She really did. I saw that before, you know. That was one of the aha moments I had as a recording engineer. The other moment was with her too, we were recording the fifth of Mala, and she was putting voice over the fifth of Mala, there where's no voice normally. So we were recording the fifths of Mala, and you are highly concentrated. You are thinking in your brain, it's going like, okay, channel 16, 10 kilohertz, 3 dB with a Q of 08, and channel 90. It's numbers. You have hundreds of numbers in your brain. You're like that. You have because you you're really concentrated on that. And in this moment, a tear was running down, clack on on the mixing console. I was it was annoying me, you know. It's like, what is going on here? And and and you go on and and and fiddle around. And and then I realized, hey, wait a moment. Frequencies can do something to you without you wanting to do it. You know, so because you're highly concentrated, you're not in the emotional mood. And this was something when I said, okay, so we can do something in the body of someone if we do it right. And it helped me a lot later when we make, for example, for sound under documentary films and all that stuff, because people don't know, but a documentary is anything but manipulation. It's manipulation pure of pure when you see the voice. The typical scene, you know, you see some penguins jumping, jumping in the water, and you have the voice of the BBC coming, well, in this year the penguins are barely surviving. What? They're just jumping into the water, and you put the music to the voice. Everybody believes it. You know, if it's in it's a total lie, you know. So I was part of the people that lied due to music, not words, but in the in the ambience. And so, for example, we are very emotional people, as by nature. So we have these half and half, and the emotion kicks in. When the emotion kicks in, you have no chance because always stronger, you know. Everyone knows who's been in love once, you know. The stupidity level goes to 150. And uh but it's great, you know, you feel well like never before. And and and so this was my let's say my background. And I always wanted to be by a physicist, but I hadn't never the chance. But after a time, uh I got the chance, so I learned it and as a or quite late, um, because I want to know about this wasn't not for having a degree or something, I had the real need to know what's going on. And uh, well, I made my PhD there on a distance, a university on distance, that was not recognized by the official ones, and it's saying, Oh, so and later I figured out that the CDS worked, and it does, and by the way, it's not bleach. Uh, and uh the problem was why? Because I first gave it to uh my best friend, then to the neighbor, then people in the street. It worked on totally different uh people, and I said it's not possible, there's it's not logic because my brain is well, I'm a German, you know, blockheads, uh typical. Uh and I want to know the why. This was 20 years now ago, nearly. And uh, this is what every the difficult question here you find out very Fast that something works, it doesn't work. But the why that's a hard job. And uh so we came to the why. Yes, there is a why. So for the layman, chlorine dioxide, C D S increases the oxygen in the body, and due to the high charge, it eliminates pathogens. Okay, that's a easy, easy, easy part. And so that makes you understand that it can work for so many different um ailments or diseases. Uh it can it works very, very fine, but it's not a medicament in the classical sense at all. So it is not about a substance, it's about learning about the substance. And and as you said, yes, I made the book, first book, uh well, the second one was actually the forbidden health, and now we have the the update. Let's say it's heavier and more stuff even in because it was 10 years ago, it was the bestseller. And I'm very thankful for all the people that supported me. And uh, and I'm thankful to the critics too. Uh, by the way, uh, really, because they made they the critics say, No, that's not possible. Why they say, What? Uh and they say, Because of this and this and this. And then you have to study and you have to say, Okay, I want I want to know the truth, because uh it's about it's about it's a kind of truth seeking. You yeah, it is truth seeking, actually. And and then you find out, wow, it's not how I thought, it's different, and it's like this, and it's like that, and it's like that. And uh, well, that's that's uh my last 20 years, maybe maybe of work. And so now we have the institute where we can teach from laymen to professors, anything in between, and they can have the knowledge because it's a fantastic knowledge. I love it, I love, I love what I do. Um, many, many people getting recovered um and uh uh gain back their life that they lost before.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yeah, and you do it so well. Your course was just a fun, uh you really did bridge laymen to healthcare professional very well, or to people who really want to get in the weeds of the chemistry and all the ways it works. And so yeah, I've I found it to be a rich environment. Uh one of the things that I didn't know the first time we talked was uh, and you mentioned in your course you used to have rheumatoid arthritis, right umpteen years ago is considered incurable, and which is a major bummer if you're a musician as well. So you can now play instruments and move your fingers fine. So um tell us about that part of your journey. Was it was healing that what led you to look into chlorine dioxide in the first place? Or how did that go? Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Because I was in the beginning of the 40s and and and I started to have rheumatoid arthritis. It means my hands were like that, I couldn't lift a pen. And you say, What? Um so you went, you're the typical, you go from one doctor to the other, doctor to the other, and say, Oh, get used to here's a pill. What? And uh my character as a person is I I don't have problems, I have challenges, always

Rheumatoid Arthritis And Early Discovery

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anything in life, you know. So I always try to see things positive. It's a challenge, and I said, Can't be. And uh destiny helped me very much too, I have to say, uh, because it brought me to Jim Humble in that time, MMS somebody. And I said, I'm not so I don't know if that's true, you know. Let's try it with a dog first. So we had an old dog, 13 years old, a tackle. She was all barely lying in the basket, and so I put some drops with water and put it in a syringe, give it her at night. She didn't like it. But okay, next day I opened the door, she was running like crazy through the garden, and I said, Oops, what's going on here? So I tried it myself. And uh I noticed it immediately it worked. But it was, let's say, the the the grand-grandfather of what we have now, you know. So from this point, we developed it because if you took MMS in higher doses, it makes you well, you don't want it, believe me, you know, because from diarrhea till vomiting, everything included, but and then it works. So it worked on me. So yes, it's true, it works. And uh what what what I have done is simply is to improve the recipe, nothing, nothing else.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Okay, well, let's let's define our terms a little bit. For somebody who's maybe hearing about chlorine dioxide or MMS for the first time, talk us through a little bit of the what is MMS, what is C D or the mixing of the drops, and what is CDS. How would you differentiate those?

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Okay, that's a good one. So actually, chlorine dioxide is known, very well known in the chemistry world. It's used for drinking water supply for 100 years, at least the ones that have more money, not bleach, you know. And uh, so it's two substances is sodium chloride with a T, NaC, LO2. Don't confuse it. And the other thing is an acid, lactic acid, citric acid, vinegar, what a lemon acid, whatever you want. It's an acid. So the chemical reaction creates a reaction, and these you put a few drops of one, a few drops of the other, you put water in it, you drink it.

MMS Versus CDS Clarified

SPEAKER_04 27:15

That's the old MMS style that is from times of Jim Humble. And uh yeah, it worked. It works perfectly. The problem is if you go higher than three, four, five drops, your stomach will react uh accordingly, and uh and uh you have to be very close to the toilet because the diarrhea can catch you when you don't want. So I said, Well, that's that's not so optimum. But the destiny as well helped me when there was a farmer in the northern Spain, about 500 kilometers from us, and he wrote me, Oh, I had very good experience with the MMS, but I tried it on my cows, but it doesn't work. They get so much diarrhea that's very dangerous for cows, you know. Can't you do something? Okay. So I sit down and say, What can we do? And then the lightning strikes me, and uh I said, Hey, and if we only use the gas. So basically, what happens is when you mix these two substances, yes, they turn brown, but you still have this strong smell of pool smell, let's say, the strong pool smell, the classic pool smell, and say, and it's the gas that is actually working, not the substances that are in. And so I said, Okay, well, let's filter the gas through a tube. The only catch in water, the gas, and leave the residues out. That's CDS. And it worked like a charm on the on the kettle, it worked perfect, and so on. We even could inject it uh at that time, and it was an amazing thing. And uh, so Jim Humble came and uh he visited us, and uh, I brought him up there, and he invented the name CDS, by the way, and it was 2012, because for us was just well, okay, we we have it here, and then we find out oh, the taste is much better, it doesn't taste so awful, and oh, we don't get diarrhea if we drink it. Wow, that's great. So it was like uh uh one of the most beautiful discovery journeys. Well, it's not the one I could imagine, it's not of my life, and in general, you use you each time you discover something new and then you give it to somebody, it works here, it works there, it works in everything, it's amazing. And you have friends that have cancer and they get cured, you have people with fibromyalgia that get cured and so on. In the beginning, you can't believe it because you don't understand it, and this is a problem. So, to work with this stuff, yeah, you you really have to read it. You know, it's it's it's not the substance for lazy people that say, I don't want to eat nothing, I want a pill and let me go, you know. No, it doesn't work like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah, okay. Well, in the world of chlorine dioxide, I've found I've been in it for several years now, and I've found there's you could say different purists who say it's gotta be the old MMS or it's CD and has to be hydrochloric acid or chlorine dioxide solution only. And there's different, I just think of them as almost family squabbles. Like we're arguing over, we're all rowing in the same direction trying to help people heal. But what do you have any perspective to lend to various people who really want to say it's it's best done one particular way and shouldn't be done other ways?

