Neal Bosshardt: Clay Does WHAT! - A Powerful Detoxifier, Painkiller, Microbe Muncher, Gut Healer, and Mineral Replenisher

What if a jar of clay could keep you out of the doctor's office by changing how you handle burns, bites, gut upsets, or stubborn wounds? I brought in Neal Bosshardt, who has spent 50 years teaching and using natural bentonite clay, to share a straight‑shooting playbook: when clay shines, when to be cautious, and the exact methods that make the difference.

We start with the fundamentals—why negatively charged, mineral‑rich clays can adsorb toxins, help control microbes, ease pain, and support a healthier pH. From there, we walk through external protocols that deliver outsized results: cooling fresh burns with a moist gel under plastic, drying infection with thick poultices wrapped in breathable fabric, and changing dressings to both draw out waste and keep wounds moist. You’ll hear vivid recoveries: a brown recluse bite turning the corner in days, a pinned ankle spared from amputation, and a deep gash closing cleanly without surgical closure. We also touch on menstrual pain relief, cracked ribs, and tooth flares that responded to targeted poultices.

Detox strategies come next. Clay baths and hot foot soaks help offload what the body wants gone—so effectively that used soak water can harm houseplants, a surprising sign that the process is real. Internal use is intentionally simple: one teaspoon in water, mixed the easy way by letting clay hydrate before stirring. You’ll learn when to drink the clear supernatant versus the full mix, how to approach food poisoning and nausea, and how to avoid self‑inflicted constipation. We also cover how clay may interact with medications like blood thinners and thyroid meds.

This conversation is about practical, affordable care that respects biology. Keep a ready‑to‑use jar of clay in the kitchen. Know the difference between moist and drying applications. Use foot soaks when energy and elimination lag. And if you’re on essential medication, time things wisely. Want Neal’s guide? Grab “We Eat Clay And We Wear It Too.” You can find the video version plus resources and discounts in our show notes. If this helped you rethink your first‑aid kit, follow the show, leave a review, and share this with someone who could use a simple win.

• Neal's Website and YouTube Channel
• Neal's Favorite Clay - Use code HEALINGUNITED for 15% off
• Our Earth, Our Cure - by Raymond Dextreit
• Antimicrobial Applications of Clay
• Clay Minerals and Their Beneficial Effects on Human Health
• Antibacterial Mechanisms of Medicinal Clay

Reverse Any Chronic Health Condition in Three Steps - The Simplest Path to Healing You've Ever Seen

Chapters

• 1:43 Meet Neil Bosshart, The Clay Expert
• 7:46 Why Clay? History, Science, And Safety
• 22:19 External Uses: Burns, Bites, And Wounds
• 39:55 Graphic Recoveries: From Spider Bites To Open Gashes
• 59:07 Pain Relief, Circulation, And Unlikely Saves
• 1:10:03 Hernias, Menstrual Pain, And Clay Poultices
• 1:19:11 Detox Baths And Foot Soaks: What To Expect
• 1:28:51 Internal Uses: How To Mix And Dose

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:52

Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 60. I have a special guest for you today. His name is Neil Bockhart, and it's not every day I get to talk to someone who has worked at perfecting his knowledge and use of one tool for 50 years, but today was that day. There may be no living person who has more practical working knowledge of the medicinal properties of clay than Neil. He is a wizard on the subject and he has helped so many people stay out of the doctor's office. And as you'll hear him talk about, he has also helped educate doctors on how to use clay. I found Neil because some of my clients went to the recent Wise Traditions Conference and told me about what they had learned from him. So I dove into his work and was very impressed. Neil agreed to an interview, and I think you're going to love it. So prior to finding him, I already knew Clay had many documented healing properties, but I didn't have near the working knowledge of its breadth of applications as he does. It is remarkable how many different health conditions clay can help with, and not only help with, but be way more effective than anything so-called conventional medicine has to offer. And boy does Neil have the stories to back it up. He tells some amazing stories in this interview, and I only scratched the surface. It struck me, I guess you could say, again, how simple healing can be. Medicine is complicated, right? In the medical system, they have to figure out how they can interrupt and override your biology with the poison and see how much of it they can give you without killing you or giving you some really unpleasant side effects. Talk about complicated. No thank you. It makes so much more sense to me to work with our biology instead of against it. Nature is easy, it wants to create life and healing. And plants and dirt have been what humanity has used with great effect for millennia. And over the last 115 years, we've slowly traded troves of wisdom about natural healing for the potions of the pharmaceutical or standardized interventionist chemistry model of healthcare. We have this idea that if something isn't expensive or scientific enough, if it doesn't have a chemical explanation, it doesn't work. And if you heard episode number 53, where I interviewed Carrie Rivera about autism, you heard her express that sentiment about chlorine dioxide. She said, it's only$10, it can't possibly be effective. And then she, like so many other people, found out, sure enough, it is effective. And similarly, it's hard to imagine something simpler than clay to assist the body with healing. Now, I will always stand by the notion that there are no silver bullets when it comes to health. There is no one thing that works for everyone all of the time. But like clay and charcoal and DMSO and silver and turpentine and salt and baking soda and garlic and herbs and essential oils and detox paths and enemas, etc. etc., healing can be found with simple remedies and it does not have to be expensive or complicated. Healing involves learning how to use the tools of purification and nourishment and apply some patience. So clay is just another tool pharma would prefer you not know about. So it is my delight to go against their wishes and inform you about another simple tool that can help you take back control of your health. Nature always has the best remedies. So during the interview, you'll hear me read two different lists of symptoms that clay can help with. I read shortened versions of what you can find in Neil's book. One list is about external symptoms, i.e. topical ways to use clay, and the other is about internal symptoms. So how does clay work? Well, for my science-minded listeners, I'll have links to research articles you can check out. But the short version is not only can clay put microbes in check, it actively pulls toxins out of the body, and wait till you hear about that part. Clay acts as a painkiller and it can replenish lost minerals. I didn't even have time for this part of Neil's story, but he used clay to bring his iron levels back up to normal so he could give blood. He said he's never found anything that replenishes iron as well as clay does. Simple, right? Uh also of note, we recorded this interview on video, so if you want to watch Neil and I talk, you can find the video version of this on our website and eventually on social media. But fair warning, while Neil walks through telling various stories of recovery, I do show some fairly graphic images of some gnarly looking wounds. So if you're squeamish, you might stick with the audio version of the interview. We didn't get to it on the recording, but Neil wanted you to know that the clay he uses personally is from a company called Redman's Life. I'll have a link for that and a coupon code for 15% off in the show notes. I'll also have links to where you can find Neil and his work. One of the quotes he has in his introduction to his live presentation is for major medical issues, I have health insurance. For everything else, I have bentonite clay. That's by someone named Jan Eversoll. That sentiment is something I could say about a lot of different remedies I know about and teach. And so, unless we're talking about a catastrophic injury, as long as no one takes away all of my natural remedies, I'll never use an antibiotic or pharmaceutical again. In my opinion, there's just no need. The longer I do this work, the more I am affirmed that nature always has the best answer over the toxic, expensive knockoffs created by pharma. So, with that said, welcome to an inspiring conversation with another beautifully simple remedy that can keep you and your loved ones out of the doctor's office. Enjoy my conversation with the humble and deeply likable Neil Bosshart. All right, hello, everyone. Welcome to today's show. My guest is Mr. Neil Bosshart. So let me tell you a little bit about this amazing man. He was born and raised in Redmond, Utah. He graduated from Snow College and then went to Brigham Young University, where he got a degree in business management. And so in 1974, he returned to Redmond to work in the family business and he worked there until he retired in 2018. And he worked in every aspect of the Redmond life business. He worked in mining to packaging to marketing, and he was involved with all of the products from table salt to livestock salt to de-icing salt, and he helped them expand their markets from strictly the western United States to the entire US and into Canada, New Zealand, and Japan. And his passion is teaching people the medicinal benefits of unrefined salt and natural clay. And even though he's retired, he loves teaching classes about salt and clay because they have helped him keep himself and his family out of emergency rooms and doctor's offices and drugstores so many times. And he kind of now feels like he would be derelict in his duty if he didn't continue to share what he's learned. And to that end, he was recently featured as a speaker at the Wise Traditions Conference in 2025. So Neil and his wife, Marcia, have eight children and 28 grandchildren. Wow. And when he is not teaching classes on natural salt and clay, he enjoys making sauerkraut and composts and working in the garden and spending time with family, which to me sounds like the good life right there, Neil. So thank you so much for coming on the show and for taking the time.