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Let's say if you want to have the least side effects, CDS, no doubt. If you want to be fast, well, the MMS, for example, you have a foot, at least foot, you know, you put the two together on the foot, and who cares? The foot will not have a diarrhea, you know, you don't drink it. So it works. Uh on the other hand, uh, I publicly have to defend the CDS, not because I invented it, no. Uh it is it is because it has less side effects. Because the FDA went against the old MMS and said, Oh, we know that's dangerous because chlorite. So they make a list about what chloride does, the precursor. That's not the substance. And we have to understand that coal is a precursor of gunpowder, but it's definitely not the same. So the same happens with chlorine chlorite, uh, with a T and with uh um CDS. So uh they are different substances of the same family, yes, but like in families, you have the good guys and the not so good guys, you know, it's exactly the same.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Okay. Fair enough. Yeah, I just I was curious your thoughts on that. So one of the fun things I picked up from your course, you really helped me crystallize was um seeing symptoms not as a disease themselves, but as different ways the body responds. It basically hand uses the cards it's been dealt. And so in the conventional model, really anything besides perfect health is kind of a disease process, and that of course needs an intervention. So unpack the idea for us that symptoms are a progressive and intelligent way that the body responds to a situation it finds itself in.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, for example, what I see when you go to science itself, and you say, okay, science is settled. First of all, science is never settled. Anyone who says that is that wrong.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 32:31

Uh so the point is that you say, okay, where's the mistake of the science? So then the numbers are normally right. You know, there's nothing to discuss about the numbers, but the conclusions is wrong. And what is a conclusion? A conclusion is an opinion. So we can have a science paper as long as you want, and in the end, it put conclusion. We conclude that dot dot dot. We had a big bang. Okay, we had a big bang. So where comes the energy from? Or the law of thermodynamics

Symptoms As Intelligent Body Responses

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is wrong if you if we had a big bang. So uh or you're wrong here, you're wrong there. And then this is where you catch signs always, and especially in medicine, they don't ask for the reason. They don't need because they don't get money for for finding out the reason. They get money for treating you, and the more the longer they treat you, the better. So a chronic patient is a pay is a perfect patient for the industry, not for the doctor necessarily, because usually doctors want to heal people, usually, not all of them. Uh no comment. So uh we we we saw that now with all the vaccines. And uh so when we understand that it is an industrial system, and the industrial system needs to create money, that's the only reason it exists. So we understand there are many mistakes that it will not be looked after. For example, you have for Merck, uh, the big book about how many illnesses we have, and on most of them is a reason unknown. They don't want to know the reason. And what I found out is that you say, hey, wait a minute. Body, as you say correctly, is always intelligent. So a symptom actually can be a symptom, or it can be a reaction or a plan B, C, D of the body. You know, for example, if we have um whatever calcium, you know, we have you have uh uh stones, kidney stones or uh bile stones, you know. It's it's a causal reaction, so it is a reaction of too high acidity, and the body has to say, uh hello, my cells will die, I don't want that. He calls in all the calcium that's alkaline to um to uh to to as a remedy against the too high acidity that would harm the cells. So then we say, okay, the acidity goes down, but we have the stones. That's a side effect, you know. Like he doesn't care about tomorrow, he cares about now. Your body only doesn't know future only now. So, and like this, we have many things, you know. So, um cholesterol, or you have uh hundreds of thousands things that are really bad of a bad interpretation, you know. When you have water in your um excess water in your legs, for example, or anywhere in the body, uh edema it's called. Uh, so in in this is a defense mechanism. So we put everything in the same box, even if it's a defense mechanism, if we don't go to the real cause. And this is the difference where I step in now, nearly 20 years later, and say, hey, we need something that is called electromolecular medicine, because everything has a reason. So I want in the future to create a more reasonable medicine where the students can understand what's really going on, if then, you know, because after being a recording engineer, we've been programming too, and so in the uh old times in the 90s. So uh actually you learn assembler from the beginning or cobalt or whatever, you know, the old old guys middle of the nine with a green screen and so on, matrix times. And uh if you have a program and there's a mistake, you have to find the mistake. If not, you're screwed. So this type of working, if we implement it into medicine, then we have a true real medicine that will heal people from the true cause. And as you said before, we we we we are emotional people, and there comes the problem because we half of it is maybe chemistry, food, or whatever, but the other half of it, or whatever, in my mouth, is your brain. You know, if you are in a loop of fear or in a loop of anger, in a loop of error, on a loop of nobody understands me and the world is against me, whatever. So actually, we're living in the most beautiful world ever. But we're too stupid to see it many times. And so this is the other part that can make you very, very ill. Actually, uh, what we found out, and not only me, many others too, um, that when you see somebody with cancer, usually, usually in the most cases, they had a longer period of uh anger, frustration, drama, um or uh let's say uh it's something that and in a high uh psychological impact, let's say, uh a trauma, psycho trauma. So so we have to put everything together in a more holistic way, and this is beautiful because you could say, hey, now I start to understand what's going on with this person, or with this person, or with my brother, with my sister, with my mother. You start to understand, and and this is the effect for me at that time. It was like you know the film Matrix when when you saw it, and in the in the end, when you see Nao can see every thing, and that's the effect I had, and I said with health, and said, Wow, it's it's not so complicated if you understand it.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Yeah, you're totally- I love the way your brain thinks holistically, because I don't meet as many people who can see with that kind of range. And one of the things you stated in the course is that where you can observe an effect, there must be causes. And you made sure to emphasize that it's plural, there's never a singular cause. And so what I'm hearing you say is you're just expanding on wait a minute, there's there's more to this human, there's the emotional frame. And you even said in one of the lectures about how you can have a um song stuck in your head the same way you can have a resonance or a memory or a looping emotional thought stuck in your head, and we we don't always connect the two. So, anything more you want to say about that holistic frame before we zoom in a little more on chlorine dioxide?

SPEAKER_04 39:05

If we don't see our body holistic, we will never be able to really fix it. This is logic because um you think something's wrong in your finger, but you have your finger is connected with uh to to your forearm, your forearm is connected to your shoulder, your shoulders connected, and the end it starts stops in the belly. No, it even goes to your vertebrae where the uh fascias are connected and holding every every organ. So it might be that you eat something bad and your finger is snapping because you eat something bad. It's not the finger that's a problem. Because if you it's like if your little boy tears you here, you can stumble and fall, uh, all the body, you know. So it it is holistic, means that we have to be smarter. This is so so so simple like that, you know. So standard medicine is I see it more and more. Sorry to say for all the colleagues, but that's middle, not even middle ages. So you cut, burn, poison. Hello? It sounds barbaric. No, but imagine you take your car and you drive it to the garage and say, uh, I mean it makes a strange sound. And they they open the hood and oh, if we cut this out and throw this out and so close the hood, everything's fine. Okay, uh, wait a moment. And then he burns a little bit something else, and so should work. Uh and then you come the bill with oh, only 60,000 dollars uh for half an hour. I just say, Hello? I'm in the wrong film here, or what? Not even Hollywood can make such a stupid film, you know. And they do a lot of stupid films. So uh there's one film I like. Uh when we say, Well, and that's right, you know, humanity will not die of uh uh of of uh cataclysm, it will die of stupidity. That's it. So it's now for us the time, in my your age, my age, whatever, to to really help the ones that are coming and to make them understand don't believe any crap.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Yeah, it's just giving them different lenses to see and evaluate reality. I love the frame of there's multiple causes because what the system teaches you to think of is it's fatalism. We don't really know and it just happens, or these these fixed genetic, you know, lottery scenarios that you have this problem and there's nothing we can do about it. And they don't, they're just anyway, never mind the causes. Let's just talk about it. Um, or let's just treat it, like you're saying with the car mechanic analogy. So one of the, I guess besides just the fatalism, um, sometimes the our symptoms will get blamed on our genes. But um one of the dominant ones today is just that poor health is the result of oxidative stress. So they're the oxidative stress theory theory. So give us in your mind, where does that theory or that perspective fall short? What is it? Where does it fall short? And how can we think about because this becomes highly relevant when we're thinking about chlorine dioxide and its uh implications for being a part of reversing the multifaceted causal elements of health.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