SPEAKER_00: 7:56

It is. And thank you, Christian. And and uh to be totally honest, asking me to talk about natural clay is like asking an old person to talk about their grandchildren.

SPEAKER_01: 8:09

Good. I have a lot of questions, so I can't wait for it. You can talk about this.

SPEAKER_00: 8:13

I I have uh I've been blessed with uh the opportunity, you know, clay clay clay came into our lives 50 years ago and uh certainly was a blessing, and and I'd like to see it be able to help others like it's helped our family.

SPEAKER_01: 8:26

Great. Okay, well, before we get into um just some of the uses of it, how did you become a guru for clay? How did it help you when maybe conventional medicine couldn't? And let's just go from there.

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

Well, that's that's an interesting story. So back in the in the 70s, uh our family had a clay, a benzonite clay deposit, and uh we were selling it for lining ponds, um and uh just for agricultural purposes, lining ponds, you know, cattle feed. But the health food people uh came to us in the early 1970s with a book. Um a book entitled Our Earth Is Our Cure. It was written by a French homeopath, and in this book, Raymond Dextrate, the author, says that certain clays have medicinal properties. Uh now he goes on to say that there's as many kinds of clays as there are breeds of dogs. Some clays have medicinal properties, some don't. Some work better, some don't work as well. And the health food people who brought us this book wanted to know if the clay that we had there on the property uh had medicinal properties. Uh we didn't know. We had never eaten it, never intended to eat it. But these people uh showing us this book said this uh well, French, this uh French homeopath in his book, he said that the right kind of clay would bring the body into balance. It would do one thing for you, but something else for me. Um that it would help diarrhea, constipation, and everything in between. Well, uh, they wanted to buy it and eat it. We said it's not for sale, not if you're gonna eat it. I called the FDA in Denver and I said, there's some crazy idiots over here who want to eat our dirt. What should we be concerned about? And so they gave me a list lead, mercury, arsenic, chromium, beryllium, everything streptococcus, daphylococcus, E. coli. We had it tested for everything. Um and uh the result came back, it's inert. The guy at the FDA said it won't hurt a soul. Uh he also said it won't help a soul, which didn't surprise us. So, with the assurance that it wasn't gonna kill anybody, uh we uh made it available for sale. Uh, and then because it was there on the shelf, uh waiting for somebody to buy it, and very few people did, only those a couple of health food stores. But as it was on the shelf, and as our family encountered medical conditions that conventional medicine couldn't fix, in desperation, we turned to the clay, as directed by Raymond Dextrate. And the first situation, there was a gal she was pregnant due to the iron and the prenatal vitamin, she was so constipated, she was having one bowel movement every week or 10 days. And uh, she tried through diet to get her bowels to work, that didn't help. So, in desperation, uh she and her husband tried the clay, as directed by this book, which is a teaspoon and a glass of water. Well, in three days, her bowels were normal. And so we thought, well, what do you know? Old Dexter got one thing right, give him that. But a few months later, our grandmother's neighbor, we learned, had uh diarrhea so bad it would be down both legs and in her shoes before she could even get out of the church or the store or the post office to go home. So we gave grandma some clay uh for her neighbor, and a week later, that little lady was in uh came to see us, and with tears running down her face, she just thanked me for this product. She hugged me like I was her grandson, and this was you know 50 years ago. So I looked like a grandson. Uh today I look like the grandfather, but uh I said, don't thank me. This isn't our creation. God created this product. We were just blessed to learn about it. And with tears in her eyes, she just said, You don't know, you just don't know how good it is to go out in public again without fear of embarrassment. So, diarrhea, constipation. We thought, wow. So little by little, uh, whenever conventional medicine would fail, in desperation, we would turn to the clay. And it worked uh so well that eventually it became our first aid kit and then our medicine cabinet. And and I'm not a wild-eyed radical. Um, we appreciate doctors for what they can do. But if you got a product that works better than what the doctors have, that's more available, that's certainly cheaper, uh, and most important more effective, why not use it?

SPEAKER_01: 13:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 13:08

So that's how we got into the clay.

SPEAKER_01: 13:11

Right on. Okay. Well, before we get to some of the practical uses of clay and some of the fascinating stories or shocking pictures you sent me, uh, give us some perspective on maybe the historical uses of clay. So your family obviously wasn't the first to figure this out, and so many people have been using it throughout history. So dial us in a little bit on what you've learned over the years about how humans have used clay for a long time.

SPEAKER_00: 13:32

Oh, yeah. Clay has been used medicinally since I'd say the beginning of time. Uh, you know, there's documentation that, you know, Aristotle, uh, Hippocrates, uh, you know, the doctors of antiquity used clay. Uh there's documentation that shows that uh in the in uh the First World War, soldiers on both sides of the conflict were issued clay as part of their rations. And those regiments that uh had clay never were devastated by the the diarrhea uh and the cholera cholera that ravaged other units. And so uh yeah, since the beginning of time and and even currently there's there's uh NASA has done some studies on clay uh that is fascinating. Uh years ago, back in the 1980s, my my parents went to Guatemala as senior missionaries for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And as senior missionaries in Guatemala, they were known as the mission doctors. Uh any new missionaries, any people struggling with the, you know, the getting climatized to the food and the water and the parasites and that's uh they encountered there in Guatemala, uh, they would bring those sick missionaries to my parents who would give them a glass or two of clay water, and that was it. So it resolved those those issues uh so well that, like I say, they became known as the mission doctors.

unknown: 15:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 15:43

Okay. Well, I've even heard Marco Polo and um Egyptians and Native Americans and others, even Gandhi's recommended it. There's so many different types of clay, and really before we had magic potions of pharmaceuticals today, we had earth and we had plant medicinals, and and that was medicine, and sure enough they figured out how to use it. So um you mentioned earlier that there's as many types of clay as there are breeds of dark. So um my understanding is the type of that you use is called bentonite clay, is that correct?

SPEAKER_00: 16:12

Yes, it is, but even then, uh, and that's that's the reason why you know no one has done enough research to totally document uh all the advantages of clay. And in fact, uh, well, Dextrate, uh Raymond Dextrate in his book, he said that uh mankind was not smart enough to ever determine how clay, natural clay, can do what it does. Uh he said uh for those people who won't use it till they have the science, they'll never use it because mankind is not smart enough. Now, there are uh a lot of tests on the clay, but the the problem with the clay, again, is and and geologists will tell you this uh clay is one of the hardest substances to classify and quantify because there are so many differences. Um, a lot of people say, well, hey, my garden's clay. Can I just go out and eat my garden dirt? No. Uh the clay that we have, or the clay that I that I've used for 50 years, it uh yes, it is a bentonite clay. Its source is volcanic ash. The geologists say that this bentonite was volcanic ash that fell in seawater. And they say that when volcanic ash falls in seawater, it acquires different properties than when it falls than when it falls in freshwater or falls out on the land. Uh so you might say that you know, clay is a is a huge family uh of soils that have different properties. Well, in the clay family, you have bentonite, uh, which has certain properties, and then you also have montmarillinite. Now, those two items are basically the same. When they found a substance that had these properties in Montmoril, France, they called it Montmorillonite. When they found a similar substance, uh geological deposit in Fort Benton, Wyoming, they called it bentonite. But in the bentonite family, so bentonite and montmarillonite are pretty often pretty the words are used interchangeably, but in the bentonite family, you have sodium bentonites and calcium bentonites, you have high swelling bentonites, low-swelling bentonites, and so there's so many different variations that that's why it's so impossible to say, well, you know, okay, this is bentonite, it'll do this and this and this. Well, it depends on what type of bentonite it is, and again, the variations are so minor and yet maybe significant, and that's why nobody is willing or able to spend the millions of dollars to identify exactly the properties that that make it work. So Dextrait in his book he said find a clay, uh, and he said, you know, and and it's the bentonites and montmarillonites that are more effective as far as medicinal. But he said, find a find a clay that works. If it doesn't work, find another clay. If it does work, be grateful and use it.

SPEAKER_01: 19:20

Got it. Okay. Are there any types of clay that you would say definitely don't use that? And you mentioned don't dig up clay in your backyard and ingest that. But like, is there any other parameter you put around narrowing in on the type of clay people would uh most benefit from?

SPEAKER_00: 19:33

Yeah, you definitely want a bentonite or montmarillanite.

SPEAKER_01: 19:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 19:38

Uh, and you want to make sure that it's not contaminated, you know, with other you know, substances. If if that bentonite came near uh uh a mine, you know, a lead and zinc mine, uh where there you know could be you know contamination. Uh yeah, you know, you want to make sure it's safe. So it's it's best to have it analyzed, make sure that it doesn't have any of the harmful uh things that you know, the the lead, the mercury, and depending on where it came from, it it could have some of that. But you want a high quality bentonite or montmarillanite.

SPEAKER_01: 20:12

Okay, that's a good summary and some good guidance around if you're gonna experiment, have a little testing done before to make sure something you don't want isn't in there.

SPEAKER_00: 20:21

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 20:21

Okay, got it. Well, let's get a little bit more just into you mentioned it's hard for man to even know what's what clay is doing for us, but as best we can. So your you told a story of your dad going as a missionary and then realizing some of the medicinal potential clay had, and then he ended up coming back and funding a study to use clay for dysentery. So tell people about what that study found and but was got that kind of the beginning of the way you've been using it.

SPEAKER_00: 20:48

You bet. So when my father came home from Guatemala, uh he went to a major university because he wanted to be able to go back to Guatemala with the clay to help those people. Uh the leading cause of death in infants in Guatemala under the age of five is dysentery. If if children can live until the age of five, they've developed the immunity uh that they need to go on, usually to adulthood. But so many infants die uh just as young children before they develop that immunity. So he went to a major university, gave them a chunk of money to do a study on on the clay as an antidiarrheal. And it was the best antidiar that this researcher had ever seen. He was blown away. And why he said it worked so well is the clay had the ability of absorbing the toxins that the bacteria that were causing the diarrhea were emitting. Uh, they tested it with cholerotoxin, an aflatoxin, and he said that that uh bacteria put out a toxin that creates an environment to where then that bacteria can thrive and it keeps the body's beneficial bacteria away. So it creates a protected turf for that strain of bacteria. Well, because the clay was effective in absorbing 95% of the toxins that the bacteria were emitting, then that bacteria couldn't proliferate, it couldn't like normal. And so then the body's natural defenses came in and and and took over, and health resulted. So they did that study. Uh it was uh in a lab uh in vitro, and so then the plan was to take it to do another study uh with rats, uh animals, but uh without the drug money of a drug company, um the family didn't have the funds to fund that uh in vivo study, and so it ended there. Uh one of the researchers, uh the uh one of the the people who were part of that research, he is now a medical doctor, uh full-blown uh medical doctor. And last year we were talking about this study, and and he he said it was just he said it's so sad. Um to he said when he was in college and doing that study, he learned the effectiveness of natural bentonite clay as an antidiarrheal, and he he saw its potential, uh, but now as a medical doctor, he sees the problem that uh to take that product and bring it to mainstream medicine, he says, uh now I understand that the costs are just so prohibitive for a natural substance that can never be patented.

SPEAKER_01: 23:53

Yeah, I think I have that quote from your book. Is it the same guy that said, I heard the quote here is how much research on an ulcer medication can a company do for$8 per patient versus$2,190 per patient? There's no economic future in trying to promote that. Is that the same guy?

SPEAKER_00: 24:10

Yeah, that was my no, that was a different guy. He wasn't a doctor, but the story you're telling there is a co-worker, um, one of my co-workers heard these people talking about how much the clay helped for ulcers, and and her husband had been on uh medicine for three years, had been taking a medicine for three years, uh, costing him two dollars a day uh for three years, and and he's they figured he'd be on that medicine the rest of his life. And so his wife uh took him home a bottle of clay, cost her ten bucks. And uh three weeks, well, uh within just uh a very short time, I began hearing her tell people of what it had done for her husband's ulcers. And uh six months later, I ran into him, uh bumped into him at the post office, and I said, Hey, I've heard your wife's story uh on your ulcer. I'd like to hear it first person from you. And he said, Neil, that clay did more in three weeks than the medicine had done in three years. Uh and I said, So do you still take the clay? And he said, No, I don't have to. Unless I'm gonna eat something that really tears up my stomach, then I'll take the clay and I have no problem.

SPEAKER_01: 25:26

Wow. Okay. Well, let me I'm gonna put a disclaimer in here just so we have this on record. So there's nothing that about clay that has been blessed by the FDA for with an approval for anything related to hell. So I would say follow the money. But remember, nothing in this show is intended to be personal health advice. And if you experiment with anything we talk about, you're you're doing so at your own risk. But before we leave the um properties of clay or how it may be helping, you also mentioned in one of your videos that you talked about clay having a particular negative charge, and top most toxins have a positive charge. So talk a little bit about that potential as well.