First of all, I have to say 99% of the doctors don't even have ever read the paper of Denim Haman. He uh he wrote it in 56. This is the oxidative stress theory. Exactly, the guy who came out with that. And um and uh it is funny because sometimes I have a seminar, you know, full of four or five hundred colleagues and doctors there, and they'll listen to you and say, Okay, who knows about oxidative stress? And everybody puts a hand up. And then I said, Okay, you read the paper of of Den Haman, no? And then the people go like this, you know. And then the question, uh, how many pages does it have? And everybody says, Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

Yeah, it's like showing up.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

One and a half page, it's one and a half page, even with all the references. So he wouldn't even get it published publicized today, yeah. No way, you know, and it everything is built on this. And you say, Hey, wait a moment, it's a bit very, very wacky. So he says that the uh reactive oxidant species are harmful. Yes, that's basically right that I'm not discussing that, for example, but you have to define it correctly. So and it's not defined. So everything is oxidative stress. No, it's not if we boil it down and I have I I can show you something here with uh I can I can I open it um screen share.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

For those of you watching this interview, you're about to see something on

Oxidative Stress Critique With Voltage

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the screen.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

So let me see if I can do that. Okay. So I hope you can see that now. It's coming. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

So here you have, let's say, uh what is oxidative stress. And oxidative stress, yes, it's always named, and you need vitamin C and antioxidants, and and it's all like a real big BS. No, I will say bullshit because it's what it is. Because nobody in nobody really understands what it is. So Denham Harmon in his paper originally he said about OH groups, that's hydroxyl. So the one they see up there, the highest one, and this has 2800 millivolt. Well, okay, what's it's as much as we don't know. It's it's 2800. But what we know, and now it comes, we know our cells work with oxygen. Does oxygen make oxidative stress? No, because without it, in three minutes, we are dead. Okay. So it I think it's this is clear to anyone here uh that is listening. So we need oxygen. And so I ask myself, and oxygen, what's the value, the voltage value, the ORP oxidative reduction potential, it's called? What is the value? Okay, it's around 1200, depend on temperature and blah blah and so on. Let's say from 1000 to 1100. So if something comes into your body with 2800, that's nearly three times the strength, obviously it will harm you. It is like putting instead of 12 volt or to your computer, 36 volt. It will harm it. Not only your computer, your cells is exactly the same because your cells need that. So you know this is doing oxidative stress to your cells. And when do we have it? Well, for example, well, many things we eat. Alcohol, for example, all you can remember easy. Oh OHA group, OH groups. Uh, after two liters of whiskey, you say OHA, that was a bit too much. Oh for more than you will never forget that. So the OHA groups, you know, the OH groups, yes, they release uh a lot of these hydroxyl groups. And uh, if after these two liters, you're definitely drunk. Some more, some less, but actually it affects your cells. Yes, no discussion about it. Now, if you go with oxygen, you can go out in the wood, you can go out anywhere and say you breathe it and say, No, it's it's nice. If I have the uh the right amount, my body's happy. And then we have other oxidizers, okay? We have, for example, chlorine dioxide. And if you look in the chart, you see it's 940. It's even below standard oxygen, so the logic consequences it will by system not harm the cell. Everything can harm the cell depending on conditions. It's a general generic expression. So it's lower, it will not harm. Okay, it will not. It's a difference between what is the oxidation potential. Let's boil it down to the layman. Fire. You know, if you have a little match and you put it under your finger a short time, nothing will happen. You can move as long as you move. Okay. If you put uh a flamethrower, uh, you will have a maybe a problem. This is a differential, okay? And so the hydroxyl is a flamethrower, and the chlorine dioxide is, let's say, the little stove that heats you when you feel cold. Nothing more. You will not get burnt. You can even touch it, no problem. So this is a difference in between one and the other of ox redox potential. Now it comes. If we have a bacteria, how much do they resist? They resist very little because they're so, so, so, so small that immediately they get burnt because it's an oxidation, burnt oxidation, the same. So they can resist the maximum 90 millivolt, 100 maybe, if so on the short term. That is 10 times less than chlorine dioxide with 940. So chlorine dioxide will work on them and burn them to ground, to ashes. So, and can they get resistant? No, they can't, because nobody can get resistance to getting burnt. You know, if you put them on the stack, no way. Uh a human, uh, animal, whatever was on the stack, if the fire is strong enough, you will get burned. So that happens to the bacteria, virus, fungus, and that's why it's not affecting our cells. And this is the big deal here. So it eliminates all the bacteria, survivors, and fungus. And now it comes the best of all. In the rules of ORP, the stronger always oxidizes the weaker. So if we have chlorine dioxide in the body that is 940 millivolt, and the hydroxyl comes, let's say you have a party and weekend and so on, and have these alcohol too much, or in inflammation, infection, they have they create oxy OH groups too. So what happens is that the hydroxyl will oxidize the chlorine dioxide and will decay into water, or there's another one that is um uh superoxide, it will decay into oxygen. It's not on the list. And so basically, it decays to oxygen or to water, and it reduces these radicals that are harmful. Means that if on Saturday you had a big party and on Sunday you have a headache, uh drink that stuff and the headache will be gone because uh you uh the OH groups that are still residue in your body will be compensated. So it can do both, it can oxidize and it can reduce. It can depending on to in front of what or to who or or whom, you know, like it's like us, you know, we we react very different depending on who we have in front. We can be very friendly, or we can be very, very, very tough on some people we don't like, and uh the same happens to the substance. And the substance is so amazing because actually it only what's the left over salt, less than a crumb, and oxygen because ClO2, and this is the great stuff. Cl, yeah, people say, oh, chlorine. No, it's not a chlorine molecule like bleach. No, it's a chlorine ion, and the chlorine ion decays to table salt, that's chloride. It's the same, same family, same family, different group. So once we understand that and said, hey, wait a minute, how long can I take table salt? All my life, and how long can I take oxygen? Hopefully, all your life too. So this is the limit, and it was proven with our lab rats that lived 30% longer and um drinking nothing but chlorine dioxide in water, of course.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Wow. Okay, well, it was fun to hear you go into more of the nuance in the course, too, because it helped me have context on you talked about um ozone, you talked about hyperbaric oxygen, you talked about hydrogen peroxide, and you're as you're setting up the idea that disease is many ways is just oxygen deprivation, there are other oxidative therapies out there, you're able to more clearly differentiate why chlorine dioxide or CDS would be um helpful to the body. And it basically it's that potential to balance the oxygen levels. Did I understand that correctly?

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Yes. Well, we have to say one thing. Um if uh you have it all boils down to mathematics, you know, to numbers. So a voltage is a number, and you can voltage is electron pressure, all the ones that want to know, pressure of electrons. So it the higher the number, the stronger the force, obviously. So, and when we understand that, and we can say, okay, I have this with this force and this with this force, then we can predict exactly what will happen under what circumstances. And this is a fantastic thing. It's a totally different kind of medicine, because most most MDs are very bad on mathematics or on physics, you know. I know that. Sorry, sir. Uh, you had the greatest party in the university, I know, because we are with some boring freaks in the in the corner down there. You're right. But if you do the math, actually, then you find out you can really boil it down to mathematics, everything. You know, and some people will disagree, but look at, for example, AI. You can speak with AI, like with a human being. This is mathematics behind it all. So everything boils down to math. Our cells are mathematical constructs, too, uh, vortexes or fields and so on, very complex. But in the end, it's all um mathematics. And once you understand the mathematics behind it, you say, wow, I got it. This is like the matrix behind the the optics, optic illusion.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Yeah, it just made so many therapies have more of an intuition, I guess, is one of the things I took away from it. And you talked, there were several nuggets that helped crystallize it. You talked about, I guess, the wisdom or lack there of using high-dose synthetic vitamin C as a therapy because it's it's we're against oxygen at this point, anti-oxygen, right? We're we're suppressing oxygen. And you made the point that, well, if if oxygen was a bad thing, athletes would probably be the people in the world with the most disease because they take up more oxygen than the rest of us. Or um Wimhoff was another example you used where he's he's got more oxygen coming into him with his breathing techniques, and yet he's one of the healthiest people you'll find. So, um, or even overweight people, like giving them antioxidants, taking away oxygen when what they they're missing is more than that is the worst.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

That is actually the worst because when I travel in US, I I have to say I don't know any other country with more overweight people. So, and it's it's true. Sorry to say. Um, and uh and and and uh what's happening actually there? They're not eating so much more. No, the problem is what they eat toxin is a poison, and so the body says, I want to dilute poison, so they have a soft drink, uh, more water, and the body gets uh uh um gets most of the actually it's not fat, it's water to dilute all the poisons you have in your fast food and and all these crap food you you get in the US. And it's actually true, you can't even eat fruit. I'm I'm there and I I open a uh um a strawberry and they're white inside. I said, White? They're red. No, they're white here. They look beautiful, but they taste nothing and like everything. You don't notice a taste between anything, and then you see an apple and say, wait a moment, I have apples in my in my garden, they don't look like that, uh, so shiny and like polished uh and like like a Chevrolet. No, no, come on. No way, and then you see what's on then, and uh you have from Bill Gates to whoever. So um it's the problem is the overweight I can see in the states and and in Mexico too, and other places, uh not only the states, and and more and more in you in uh Europe too, um, is actually by poison. Uh so it's it's a slow poison, and the slow poison creates chronic diseases, and the chronic disease is a business, and so the industry say, hey, great, yeah, more money for us.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Yeah. Well, comment too. This was another nugget that dropped in your course, but you talked about the idea of trying to eat an alkaline diet or focusing on foods that are just alkalizing and what we may be missing or what we are missing when we focus on trying to externally manage our internal pH or our acidity level strictly with food. What is what is your higher level look at that fad?

SPEAKER_04 56:06

I'm gonna try to explain it very easy to.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

So, for example, when you're a kid, your uncle or ever said, This is a good guy and this is a bad guy. And you believe it.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

So pH is good or pH is bad, and you believe it.

SPEAKER_04 56:23

When you grow up and now you're a grown man, are all the good guys really good and are all the bad guys really bad? There's no such thing. It's a big gray area from very dark gray to light gray. And once we understand that pH is is has nothing to do with good or bad, it's just from

Alkaline Diet Claims And Metabolic Acidosis

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very dark to very light, and it has to be a difference to work. Because let's say it is like high and low, and the water always wants to go low, so it needs to run some to move something, and pH differential has to exist for the body to work, so it's not good or it's not bad, it's just a number. And uh, so you have things in your body that are extremely acidic, like stomach acid. Yeah, so if you put on something acidic something alkaline, it gets it zeros out, you know, very on the left, very on the right, in the middle you have zero, so nothing gets over. So if you say, Oh, I want to get very, very alkaline, you know, so eat whatever bicarbonate or natron, whatever, and and and and and the and and the stomach will say, Okay, I have no uh no stomach acid anymore. Uh it's good or bad. It's it's like you don't understand, you didn't hear the shot. No, no. It's not about that. If you eat something, your stomach has to be very acidic. Why? Because it will kill all the bacteria, all the fungi, all that stuff that might harm you before it goes into your intestine. Okay, so it will be killed. Actually, a dog has approximately a 10-time stronger stomach acid. It means he can nibble on a on a rotten bone and nothing will happen to him. Try it yourself, you will see next day. No, thank you. Better not. So if we we have to go for the understanding, you know, or you have uh um the animals that have extremely acid stomachs. Yeah, maybe need it. So and other parts are uh alkaline, so to to compensate. So after the stomach, then we have the other liquids that compensate it again. And it's it's a it's an up and down process. We have to understand it, not to say it's black or white. It's absolutely wrong. So if you actually, there is no food that is not alkaline, that is alkaline, except omabushi, maybe, uh, or one or two strange stuff. All food is acid itself, so it doesn't have pH 8. No food, no, there's no food with pH 8, it's standard fruits or veggies or whatever. So um we have it's a question of understanding, and the more we understand, the easier it gets. It's like languages. If you speak one language, it's okay. If you speak two, three, four, and if you speak six languages, in the end, the seventh is easier than from the first to the second. So it's like it's like learning how everything interacts, and and this is the beauty of life. The beauty of life is say, hey, I now I know.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Yeah, well, if if I'm trying to create a practical takeaway from that, it's less about focusing, it's not about focusing on alkaline foods as much as it is focusing on the breadth of what you would need to eat to stay healthy and letting your body have control of managing the acid alkaline base. Is that more accurate?

SPEAKER_04 59:50

Absolutely. And actually, it depends on every day. For example, one day you are lazy, your body turns have different fluids than the day you're running and doing stuff. So on the running day, you need this food, and on the lazy day, you need that food, you know. And normally your body asks for it, you know. For example, if you have been doing a hard job or building something in your house in your garden, and you came in, so I I I could eat half a cow now, you know. You you really want energy. And on the other, well, you didn't do a lot, you just were tippling, and you nibble here and you nibble there a little bit, but you're not really hungry, and so your body is the one that always tells you the right thing. Actually, kids know that much better than grown-ups, and we have to relearn to listen to our own body what does he really need, what does he want, what he likes, you know, the body, not your brain, because careful, we have sugar, and sugar is the worst drug of the world. That's extremely addictive, and uh, as a as a white sugar, especially. And uh, so uh all these tarts, all these stuff, and this is one thing in America, too. You know, for example, you have even in the meat, they put sugar. What? Yes, right, and barbecue ribs sugar on and honey on. Uh hey, hey, hey, wait a moment. Think about it. So nature is there for something, it's respect it. And uh, but on the other hand, once we understand that, we we can do so great stuff, you know. So there's fantastic kitchen. I I know people that went in different countries and they get they lost a lot of weight just by changing the country, you know. Uh less poison.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

Yeah. Okay. Well, on that note, so we're talking about the the acid in the body or the acidity state. One of the things that you talk about as a foundational causal factor related to disease is what you call metabolic acidosis. So let's the what is that? And then we can get into what's creating this acidic terrain in the body. You mentioned sugar already, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:02

Yeah, Christine. My problem in the beginning was when I found out the MMS times, you know, 2000, I don't know, 7, 8, 9, 12, whatever. Um, when I found out and said, wait a moment. It's not logic. My best friend he has Minamata syndrome. Uh um it's uh it got healed. So um excess of um mercury. Uh the DHL guy that came had a had an allergy, he couldn't breathe. The lady in the end of the street, she had uh a diabetes leg, get closed. The doctor in the other, he he had uh another problem. So all these different problems that are not linked in standard medicine together have been solved. And so I was sitting there and saying, No.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:51