SPEAKER_00: 26:01

Yeah, Christian, I appreciate bringing that up because even though this French Homer said man will never uh never be smart enough to determine all the reasons why clay works, there are some reasons. Uh basically, uh probably the most important that the clay has a negative electronic charge. And most free radicals, heavy metals, toxins, and poisons have a positive charge. So just because you know opposites attract, the clay with its negative charge can pull out toxins, poisons, heavy metals, free radicals, uh, and detoxify. So that's one of the reasons that the clay helps. Another is the clay is very alkaline. Um and most of us are too acidic and and can't, well, a lot of diseases like to live in an acidic environment. Uh the clay being very alkaline helps us be uh you know more alkaline. Another reason is the clay has some 70 trace minerals, and most of us, because of the you know diets we have our environments today, most of us don't really get as many uh beneficial minerals as you know our ancestors did. So with the complex variety of minerals, with the high alkalinity level, and with the ability, well, the negative charge which ha has the ability of of absorbing toxins, those are three reasons why it makes sense that the clay has these properties.

SPEAKER_01: 27:32

Well, and why it can influence such a breadth of different types of health situations, too.

SPEAKER_00: 27:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So and it's and it's interesting. Like I say, from diarrhea to constipation, uh that one surprised me. How can it bring the body into balance? Uh I don't know, but it does.

SPEAKER_01: 27:51

Yeah, right. Okay, well, let me on this disclaimer or this science-y part of it, have you ever in your 50 years of using clay, have you ever seen a negative side effect other than maybe taking too much and getting constipated?

SPEAKER_00: 28:04

Never. We've never seen an allergic reaction, we've never seen uh a negative side effect. Um the worst thing that we've ever seen happen is nothing. Now terrible now now people are different, and so like you say, this certainly isn't a a guarantee. Uh and uh yeah, and I don't sell clay. Uh I don't sell sometimes. People say, Well, I want to buy some clay. I say, fine, go find somebody who sells it. If if I sell clay and I tie it to a specific product, that's making a drug claim. That's that's practicing medicine without a license. And uh so I don't sell clay. I educate. I I educate, you know, I sell a book that talks about clay, but uh people have to go out and find their own.

SPEAKER_01: 28:55

All right. Well, there we go. Okay, so let's talk uses then. There's two main ways to use clay. There's externally and internally, so we'll I guess we'll take them in that order. But externally, uh, I'll give the listeners a short list of some of the health situations that you've seen improved with clay, and then I'd say dramatically improved, and then we'll we'll tell some stories, look at some pictures, and um, some of which are kind of shocking, and then uh just talk about how people might be able to use it. So here is a list for the listener or the viewer of some of the things that the can where clay can assist the body with healing. So we've got burns, spider bites, scrapes, cuts, and open wounds, including major lacerations, and wait till you see some of those pictures. Uh removing splinters.

SPEAKER_00: 29:40

I hope you give a warning before you put up that one.

SPEAKER_01: 29:42

Yeah, if you if uh if you're squeamish, you may not want to see some of these pictures. So um other things that can help with are removing splinters, glass, rocks, and plastics out from under the skin, hernia's, which that was a surprising one to me, uh diaper rashes, eczema, shingles, and pain and swelling, tooth decay, tooth infections, or canker sores, cracked ribs, bruises, earaches, and swollen glands, uh the healing of new or fresh scars, acne, athlete's foot, gout, and ingrown toenails, and that's not the entire list. So um let's just go through some of the things that you've seen heal externally. So give us some stories. Maybe tell us the one about the little girl who burned her hand on a stove.

SPEAKER_00: 30:22

Oh, yeah, and this one's close to my heart because you know, if if an adult you know gets burned, you know, adults can deal with burns better than children. Uh my heart cries for in children who get burned. So many years ago, uh a friend, uh, her four-year-old daughter wanted to help her uh mother cook dinner. And of course, mom was busy saying, uh, you know, not tonight, I'm busy. Well, mom turns off the stove and takes the pan and heads for the kitchen table, but out of the corner of her eyes, she saw her little four-year-old pushing a stool over toward the stove. Well, she knew what was going to happen, and so she quickly sat down the pan, was running back, got back there, but not in time. The little girl trying to uh pull herself up onto this stool, put her hand on the hot plate to pull herself up onto the stool. Her mother got there in time to pull her hand back, but not in time, and every ring of the hot plate less the blifter line across the fingers and the palm, but on the heel of the hand where the little girl had put the most weight, the flesh came off and was stuck on her smooth top range. Luckily, this lady had clay. So she takes her little girl, steps to the sink, and runs water on it. Now, on a burn, you always want to run water on it first. To get the heat out. But after running water on it for a few minutes, they buried that little girl's hand in the clay mud. Now, now to use the clay, and maybe we'll talk about this later. Uh at some point, Kristen, we need to talk to you know how you use the clay.

SPEAKER_01: 31:45

Right. We'll get to the burn for later.

SPEAKER_00: 31:47

Yeah, it should be about like mayonnaise or mustard, a gel. So she just buried this little girl's hand in that gel, uh, the clay gel, and then she sat down in a rocking chair with this little girl who's just screaming her lungs out. Her little girl was asleep in her arms within 15 minutes. Not just had quit crying, was asleep. So she got up and took a bread sack and slipped a bread sack or plastic bag over the hand and up the arms so that it couldn't dry out, couldn't get wiped off. Because on a burn, you don't want the clay to dry. You want it to stay moist, and a plastic bag does that. So she put a plastic bag over the hand, went and laid her in her bed, wondering if they should call the doctor, if she she should go to the ER, and her husband said, Hey, you know, she's asleep. You never wake a sleeping baby. Uh let's just wait till she wakes up. Well, that little four-year-old girl never woke up all night, slept through the night, in spite of the fact that after she was in bed, her mother took a spatula out there, scraped her flesh off from the stove, and threw it in the garbage can. The next morning, the little girl comes to her mother, uh, not in tears or in pain, just asking her mother, Well, can we take this bag off my hand? She was oblivious as to what had even happened. And her mother said, No, you have to leave that on there today. After breakfast, she saw her little girl riding her bike with both hands on the handlebars. That night, 24 hours after the accident, the mother couldn't stand it. She said, I had to see the hand. Took her in the bathroom, took the bag off, washed the hand, and never did another thing to it. And I saw that hand two days later. And I'd heard the story. And when I saw this little four-year-old coming up the sidewalk, I said, Hey, let me see this hand. She sticks her little hand out, no blisters, no lines, nothing on the finger of her palm, but on the heel of the hand where the flesh had come off, there was a line of pink skin. No scab, no scar, just pink skin. Now, that's uh that was a little four-year-old girl who who was burned. My neighbor, uh, well, and this is in a picture. Uh, should we wait?

SPEAKER_01: 33:49

I can I can bring him up if you want me to. We can talk about that because you've got you've got spider bites and burns and all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 33:54

Yeah, well, let's f let's follow follow your schedule, and they'll just Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 33:58

Well, let's let's go there because the next one I wanted you to tell is just kind of the idea of venoms or in this case, uh brown recluse spider bites. You have experience helping people recover from those. There was one story you told about somebody who the doctor said, well, that couldn't have been a spider bite because it they don't heal that fast. So tell that story, and then we'll bring up some pictures.