How is this happening?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

Yeah, it's no way, you know, because I was sitting with my best friend and said, uh, Jose is his name, Jose. It I see it works, but there's no why, you know, because there's no miracle uh uh uh uh substance of that. So then I start to understand to study and to study and to study, and then you see, okay, what is a common denominator? I call it the common denominator of all or most diseases. And you say, uh-huh. And this is metabolic acidosis. What does it mean? That the cell is too acid, it's driving into the acid zone zone so much that it's not centered anymore. And when it drives into acidity, it cannot hold the oxygen, and when it doesn't hold the oxygen, it becomes under stress, oxidative stress. Uh so uh it cannot hold it, and and it becomes a lot of other stress factors that came to the cell, and the cell might die. So the cell don't want to die, so it needs again back to come to the middle, and this is called breathing. So if we breathe, we we alkaline actually much more than any food ever. So Wim Hoff, as we named him, is 100% right. He was by breathing techniques, you increase the oxygen levels, and you will have a much better outcome because you go from these uh metabolic acidosis to the center. Now, what we found out chlorine dioxide or CVS in this case, it does exactly the same. It brings you back to the center of your um, let's say your oxygen levels. Not by oxygen itself, it has, but it's it's it's a complicated mechanism, it's by charges, but increasing the charges so the oxygen can be holed by the RBC, the red blood spells, or erytrocytes, or how professionals name it. And uh so the problem is how can I hold the oxygen? You know, because you remember in the COVID times, many people they lay in the bed, they have uh under the nose the oxygen, 10 liters, and oh, I'm still dying. Can't breathe, can't breathe, can't breathe. Wait a moment, you have so much oxygen. Well, why? The problem is not the oxygen, the problem is that your red blood cells were not able to hold them because they didn't have enough electric charge to hold them. And so when we understand that it is not only an osmotic effect, if we understand that oxygen, by the way, is electromagnetic, has electromagnetic properties, it's it's it's paramagnetic, uh, then we understand that with the higher the charge, the more oxygen is hold. So to increase charge in the body was increased voltage, you know, in a way, not too much, because then it gets burnt. You have to be in the in the best level. And this is what it's about when in our courses, what you've been listening to, uh, when I'm speaking about electromolecular medicine. And it's it's so, it's really a new feeling. Field of medicine. The deeper you go into it, the more I see, hey, hey, nobody, I don't find anything related to it. So that's it's it's a great stuff. So we can help people in the future and we can learn uh interesting stuff too.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

Yeah, that's what's been fun about the course, is that you're right. It I can I like your matrix analogies like, oh, I see the operating system, or I see the ones and zeros passing. And I'm it's a quicker study to say, oh, this person's not moving. This person's eating too much sugar, they're overloaded with toxins, or they have a microbial overgrowth, or there's things that are producing this lower oxygen stagnant state, and it's about reversing those things as much as anything that helps create the body. Am I am I over the target with that assessment? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:48

We we're absolutely right. We have to go for causality, yeah. It's part of the matrix, too. You know, when you were in the other matrix, there was this French guy, and he said, No, no, it's about causality. Yeah, that's true. He did say that. It's you find everything in these films. Uh, and uh so uh causality is actually what is happening here, and it if as long as we don't understand causality in terms of human um health or human behavior or both, we will never be on the right way. So there's always an intention behind what any human does, and this intentionality can be positive, can be negative, can be selfish, can be general, uh, can be many things. But when we know the true causality that is moving the person, you can say, oh, he will be a friend forever, or he will never be a friend anytime.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

Yeah. Well, okay, let me see if I can summarize this so the listeners following us if they're trying to piece it together. So if acidity or acidosis is an environment that creates a cascade of what we call diseases, there's plant A, B, C, D, and insufficient oxygen saturation is what's helping create acidity, then restoring oxygen to our tissues is kind of the fundamental step in reversing the symptoms of poor health. Really? Okay, we're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:10

How about because to restore oxygen you need charge?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Okay, so it's not just as you said.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

Yeah, okay. It's it's uh it's not the lithium of the battery, it's the charge of the battery, you know. So uh, yes, you're right. Okay, we have to restore oxygen, but we cannot just give more oxygen. This is the problem with many people see wrong, actually, even in professional um hospitals. You know, you get the oxygen under the nose, and oh, it's okay. He's dying. Oh, he's dying. Okay. Uh it's not the way, they just don't understand it. It's not about the oxygen, it's it's about the charge you need to be able that the oxygen is holed in the red blood cell and transported to the part where you need it. You know, that's that's that's what we have to understand. So everything is about charges, actually. It's it's it's what I said in the beginning, it's mathematics. In the end, obviously, for a layman, make it simple. You say it's oxygen. Yes, it's oxygen.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

Yeah, but if you're being technical, yeah, you're right. There's a more holistic frame that explains that. And the that's why you I imagine we're showing the voltage of these various, whether it's alcohol or it's high oxygen or hyperbaric oxygen or ozone or hydrogen peroxide, that the voltage they each individually have is part of finding the therapeutic sweet spot. Am I understanding that correctly?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:32

Exactly. For example, you have to uh understand then, if then, if then, if then, like in the programming, you know. So, for example, say, okay, I will make a high dose vitamin C. Okay, it's an antioxidant, we know that, so it has a very low voltage in theory. But you make it so much that uh that there we have a reaction in the body because vitamin C is an acid, it's ascorbic acid, and the body is not so keen on too much acid. You know, so the body makes alarm and says, Oh, I'm I'm getting poisoned, I have to do something. And he makes a reaction that's called the penton reaction. And these phenton reactions, he uses well, copper mainly, and and iron, whatever the metals you have, to compensate these intoxication of an acid called vitamin C. High dose, 10, 20 grams, whatever. The body wants to compensate, and then with this reaction, actually he turns it into a different substance. It's hydrogen peroxide, as you said very correctly, and we had it before on the list. Hydrogen peroxide has 1760 millivolts. It means it's more than oxygen higher. It's in the, let's say, the body limit area. He doesn't like it, he survived it a short time, not too long. Um okay. So in the beginning, you see, okay, I have improvement. Why? Because it's an oxidant. So what happens is if you are ill and you take this high dose vitamin C, in the beginning, yeah, well, the the the the bugs will die off, whatever you have, virus, fungus, or whatever. Yeah, they will die, or it helps you to kill them. Okay. But what's the leftover? So the leftover is now H2O2. H2O2. It's get divided in in the body to H1O1, H1O1, and OH, the one you don't have in chemistry, so it's OH1 and OH. So you have twice 2800 millivolt that is later affecting your cells with the over voltage. And then you can see, oh, the patient's getting better, oh, he's getting worse. So we need more of these vitamin C things are done. It's like a never-ending loop you create. And this is the point that the professionals or most professionals are not understanding at all. If you have nothing, of course, give it at least once. There's no doubt about it. But we have before we use something, as a professional, as a doctor, uh therapist, as a as as a as even as a layman, we have to know what's really going on. What will be the consequence?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

Yeah, well said. I like it. Okay, so on our last interview, we covered a ton of uh different health situations. I want to get practical for the listeners so they really can sink their teeth into thinking about their own scenarios here. So, one topic we didn't cover, uh if you want to go more breadth, go back to our first interview, but one that we didn't cover um after talking about histamines and dissolving of heavy metals and toxins and glyphosate and so on, we didn't get to cancer, which is a maybe one of the biggest killers today. So you described cancer in your book as hyper or in your course as hyper acidity. So describe the relationship between acidosis and cancer, and maybe tell people about the the Warberg or Warburg effect and how those things are connected.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:54

I will try to make it very easy for everybody. So uh the professionals that they may pardon. Uh I beg they pardon. So let's say, for example, you have a cell, and the cell is not getting enough oxygen. What happens? Well, the we have in the cell uh uh organelles, it's called. So it's it's in the cell we have the mitochondria, and they are responsible for making the energy. So the mitochondria, how does it make energy? Well, it burns uh basically sugar and oxygen to energy, ATP, whatever you want to call it. And make it simple. So the the mitochondria needs X amount of sugar and X amount of oxygen, and it's a lot of oxygen, by the way, much more than sugar. Sugar needs very little glucose. Um, and so what happens is when there's no oxygen,

Cancer Framed Through Oxygen Deprivation

SPEAKER_04 1:13:45

the only thing what's left is glucose. What we can do with that. Um so I can't make the 36 uh ATP that's normally done. I only can make four. How? By not by burning something, because with oxygen you burn the calories, you firm make a fermentation process. The fermentation creates a little bit of energy, a little bit of heat. So it makes the fermentation just to survive. And this is a problem. He can make it one, two, three days, or weeks, or months. But if it's over a long period, so you have a chronic lack of oxygen, and the and and the cell will switch over, not to die, uh, just to multiply itself. So it's it's a voltage drops, drops, drops, drops, drops. And when the voltage drops too much, you have a become a cell with no oxygen, and it will become necrotic. And inside it will rotten, it's like a rotten cell, basically, and and will infect the others, like if you have a rotten apple in the middle of beautiful apples, what happened to the other apples, they will rotten too. So that's cancer. So uh kind of simple, simple, most simple phase. And what can you do? A lot of things you can do, for example. First of all, the legal ways. So the legal ways you can do is you can use, for example, either uh, you can everybody is now speaking about ivermectin and and um albendazol, fenbendazol, mebendazole. We do that from I don't know, 10 years ago or more, 13 years ago. Why? Because people say, hey, wait a moment, Kalgo, he's he's an idiot, he hasn't know he what is he speaking about. I know very well I'm speaking about because uh in around I was specialized on parasites as well. And parasites, if you have parasites, you use mabendazole or albendazole. What and how does it kill the parasite in your body? By blocking glucose or the the the sugar channels. So uh-huh. So you have a worm inside, you put the mebendazole, the worm gets no glucose, he dies off because he can't eat anything, he can't digest, killed. And in this moment, what is the cancer? Well, the cancer is only working why. It's it's it's a glucose circle, too. So you you put this stuff and you block the food of the cancer. This is for albendazole, mebendazole, fenbendazole. It's called the benzol, the diamozole. I don't know the English word, sorry. Um, and then you have the other one that is, for example, iverbectin. This is another uh very efficient substance against parasites, yeah, but it works different. So it it it eliminates glutamate. Uh yeah, it's the same stuff you have in your sushi. Uh the glutathione famous glutamate, this is essential. Well, uh, and uh not in sushi, but in many uh uh uh Chinese food, they put the food the the the meat is with glutamate and so on and so forth. And glutamate is essential for cancer to survive too. So it's the next to a survivor. He needs once he needs the oxy, he needs the sugar, the glucose, and he needs the glutamate. So with these two, you go against the cancer, but it's not all. If now you put the chlorine dioxide, the CDS, the the cell gets oxygen again, because this is a real cause of cancer. One thing is that they starve off food, but if they don't get new oxygen, you will be still in a very precarious situation. So if you put these three, and I have an article, it's on Substack, it's called the Three Musketeers. You can look it up. Uh yeah, one, two, three. And it's a very good article, actually. And uh so you have these three musketeers, you know, and they have the chlorine dioxide, they're bringing the energy, the oxygen. So you you get recovered from cancer. So we have hundreds and hundreds of cases, or thousands of cases with recoveries, hundreds of um docum well-documented one and thousands of reported ones. And they say, Hey, uh, my cancer is gone. Yes, of course. It's not something so strange, it's something strange for the industry that because it's a blockbuster, obviously, you know, so industry is very happy. And there was uh a very famous actor on Joe Rogan, what is the name? Um Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson, actually, you know. So and uh the the one the the person that healed the three guys, they made it with uh Ivermactin, Alvendazol, and and some chlorine dioxide, because the this it's a student of our uh of our group, you know, where you are, it's a student of us who did it. And uh and uh people are recovering, people are happy, and yes, it's it's not not like uh we've been told it's it's a death sentence.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:49

Not at all. Yeah, it's well it when you can frame it as an intelligent response by the body, these cells are gonna die, or they can switch energy systems, they can make do and get by, and it's still an intelligent response, but it's a plea for help. Like I I need some other environment if you're gonna keep going here. Is that a fair way to say it?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:07

Exactly, because it is like somebody who's who's who's draining, you know, and he catches you to survive, and you are draining too. You know, this is cancer, you know, like like you say, uh uh he he tries however to survive, and um uh so this is a problem, and you are attached to others, and so the other cells come too. So um cancer is uh is basically a lack of oxygen, a lack uh in the cells. Uh the Warburg effect is a very old stuff, but uh people still believe that we have to burn, to poison, and to mutilate. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:47

Well, since the medical world is, let's just be kind and say, not very good at informed consent. Do it, it falls sometimes to people, I guess, to give people another perspective on what options the medical system will offer. So give your your one or two minute spiel on radiation chemo and the surgeries, or even what PET scans do to the body and the contrasts and the um help people have an awareness of what that set of options is, and that that can help them better compare to what you've been talking about so far.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:18

I will tell you what uh colleague told me in Florida, by the way, when I was in the in in uh I was invited here to the Trump um golf. Um and he told me, Andreas, how much can I bill for one hour?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:34

I don't know, 150 bucks maybe for for now how much can I bill for one hour surgery?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:48

It's the same hour. What I'm interested in.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:53

Yeah, that's a lot right here. You can make that kind of money for an hour. Whether or not it's in the best interest of the person in front of you is a different question.

Incentives, Oncology, And Who Benefits

SPEAKER_02 1:21:07

Who has to sign the death certificate? Yourself.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:10

I imagine you made a mistake, he's dead. Oh, sorry, it was not uh resistant enough. It's a perfect system, you know. It's not speaking about the doctors, we have we have many doctors, especially in the US, I find really great people that are really fighting in for the people, like you, actually. And um it's it's not about that. You cannot, it's it's a big gray zone from very dark to very light. Say the same one. And but but the point is if we go into a system that is self-destructing, in the end, only destruction will be left. And uh the doctors in in former times were the most respected, the most honorific persons in the village, in this in the places where they are, and they're losing their credibility, or they have all, if not, they have lost most of it uh from COVID. We saw that, and and so on. And it's not about credibility, all the new, the youngsters that are now studying and say, Oh, I have my Pfizer uh uh jacket here, no, my Pfizer. Uh wait a moment, think first, you know, think first. And so it's a what we need is to have people educated more with their brain. And and and once you understand cui bono, it's called, who is how do you say it in English? Who benefits? Yeah, exactly, who benefits, and then it world becomes very easy.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:39

Yeah, no, it's important. And you're to your point, yeah, a lot of doctors are just they're just trained in chemo and radiation and surgery.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:45

Yeah, but the system is very Machiavelli, too. You know, it's very, very because you are a young doctor, you come into the then you have okay, you you will you are employee, but 20 hours, 30 hours a day. Possible, I know, but but they try to put it on you that when you come home, you know, uh you just walk three steps and you fall to the bed. And from Monday to Friday to night shifts and whatever, you know, you they crush you so much that you have no place to think, whatever, you know, one after the other, one after the other, one after. And they tell you what to do, you know, because if you are a doctor with a little bit of brain and the patient comes in and says, Oh, yes, we have a little cancer here. Well, we can do this and this, or artemesia or whatever, if you put it in the computer up there, somebody will come after three days and say, Dear colleague, uh, why are you not prescribing the um the uh chemotherapy? You will say, Okay, because I think it's not necessary, are that uh by the way, dear colleague, your your salary is paid by the chemotherapy. That's 156,000 each time. So next time you put it or you are out, you know. They say, hello. They have no chance, you know. It's not that they are the bad guys, no, they have no chance. It's a little bit like like many police guys that have to do things they don't want to do, but but it's their job and they have the conflict in the middle. And that's a very hard conflict because it costs life.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:21

It does, yeah. Well, thanks for putting it in a human frame because at the end of the day, I was talking to G. Edward Griffin. He said we have to recognize doctors are victims just like the rest of us. They've been put into a system and they have to follow that system sometimes at the you know, cost of their own um conscience or the own interest of the patient. So, yeah, just that for what it's worth for those of you listening, that was that having some other window into that industry or the way that the system thinks and what's going to be profitable and may or may not be what's best for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:54

So the solution is take health in your own hands.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:58

Taking health in your own hands, not making experiments. Learn. Use your time to learn something useful. Uh learn how to help because they can take away of you anything. They can take away your car, your kids, your dog, whatever, the house, and whatever you have, your bank account. They cannot take away what you have in your brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Yeah, good point. Okay, well, let's let's transition to maybe just some just um get practical here for people listening. So in your books, you've got dozens of ways to use chlorine dioxide or CDS, so we're obviously can't get to all of them. But maybe what are some of your like the main or most common ways people use this? And then we'll get into some of your maybe the favorite adjunct therapies that go with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:39

It's very easy. You know, basically you have milliliters, so you have on on the standard dose is one liter of water, and you have 10 milliliters inside this one liter of water of the chlorine dioxide C D S solution. That's a 3000 ppm or 0.3%. It's very easy, it's all in the book. And um if you can boil an egg, you can make it even yourself. That's all.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

I can do that, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:08

You can do that, that's a good thing.