SPEAKER_00: 34:18

So okay, and then and I don't have a picture of that uh that brown recluse bite. I've got pictures of of another, but not that one. But yeah, it was uh my friend, uh her neighbor had been bitten on the arm by uh a brown recluse. And when my neighbor saw uh, or when my friend saw the neighbor's arm, she said there was uh most of the arm looked like it had suffered a third-degree burn. But in the center of the arm, there was a circle of fresh, about a three-inch diameter crater, she called it, of uh flesh, and it looked like uh hamburger, raw hamburger from the grocery store. And she said, Oh, it looks like that would hurt. And he said, You don't know what pain is. He said, They've been having me keep it covered for two weeks and it's not getting any better. So now they're having me leave it uncovered to see if it will get better. So she told him about the clay. So they put a big uh layer of clay, half-inch thick layer of the clay gel on there, and then they wrapped it with an ace bandage. Because on a wound or an infection, you want it to dry, because as it dries, it will it will suck, it will draw. Uh and so they covered it with an ace bandage, and she said his pain level went from a 10 to a 2 within 20 minutes. And then twice a day he would take off the ace bandage, stick his arm under the faucet of the kitchen sink, and wash off the clay. And it and uh any clay that washed off, washed off any clay that stuck down inside that crater in that hamburger type flesh. He just left and put on new clay and ace bandage. So he changed it twice a day for a week, and and one week later it was 90% healed. And he went back to the doctor, uh thinking the doctor would be excited and want to know what he did. And he showed the doctor, and the doctor looked at it and said, Well, now we know it wasn't a brown recluse. And this guy, he said, I just about decked him. He said, I wanted to punch his lights out. He said, Doc, what do you mean? You've been treating the thing for two weeks as a brown recluse. The doctor just shook his shook his head and said, Brown recluse bites can't heal like that. It must not have been a brown recluse.

SPEAKER_01: 36:25

Right. Rather than change his paradigm, it he had to just no, well, somehow we missed it the first time. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Okay, well, let me pull up the picture you have because you got a a spider bite on someone's toe that you sent me. That was a fascinating picture. So I'll let you kind of talk us through here. So this is kind of the timeline.

SPEAKER_00: 36:44

Okay, so so this is a lady who was bitten on the toe by a brown lacluse spider. Uh there uh she was treated by a doctor, uh, but the doctor really had never had any experience treating uh brown lacuse bites. Uh, on the the right hand picture, there's a blue ink dot on the foot showing how far the infection had traveled up the foot at that point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 37:07

Uh let's go to another. For the for the listener, you've got maybe the size of a dime circle, and then it's growing, it's more like a size of a quarter. And so we're just kind of progressing through how this healed.

SPEAKER_00: 37:19

And and uh you can see that the bite originally was only on one toe, yeah, but the infection is it moved not only up the the leg, uh it also moved into the adjoining toes. Yeah, and so at this point, this lady, uh all the toes, three of those toes, looked really bad. And at this point, she was on full bed rest with her foot elevated, trying to drive the poison into the rest of her body. Uh they were hoping that if the poison dissipated through the rest of her body, that it wouldn't she wouldn't lose one or more of those toes.

SPEAKER_01: 37:53

And this is all before starting clay. So she's got one bite on one toe to spread to three, and then we're 11 days in.

SPEAKER_00: 37:59

Yes, 11 days, and and at this point, like I say, she's excruciating pain, full bed rest, out of work. And so her neighbor shows up with a bottle of clay gel, mud, and and says he'd like to pack her foot in it. And initially, she was gonna say, No way on earth is mud gonna touch this wound. But because she had no quality of life, because she was in pain and out of work, uh, in full bedress, she thought, I'm I'm gonna try it. And so he she let him pack her foot in the clay, and then they they wrapped it with uh fabric and then a big sock to hold it in place. She said within 15 minutes, she felt something exciting going on inside her foot. And Christian, I've never had anything exciting going in on inside my foot, so I don't know what she meant by that, but that, but that was her words. Something exciting began to happen in her foot. My guess is it was it was the increased circulation was was beginning to you know carry that infection away. And uh so they just they changed it, changed it twice a day, and uh within uh a few days, well, within a day, it looked better, and every day it looked better, and and uh it totally healed, and she still has all five toes on that foot. She says thanks to the clay.

SPEAKER_01: 39:27

Yeah, we're at 25 days, and then we go to four months later, and you can barely tell anything ever happened, and there's a little discoloration, but it's like a whole new foot. I can imagine how bad that was. So you've got some other pictures in here, and some like like we said, they're they may be hard to look at. So if you're watching this, you may want to um look away or or fast forward. But this is one I thought was fascinating a broken ankle with infected pins. So tell people this story.

SPEAKER_00: 39:52

And and and this picture, you know, certainly isn't bad. So if you uh turned away, you can come back and look at this. So this lady broke her ankle and uh they had to pin the ankle, which is fine. Uh, but then those pins got infected. And so she was in and out of the wound clinic uh twice a week for four months.

SPEAKER_02: 40:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 40:13

And all during those four months, her sister-in-law, who had had some amazing experiences with clay healing other wounds, was begging her to pack it in clay. And again, it's so counterintuitive to put mud on an open wound. And and yes, Christian, we we don't want people putting just any mud on an open wound, but when that mud is, you know, a high-quality bentonite clay, uh, she just said, no way on earth is mud gonna touch this wound. But but after four months, the wound clinic began to talk to her about amputations to prepare her mentally to become an amputee because the infection had gone from the pins into the bone. And so they said, you know, uh, we're likely gonna have to remove your foot to save your life. Uh and uh when they started talking amputations, this lady called her sister-in-law and said, Hey, I'm more open-minded today. I'd like to hear about that clay again.

SPEAKER_02: 41:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 41:12

Well, they packed it in clay, and within a week it went from an ugly, dark, ugly wound to a very minor uh kind of a wound. And then three weeks later to even less. And her last email to me said, Thanks to the clay, I still have a foot.

unknown: 41:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 41:30

So another great story there. So here's some where we may get to some of the more difficult ones to look at. So um, but this is a major open wound gash, like laceration type of thing. So um talk us through this one if and if you're if you squeeze, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 41:45

Close your eyes if you're squeamy.

SPEAKER_01: 41:47

Yeah. So go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 41:49

So uh it's interesting, and I I feel like the Lord's hand is is in this product. Uh, there's so many people who, in desperation, uh have been inspired to use or or look for clay. Uh we could we could spend our whole time just on that, on yeah, how uh inspiration has come. But this fellow, uh, he was in a class I taught in Pennsylvania on the the uh medicinal uses of natural clay. And uh in the class, I told him what I'll probably tell you folks today, and that is everybody should have a quart bottle of the gel clay mixed up, ready to use in their kitchens in case there's an accident, so that you don't have to uh prepare the clay, uh, you don't have to mix it up as a as a gel after the accident. Well, a month later, uh this fellow uh remembered the the class and remembered hearing that I had said you really ought to have a bottle of clay gel in your kitchen. So he mixed one up. And one week later, one week later, he caught his leg between two pieces of equipment and ripped ripped a hole in his leg.

SPEAKER_02: 42:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 43:00

That uh he he just when he called me on the phone, he said, I've got a four-inch cut on my leg. Of course, thinking of it.

SPEAKER_01: 43:07

That's a minor way to describe that.

SPEAKER_00: 43:09

Yeah, yeah. He said, a four-inch cut. Uh I I pictured you know what a butcher knife would do. And so my first words were, well, has it cut any tendons or ligaments? And he said, No, I think it's just in the soft muscle. Uh he didn't bother to tell me that it was three inches wide and two inches deep. Uh his aunt told me later that you could have put a small lemon down inside the hole this created. But anyway, because of the class he'd been to a month before, he had this bottle of clay gel that he had mixed up just a week before. And so he packed his leg in that gel. He filled the hole with the gel, the surrounding areas with the the gel, a good thick layer, and then he wrapped it with vet wrap, which is like an ace bandage. And then uh he changed it twice a day. Uh and uh this picture's yeah, so there was a picture there, you know, day 10. Yep, so that's day 10 after the accident.

SPEAKER_02: 44:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 44:10

Uh the first picture was day three, and this is this is 17. So this is like two weeks after and significantly smaller. For the first two weeks, he changed it twice a day. And and as he would take off the vent wrap, the ace bandage, the clay would kind of just lift away from the wound like a patio of play-doh. And if it didn't all lift out of the hole, he would just take his finger and just kind of flip it out, rinse the hole with saline solution, and then pack it in clay again. So he changed it twice a day for the first two or three weeks, and then once a day from thereafter. And uh it healed the within a month, he was back to work. Uh, and within two months, uh it was basically healed down to the size of of my uh finger. And this is three, that's two months, and then one year later, yeah, it's a scar.

SPEAKER_01: 45:04

Just looks like a scar. It's like like I don't know, maybe an inch or more of a scar.

SPEAKER_00: 45:10

One thing that Christian, one thing that's interesting, I I was uh I helped uh I helped an organization to uh provide uh medical care in uh in Pakistan. And uh we had donated them some money because they're very efficient. Um you have to be careful anytime you start donating money to an organization, the first question is how much reaches the people and how much is wasted in overhead or some you know CEO's retirement fund. But this company uh uh is very efficient, uh, and so we had been giving them some money. But I realized that how I could really help them is to tell them about the clay. And because this organization is funded by a group of doctors, they let me do a presentation to uh some members of their board. And now we're talking medical doctors. I didn't want to appear as a wild-eyed radical, so I said now I showed them these pictures of all the pictures, and then I said, now if this had been me, I would have gone to the hospital. Uh but look what this guy did with nothing, nothing but clay. And this this doctor uh looked at me and he said, Neil, going to the hospital would have been a big mistake. He said, This healed better the way with clay than going to the hospital. If he had gone to the hospital, they would have pulled that flap of skin back up out of that hole and they would have sewn it back where it came from and creating a warm, dark, moist cavity. He said, This man would have fought infection like no other. He said there's two keys to healing a wound one is prevent infection, the other is keep it moist.

SPEAKER_01: 46:54

You did both.

SPEAKER_00: 46:56

He said the clay does both. The clay prevents infection because every time you change it, the twice which is like say twice a day for this fellow for the first two weeks, three weeks. Every time you change it, the infection is drawn away. Yeah. And the fact that the clay has this negative charge, yeah, it's it's absorbing the infection and the toxins. And he said the other key to healer wound is to keep it moist. He said the clay did that. The clay prevented infection, kept it moist. He said this healed better than if he had gone to the hospital.

unknown: 47:27

Dang.

SPEAKER_01: 47:28

I believe it. And that's just a testament to an open-minded doctor who can't argue with a result like that. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 47:34

Yeah. But again, you know, we don't want to put anybody's life in danger. So, you know, people are different, situations are different. This man had the knowledge and ability to take care of it with clay. Um, we don't want, I don't want anybody putting their health at risk. Um so if in doubt, if you're more comfortable seeing a doctor, do it.

SPEAKER_01: 47:55

Yeah. Okay. Good protection. Good advice there. Yep. Okay. Well, another one you had there was a story that was fascinating. We don't have a picture for was your wife's sewing accident. So tell people that one.

SPEAKER_00: 48:06

And again, Christian, I feel so bad. You know, I mean, there's so many stories I wish that we had pictures for, but back in the day we didn't think about pictures. We just said, hey, grab the clay. Yeah. So the story, not gonna, my wife is a seamstress. Um, she sews beautifully, and she was sewing costumes for our local middle school one night, and uh, she was sewing this uh pom-poms on this white uh fabric for uh a school plate. And uh she had just gotten a new sewing machine. Uh, and this new sewing machine was a lot faster than her old one. So as she's flipping pom-poms out of the way as they approached the needle, she flipped a pom-pom just right to be wrong, and her needle, her finger went under the needle of the sewing machine. I I was in the kitchen, I heard her yelp. I went to the sewing room, and and there she was sitting at the table, she had her finger in her mouth so she wouldn't bleed on this white fabric. I knew what had happened because there on the sewing table, I saw two pieces of the needle. When the needle hit the bone, hit her finger, it broke, shattered the needle. And of course, as it did, you know, she jerked her finger, you know, back and she took her finger out of her mouth, and there was this big inch-long, ragged red uh line. Blood began to come out, and she said, Give me the clay, and immediately stuck her finger back in her mouth. Well, I went to our jar of clay. I went to the kitchen where we have this quart mason jar of the clay gel that lives there 24-7, 365 days a year, has since 1975. And I uh grabbed a sandwich bag and a plastic spoon, and I took a big spoonful of that gel out of the quart jar, put it in the corner of the Ziploc sandwich bag. And then I went into the sewing room, and my wife went from her mouth right into that the corner of that sandwich bag. And we nestled it in that big uh tablespoon gob of clay. We put a loose twisty tie above her finger to hold it in place, and then she went back to sewing because these were costumes that had to be ready for the morning dress rehearsal. Well, I'm in the kitchen 20 minutes later making a phone call, and she came in to get a drink of water, and as she picks up the glass, has it under the faucet, she's feeling her glass. I said, Honey, how's your finger? And just as nonchalantly as can be, she says, It doesn't hurt. I didn't believe her. I donate blood four or five times a year, and that pricked finger that will sting for an hour. Her finger was ripped open. And so when she said it doesn't hurt, I thought, you are being macho. You're just and I said, Honey, do you mean it doesn't hurt, or do you mean it's not excruciating? And she held up her finger and she said, Neil, I feel no pain whatsoever in that finger.

SPEAKER_02: 50:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 50:57

And uh so she got her drink, she went back to sewing, she finished the costumes, she went to bed that night with this sandwich bag of clay over her finger, slept through the night, pain-free. The next day, she didn't want to go to the school for the with it to this dress rehearsal with that on her finger. So she took that bag off, she put a daub of clay on her finger that a band-aid would cover. She wasn't out of the house, she wasn't out of the car, she wasn't in the car three minutes. And her finger began to throb and to pound. And she said she stood over there in the dress rehearsal with her hand just as high as she could hold it. And the teacher would keep saying, Marcia, do you have a question? And she would say, No, no, keep going. As soon as they didn't meet her, she zipped right home, buried her finger in the clay gel, and again, no pain, and she kept it there for the next 24 hours and and it was gone. So that that's a story for all the the women who are watching this. But I don't want to tell the guys a story. Here's your man's story. Uh, and again, no picture, because we didn't do pictures in those days. But one night I was helping the house across the street from us with a broken uh PV, uh broken sewer pipe. And I learned that night that a broken PVC can be as sharp as a ceramic knife.