Learning First And Staying Practical

SPEAKER_04 1:26:10

You know, yeah, put the water, put it in, close the tap, next day you have it. So um, and this creates an independence, a health independence. The system's not interested in independence, but you are definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:23

Yeah, okay. So pretty simple to make, pretty simple to use. It talk about it. I know some of the main features in the course are figuring out how to use it with enemas or how to use it orally or even topically. Are there any high-level things you'd want to suggest to people as they go do the learning and then they kind of muster some courage to use it? What are the maybe main three or four ways people would engage with that?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:47

Well, start slow. So start slow and make your experience. You know, don't try to be uh the first day, I know everything, or so on. Even if you have 30 years of experience being a doctor, professor, or whatever you have been. It's not, it doesn't work, you know. And the more arrogant you are, the deeper will be the fall. So forget it, you know, because this substance is truth, pure truth to what you do and what you make. And uh so if you start start learning with the basic protocols, start with the learning basic protocols and don't assume that injecting is, for example, better being a doctor. It's not, uh it's good for certain uh stuff like acute um respiratory illness, yes, because it brings oxygen directly, but not for chronic diseases necessarily. So there are many different approaches. And the good thing in the in the book, and I will make a little bit of publicity with your permission. Yes, of course. Uh so in the book, you have everything. So you go if you go from the protocols from A to Z, you how you can see what illnesses you have here. You have um images is all colour. So actually, oops, you can see the the illnesses, the images, how how they are have been treated by other people successfully, burns and so on. So once you understand all that stuff, and it's it's a lot of pages, uh, but it's I hope it's worth.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

And uh hold up for a second, hold up the book because I want to compare I have the first one. Look how much thicker the new one is. What's in the new one that that isn't in here?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:28

Well, actually, we had to reduce it. So the yeah, yeah, it was 1300 pages, and uh the editor said, Whoa my god, you're crazy, and so on and so forth. So, what we did is we made it boil it down to I don't know, eight, eight hundred pages around something like that, and we put a QR code, and this QR code is individual, so each book has its own QR code where you can put your name, and you have then you can read the 1300 pages, so the ones left if you're not if not enough. So it's uh it's good. It's it's let's say because I wanted to make a book that lasts longer, and I realized after the first book that's 10 years ago, that time is always changing, so some new things will come in. So, and with these QR, you have for lifetime all the updates. You know, if there's a new update on whatever, you will find it there. If there's a new interesting thing, you will find it there. So you have the possibility just with the book, you're covered. If you're going to go further, well, you have the institute, you can make your online courses, and um to really go in deep. This is standard one-year online courses, and uh they start now after the summer, the new courses. So it they're around five, six hundred bucks, depending on what type of course you have and want to have. And well, you have it for the whole year, so it's actually not expensive at all. And they are live. You have live, we have the uh hub where you can communicate with all the other students in any language, by the way. That's that's nice too. You write in English.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:07

There are a lot of languages in there, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:09

Yeah, it's a lot, yeah. Actually, we have people from from everywhere, and you see who where the persons are. For example, if you are a student and you say, Oh, my um my my brother is in Honolulu, and I have no one there with CDS. You go in and you go on the map, and you can see, oh, I have somebody in Honolulu. You can write him and say, Hey, can you help my brother? He needs someone, there's no way to get that. So actually, we helped the professor uh I was working with in the university in Bern, she was in Japan, and we really bad ill, and said, I need all that stuff. So she got it uh with this system, and uh, so we can help each other. You know, it's not not about convincing anyone, but let's say it's a higher level when you say, Oh, if you are uh a doctor, right now, for example, chlorine dioxide is being legalized in a new country that is Madagascar as a as a country, and he was a student as well, so uh Jean-Pierre. He was not in your group, he was in the French group, and he was um terminally ill. So he came in too. He is a doctor, by the way. So get healed, and after getting healed, he said, I need this for my country. And he really worked, worked, worked, worked up, and he managed to get chlorine dioxide as a substance legalized medicine in Madagascar for doctors and for hospitals. So if you want to build a hospital now, you can build a hospital in Madagascar and can use that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

Wow. Yeah, that's fun. It's that I've most calls are like 60 or 100 people, and they really are all over the world. So it's a it's a rich environment to learn in. I'm I've enjoyed it. Um, I was asking actually on on your call last week, I was asking about some of the adjunct therapies. And I know some of the more popular ones are uh DMSO and you we even have turpentine in your original book, and then I asked you about silver. So are there you can expand on those three maybe in and ways they help, and then if there's any other ones that you commonly find that are helpful to pair with CDS.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:05

Yeah, perfectly. Silver, for example, we I can tell you the colloidal silver in this. You because they they you asked me if you can mix it. Yes, you can. Because when you speak about coldoidal silver, people think about the silver.

Adjunct Tools And Mixing Cautions

SPEAKER_04 1:32:20

No, it's not, it's silver oxide because it's a chemist chemical process. The the water itself and the oxygen in the water makes that the silver that is electrolytically dissolved in water actually is an oxide. And uh and the silver oxide in itself is not reacting because it's already oxidized with chlorine dioxide. So yes, you can put that together. When it's useful, always no, it's not. I use it usually when you, for example, you have at least food with a fungus that is super resistant. You know, you have a super resistant fungus, and because it's a fungus that is used to oxidative stress or to oxygen and whatever, that's hard to kill and so on. And if you put both, it works perfect. I had it, uh, I have another case with a dog with very bad, the mouse was really in so bad shape, nothing helped, no antibiotics, obviously, nothing of nothing. And uh even the CDS, it improved a bit, but it didn't work 100% till we put it with the silver, and it was uh three weeks later it was gone. The dog's perfect. So there are many ways we have to learn still and to understand how we can use a substance. We are now nearly 20 years with it, but I can tell you it's you can make so much great stuff, but it's not about mixing everything together, you know, because this we have too. You know, we have somewhere in Spain or so somebody is is selling, oh, we have the better CDS with no taste and so on, because we make put vitamin C inside and eucalyptus and these, and well, they put thousand things inside and and and ruin the stuff and set it like a miracle cure, but that's actually snake oil then.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:02

Um yeah, one of the things I like about your course is you have other doctors or professors helping teach how to not be duped or how to see what might be this the intuition to develop a therapy is also fun to be in the room with people thinking about how ultimately I might use this. Are there any other things you want to mention that you typically you found these together often amplify or help each other? I know DMSL is one.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:26

Yeah, for example, if we it usually we don't take it together, you know, we take it with a distance. Anything you can take uh chlorine dioxide with anything is if if we if we have an hour of distance. There's no discussion about it. One hour distance, why? Because chlorine dioxide in the body is one, maybe two hours maximum present because it's decays to salt and oxygen. The oxygen the body takes and and by, you know, you it's it's very very fast. So uh, and if you have to take some medicaments and you don't like some whatever you have to take, well, as in the night you don't drink nothing, so you drink it before you go to bed, you eat the your your pills or whatever you want or have, or must, or should, or should not take it at night, you know, over the night time, and you sleep, you metabolize it, and the next morning you keep on with your chlorine dioxide, CDS, and you will see it will help you. Be careful as well from fake people, you know. There's there's always some, even in Europe, you have some that say, Yeah, there's always some people interested, more money is if you if you ask me what is important, uh, people always ask me, What do you who do you recommend? No one. I recommend that you do it, you know. Yes, learn. And and the and and the answer is very easy. You we have to understand that the uh pharma industry is the biggest industry we can face, so there's no chance. Tomorrow I would have a few million bucks and and I build a fabric and I produce it and I sell it worldwide. How long do you think I will stay there? Not long. Till I get the lawsuits and the other, and they close everything and you lose everything. So nobody will get nothing. And the the people start to say, Oh, we want that stuff, and no, it's closed. But if everybody knows to make it, it is home yard, like tomatoes or potatoes or whatever. No way to shut it down, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:25