SPEAKER_02: 52:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 52:19

And and I learned that when this broken sewer pipe sliced my finger and and uh it just it cut the skin and it just laid this the skin back. It didn't cut it off, it just sliced it, laid it open. And and I'm a Boy Scout, I know how to take care of bleeding. I pushed that flaps of skin back in place, and with direct pressure, I had the bleeding stopped probably within three or four, five minutes. But then I thought of the raw sewage that had come out of that pipe, and I thought maybe I should do more than just stop the bleeding. So I went across the street to my house, got a big tablespoon of the clay gel, put it in a corner of a Ziploc sandwich bag, just like I'd done for my wife, buried my finger in it, loose twisty tie above the knuckle, and went back. I wasn't, by the time I got across the street to help, there was no pain coming from that finger. And uh, and I kept it in the clay. I changed it twice a day, but I kept it in the clay for probably 36, maybe 48 hours. Uh never hurt again, and uh I can't even I there's no scar. I can't find a scar.

SPEAKER_01: 53:28

Wow. We somehow we have to add painkiller to this list of things that it does too, because I don't know how it does that, but that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00: 53:34

Hey, let me tell you this one. So just uh three months ago, a lady uh who well, now she's a friend. I didn't know her at the time, she cut her thumb off with a pruning share, an electric, an electric pruning share. And they took her and her thumb to the hospital in separate vehicles. Uh in the hospital, they sold it back on, and in the hospital they used medical leeches to restore or help the circulation.

SPEAKER_01: 54:00

No, they still used that.

SPEAKER_00: 54:01

Was that no?

SPEAKER_01: 54:02

They still used leeches.

SPEAKER_00: 54:04

Oh, yes, yes, they use medical leeches, uh, and they're effective. They're very, very good. Uh one of the better ideas, maybe the doctors have have not abandoned, yeah. Yeah, but anyway, so in the hospital, they used medical leeches, but after three or four days in the hospital, they sent her home to recover. On the way home, she learned about clay and packed, went to pack it in clay. She said with the and then wrapped it with a handker with uh fabric uh cloth so that it could dry from the mayonnaise consistency when she put it on to play-doh consistency, which is you know, eight or ten hours later. She said with the clay on there, she could feel the circulation pulsing just like when they had medical leeches on there. And uh, amazing story. Yeah, it it healed phenomenally well.

SPEAKER_01: 54:57

Man, okay. Well, I got two other things externally I want to.

SPEAKER_00: 55:00

Okay, go ahead. But wait, but why I told you that is because she said not only did it help the circulation and and help her hand heal, but she said it was a better pain reliever than oxycodone. She had been on oxycodone and the clay, she said for pain relief better than oxycodone.

SPEAKER_01: 55:19

Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I glad I let you get that nugget out because that's important. Okay, well, two other things related to external use I wanted to ask. I this hernia thing fascinates me. So give me a story or two about how people have used clay to help with the hernia.

SPEAKER_00: 55:34

Okay, uh, it's interesting what the clay can do to the body uh for wounds and and and it stimulates the body. Uh I'll just throw this in there. Uh women who have menstrual, painful monthly menstrual cramps will put a poultice of clay gel on whichever side was painful, and it reduces pain from that monthly menstruation period phenomenally well. There was a high school girl, she used to miss three or four days of school every month with her period. After leaning about clay, she never missed a day of school again because when the pain would get bad, she would put a poultice on that side, cover it with fabric uh to hold it in place, and uh leave it there through the night, and the next day she would go to school. It didn't stop the period. The period still you know progressed normally as it should, but without that pain that would keep her home. So the hernia story uh story is uh we had a son who in high school, uh he was a high school wrestler, and we learned that 16-year-old boys don't tell mom and dad about hernias until they're so bad that they can't get them back in.

SPEAKER_02: 56:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 56:59

And that's when we learned our son had this hernia when he it was popping out so bad and he was having trouble getting it back in. He came and told us. So we went to a doctor who specializes in laparoscopic hernia repair, hoping that he wouldn't miss the wrestling season as a junior in high school. Well, this doctor said if he were my son, we would operate in the morning. But he said, I know he's a wrestler, I know these boys think they're wrestling, you know, their high school sports is important. So he said, get him a hernia belt and wear and and see if he can get by till the end of wrestling season. Uh and uh, but if it pops out in between, he said, You gotta come quick, because it could it could really be serious. Well, we got him a hernia belt that he wore every day, but we made him a clay burrito that he wore every night. Now, and we'll but I I could even well, so this clay. Okay, so this clay burrito, what is it? It's a piece of cheesecloth uh or gauze, a 12-inch square piece of gauze, and you put the clay, a patty of clay, like mayonnaise or mustard, uh, you put it on to where it's half or three-quarter inch thick and a four or five inches in diameter, so just like a really generous hamburger patty, uh, in the center of this 12-inch square piece of gauze, and then you fold the excess gauze over on top of itself. So you've made a patty of clay wrapped in gauze. And then he would we call that a poultice. Uh sometimes we call it a burrito. Uh we he put would put that down inside his shorts over the spot where the hernia had been popping out. In the morning, he would just reach in and take it out, and it would come out as a patty of clay, just like it went in. But it would be much drier. By morning, it had dried to the point where it was a light play-doh. And so he would just open up the cheesecloth or the gauze and let that patty of clay fall out in the garbage can. And then we would wash the gauze and use it again. I'm very economical. We would wash the gauze and use it the next night. So every day he wore the hernia bell, every night he wore the clay burrito or uh patty uh poultice on that spot. Well, it never did pop out again during that wrestling season. So he he wore that burrito on that spot from mid-December until uh the first part of February at the end of the wrestling season. And by the end of the wrestling season, it had never hurt again, it had never popped out again. So we didn't go back to that doctor to have it fixed at the end of that wrestling season, or at the end of the next year's wrestling season, or the next year, or the next year. That kid is an adult now and has never had that hernia fixed that should have been fixed the next day.

SPEAKER_01: 59:50

Dang, what a story. Okay, I love that one. I would never have thought to do that.

SPEAKER_00: 59:54

Now, will that help every hernia? Uh no. Uh, older men, there's a man in Pennsylvania, he had a hernia. He he tried the the burrito thing, and he said it it helped for a long time, but uh as a 50-year-old man, he just wasn't you know growing and uh new tissue like this 16-year-old boy. And so eventually he gave up. Well, eventually he had surgery, okay because which was fine. We're not anti-doctored. Yeah, it was having surgery for him was a whole lot simpler than you know wearing a clay burrito for months every time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:32

Yeah, no, there's a place for all that. So there is great story. Okay, well, tell people the last one I wanted to go externally was uh using it as a bath. And so give us a couple stories, maybe, but what I thought was fascinating is just um as much making sure we capture the idea of how to properly dispose of the water, in particular from a foot bath. So tell people about bathing with clay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:53