Yeah. I like how you think internationally, or you like just being on the course hearing, it's really hard to get it in such and such country, and here's what we're doing, and here's how we find it. And yeah, so I like that admonition. You are your own primary care provider. So take your health into your hands. Absolutely. Learn, and then health just gets simpler and simpler, and you really do start to see the matrix. So um, well, I guess one last question before we wrap up. I remember back to your chart you were showing. In particular, it had bacteria on it. And a common question I get, and I know you do, is what wouldn't this be detrimental to let's say the good bacteria, the microflora that I want in my system? Why would I not need to be concerned about taking chlorine dioxide in relation to the health of the microbiome?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

Excellent question. So, for example, first of all, um the chlorine dioxide, if you drink it, is the diffuse in the stomach immediately in from seven to fifteen minutes. So it doesn't even get to the intestine because it's a gas, you know, like

Microbiome Concerns And The Reset Argument

SPEAKER_04 1:37:25

carbon dioxide gas, you know, it's a gas. And uh so it diffuses by the first law thick and it goes into the bloodstream immediately. It does, it doesn't even reach the intestine, large intestine. But in Dumson, now some people will say, Ah, wait a minute, but you have protocols that say make an enema that will kill the bacteria. And yes, we checked it in the lab. So we made all the bacteria we have, no, not all, but most of them, and actually all of them are killed. And then we sit there and said, uh, wait a moment, but that's not logic, because I make an enema, and a few hours later I go to the toilet, like if nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:07

That doesn't make sense. And you say, What's going on here?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:13

And now we understand because Dr. Ramirez he makes a chemistry courses on and and and and very very recommendable, by the way, they're really good. Uh what's if you produce that stuff, do it. I uh do the chemistry course. And he found it out and he said, Wait a moment, the if you take antibiotics, they can stay till six weeks. You take it today, and you have still residues, it's still six weeks in your intestine, and this is why they harm so much. The point is, when you put chlorine dioxide, you don't kill only the bacteria, like antibiotics. You kill the bacteria, you kill the virus, and you kill the fungus. What's the main difference? If you have an equilibrium, and so you kill only the bacteria, what will happen to the fungus? So it's not about it's about equilibrium here, it's not about good or bad guys in the in the no. It's equilibrium. So you have to take now the probiotics and they fight up here and so on, and all these stuff. Why do they uh why do they point out you have to ask the right question? Why do they point out the microbiomes as so important recently? Because a new business it's a business of selling probiotics. And what's probiotics? It's a few cells, sugar, let them rot, and in the end you get probiotics. Easy game, a lot of money. It's another business scam, you know. So, but anyway, and the more rotten, the more bacteria you have. So what and most of them, if you drink it, in the stomach get killed by the stomach acid, anyway. The point is that you say, Okay, we need an equilibrium here, and there is definitely an equilibrium, but when you take away the fungus and the bacteria and the virus, you make a zero reset. And we have the iliac, you have a valve, you know, in in in in from the small intestine to the big intestine. So it's closed, it cannot, nothing goes through. You make an enema, you clean everything, you put everything to zero, and now the valve opens, and the fresh uh poo, let's say, flows into the big and the large intestine, and there's no residue, nothing, not like uh uh um antibacteria, antibiotics. There's nothing, it's just clean, clean to put. So it it the fresh poo goes in, you have an automatic equilibrium, and you have no disturbance in your equilibrium at all. And by the way, you have the appendix where you have a residue of your bacteria, and this is why you should not take it out. And this residue create, let's say, the the balance, so the the the large intestine knows to do the balance, and uh the microbiome, it it's we have to understand, apart from what I told you, that's the business system, obviously. Uh, and we have to understand the the the most important thing this is it's a dynamic system. What does it mean? I'm here now in Switzerland, I eat my Swiss cheese and whatever, fondue, and I can go to the mountain and say, Oh, yo, yo, I'm very happy.

unknown 1:41:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:38

Now I go back to Mexico where other foundation is, and all say, Oh, Andreas, great, let's eat tacos. And they have the right tacos, and they put the chilaquila and the super hot sauce, and I make tasty steam comes out your brain, and the next day the bangers of Montezuma, it's called, you know, uh uh hits you like a hammer, and you're the next three, four days up the oh my belly. Yeah, why? What happens? It's because you changed from one second to the other your food that the body is balanced on, and you get a totally different microbiome. There's nothing to do, zero zilch, you know. So, yes, you have some of these bacteria and some of these bacteria, but it's a dynamic system. So, speaking about oh, the microbiome, it's just a sales pitch of of probiotics. So come on, don't don't try to fool me. Stupid enough, that's all, you know. By the way, yes, you're right. For example, we need the microbiome, no doubt about it. It makes it work, no doubt about it, but I don't need probiotics. So if it's something is bad, something is causing to be bad, you know. Go for the cause, don't go for uh a cheap healing or a remedy that is kind of so the chlorine dioxide makes a reset zero, it fills new, and immediately the body is in the perfect balance.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:09

Yeah, and it's got the backup system and the appendix to help adjust as needed.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:15

Very, very few in hours. So it's it it is one of these many, many systems we've been taught wrong in in the university in school, you know, like how comes oxygen to your blood, you know, like oh osmotic pressure. Oh come on. But it will be another interview.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:34

Right. Okay, well, we'll we'll wrap up. I'm still I still have the picture of you yodeling at the top of a mountain in my head. But um, okay, well, I I guess maybe one last question, then we'll tell people where to find you. So I'm imagining I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a listener. And so um maybe especially in the in our world today where there's so much ink spilled on the internet to try to scare people away from using chlorine dioxide. So, what would you say to a skeptical or anxious doctor or even lay person who's nervous about experimenting with it?

SPEAKER_04 1:44:03

Okay, so it is legal in Bolivia, so a million people have taken it. We can can go for this in South America and many, many places too. So we estimate it's 13 million users. We have 30 million killed people? No, we don't. We have 30 million pissed-off people, no, we don't. So this is the first evidence for that. And the next one is you can go to websites like DeoxyTube, not YouTube, DeoxyTube with i D I X O I DeoxyTube, like and and and there you find hundreds of uh testimonies of people, whatever you have you have tons of that. And uh there you can, because it's not censored, uh, all our work has been censored on YouTube, on Facebook, on Instagram. It's all censored.

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SPEAKER_04 1:44:55

And uh why it is censored? Good question. So if if you believe the censors, or you can believe uh censored, that's up to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:06

That's a good way to put it, yes. Often when I find something's been centered, I'm like, oh, that's I need to figure out what that is now because that's probably where the truth is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:15

Obviously, if you in the last years did the opposite what they've you've been told from the government.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:21

Yeah, there you go. Okay. Well, um, tell people where they can find you, where that where to look for your courses. I know you've got a new one called Frequency.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:29

You could just go to my website, andreaskalker.com, K-A-L-C-K-E-R. Kalker, you know, Andreaskalker.com, and there you can link and click through you have from the substance to courses or books and whatever you want. And uh I hope you enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:45

Yeah, I'm sure they will. I I'm looking, you've got one frequency is the language of the universe. I'm looking forward to taking that one. That sounds like I have a lot to learn.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:53

What is a really good one I can recommend for everybody who's producing it because more and more people are producing it for the neighbors, for the friends, and so on. So the the chemistry one is a it's a bit harder, let's say, from we start with the master and then we go a little bit higher. Frequency is great, it's a new one. Uh because frequency is very important too. But if if we can do the chemistry, we understand a lot more of the matrix, you know. Depends how much you want to d delve in. Um, but well, everybody can has to look for what he's interested in. Frequency is one of my big things, so I've been uh researching a lot of that in and time, and we made some apparatus for that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:38

And uh but that's yeah, that's that can be its own interview. I remember hearing somebody on the course last week talking about the use of it, and he had like six months of using some of the Azole the antiparasitics, and then as soon as he brought in the frequencies, like boom, here came the payload, just by understanding how to use the machines. So fascinating stuff. So all right. Well, thank you so much for taking the time today. It's been an honor to have you again.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:03

Christian, it's an honor for me to be there. I I wish I would always have such nice, nice time with uh in interviews, but it's great, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:12

Well, thank you very much.