You bet. And again, we didn't come up with this on our own. Uh 99, 99% of what I know about clay, I've learned from other people. And in the first situation, it was a guy in Illinois, a naturopathic doctor in an ill in Illinois, who told me that doing a clay bath, uh, and for a bath, a clay bath, you want uh water as hot as you can stand, and uh three quarters of a cup to maybe a cup of clay. And you soak for 35 uh 40 minutes. And he said doing that would detoxify people, uh, pull the heavy metals or other toxins out through the skin. Because he said your skin is actually your largest organ of elimination. So uh one time a lady called me and she said that uh she asked if the clay would get rid of heavy metals. And I said, Well, I can't prove promise or prove anything, but I've heard that it does. And she said that she had had a case of shingles early in her life that had left a lot of nerve damage. And she said, now in my older years, I'm in pain all day, I'm in pain all night, I'm miserable, 24-7. And I think if I could detoxify from the heavy metals, I would feel better. Well, we talked about doing a clay bath. She didn't have a tub, but she had a shower, uh, only a shower. And I said, Well, you can also do the same thing with a foot soak, soaking your feet. And again, how did I learn about that? Well, a lady called me one time and she uh was telling me of all the wonderful things Clay had done, and and uh for her and her family, and she mentioned food poisoning. And I said, Oh, uh, when you use it for food poisoning, do you uh do you drink the clear water off the top of the clay or do you stir it up and drink the whole thing? And and we'll go into those details.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:37

We're coming up to it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:37

Yeah, but it came up anyway. Uh I said, so which way do you drink it? The clear water off the top, or do you stir it up and drink the whole thing? And and in a disgusted voice, she said, drink the clay? Yuck! We don't drink the clay. And I said, I thought you said it helped food poisoning. She said, Oh, it does. She said, Recently my family went out to a restaurant, all came home with food poisoning, and thanks to the clay, by the time we went to bed, it was over. And I said, How's the clay helping food poisoning if you're not drinking it? And she said, We soak our feet. And I said, What? She said, We soak our feet for food poisoning. And I said, Lady, you know more about this clay than I do. Tell me. And she said, by soaking their feet uh in a foot bath, and with a foot bath, you still use hot water, but you only use two tablespoons of the clay. And she said, Yeah, that's how we get rid of food poisoning. Because it detoxifies the body through the feet. So when this lady told me that she had heavy metals, didn't have a tub, I said, Well, you can soak your feet. Told her how. And she called back a few days later, as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. She said, I'm sleeping through the night. I'm pain-free. I I haven't felt as good for 10 years. Would you send us some literature that I can share with my friends here in the trailer park in St. George, Utah? And so we did. And then a few days later, she called and she said, Hey, I've been talking to a friend in California about the clay. Would you send her literature? And we did. And then she called a few days later and said, I've been talking to a friend in Oregon. Send her, we did. Well, a few days later she called, and to be funny, I try to be funny at times. I said, Who are we going to send it to today? And she said, What happens if you put clay on plants? And I thought, on plants? Where's this question coming from? And I said, It's good for them. I said, It's it's got a high mineral value or high mineral content, it'll remineralize your plants. I said, Yeah, you can use it as a foliar spray, you can stir it in the soil. I said, You bet it's good for your plants. And in a tearful voice, sobbing, she said, Oh, I should have known better. I should have known better. And I'm I'm confused. I said, June, what's going on? And she said, Well, here in our city, St. George, Utah, we're told we should conserve water. And I thought, what can I do with this water from soaking my feet? And she said, I came up with a read what I thought was a really good idea. I thought, I'll use it to water my houseplants. And all of my friends, I would tell them, uh, soak your feet and then use it to water your houseplants. She said, I was talking to a friend today about the clay, and uh and or when I was talking to my friend, and and I said, every plant in my house has died. My friend said, hers aren't dead, but they're looking really sick. So we decided there must be something lethal in the clay to plant. And I said, No, there isn't. And now you know what you did, don't you? She said, Yes, all the toxins, heavy metals that pulled out of us were in that water. I said, You got it. That's right. A guy in Hawaii killed a section of his lawn from the water after soaking his feet. Now, uh I one uh full disclosure, I thought, wouldn't it be awesome in my clay class to show a picture of uh some flowers or my my lawn that the clay had killed. Well, my wife's flowers are sacred. I didn't dare mess with them, but I thought I can kill a section of my lawn, and uh my wife will never know. And then I'll have a picture that I can show in my classes. So every time I would take water out our back door after soaking our feet, my wife would say, Don't put that on the lawn, and I would say, Got it, honey. And I would go out and put it on the lawn, same spot. Well, guess what? It never killed our lawn, and I think it's because my wife and I are not toxic enough uh because of other things we do. But uh anyway, uh so the point is, and uh Kristen, what you said, well, so if you do a foot soak, what do you do with the water? Uh you can, or if you or if you do a clay bath, what do you do? Can you let that go down your drain? Yes. Now, when we do a foot soak, uh in a little like a little plastic hospital type basin, uh plastic dishpan, uh, it's got two tablespoons of clay in it. We take that out uh and pour it on a gravel driveway. You can pour it on a gravel driveway, you can uh throw it across maybe a patch of weeds. Uh, I don't know if it'll kill weeds or not. Maybe weeds like toxins. Uh but you can also flush that down the toilet if you you know don't have access to a you know uh gravel driveway you want to throw it on. Tubs, we have put clay down our tub for 50 years. Uh and it has never caused a problem. For the first 20 years, we were on a septic tank. Never caused a problem at all. Because you take a cup of clay, by the time it's dissolved in a full tub of water, you open the drain and it goes down the drain lickety split, and there's not even enough sediment in the bottom to fill a quarter of a teaspoon. Um, and so we have never in 50 years seen it a problem. Now, if you're working, if you got a big glob of clay, well, don't force that down your sink. Don't force that down your drain. If you got a big gob of clay, like if you do a burrito, like you know, we did for for my son's uh hernia, or if you've got a wood and you got a big glob of clay, well, throw that in the garbage can.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:11

But for the two tablespoons in a in a foot soap, for that cup of clay, in a full body bath, it's gone. Down the drain and no problems.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:21

Good to know. Well, I just yeah, I like that story or that data point about everybody killing their houseplants because it does say I've heard people roll their eyes at the idea that you can detox through your skin. And that what you're saying is a testament to yes, the body does purge things you don't want, and in the right environment, you can really disrupt life with the toxins coming out of people.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:41

So for sure. My my dad had an infection in his hand one time with a red streak all the way into the armpit. And and my and my uh they packed his hand in the clay, wrapped it with a handkerchief so it could dry, and he went to bed with a red line up his arm. He got up the next morning with no red line.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:01

So one thing I've heard you mention in the ways that you've used it, you said for women, and I couldn't figure out a reason for this. You say I have them use clay that's more around the consistency of mayo or mustard, but for guys often it's more like sheetrock mud. So why the difference? Or is there something there I missed, or do you have a his and hers bottle around the house?

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:19

Or well it's it's because uh it's just to help guys envision it, you know. For okay, I mean they're they're just they're the same thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:29

It's the same consistency, it's not different then.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:31

Okay, no, no, no. Yeah, I you know, sheetrock mud and mayonnaise are basically the same consistency.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:37

Got it. You're just thinking female versus male, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:40

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:42

Got it. All right. Well, let's talk internal uses of clay then, because there's some things that you've seen clay help internally, and again, your book has a longer list than some of these things, but here's some of the ways clay has been able to help internally. So, colic, in case you don't know, that's where babies just can't seem to stop crying. Uh, allergies and celiac disease, heartburn and hiatal hernias, H. pylorian ulcers, parasites, food poisoning, Crohn's, colitis, and diverticulitis, and then diarrhea and constipation. And that second one surprised me because I was familiar with clay for diarrhea, but I didn't even think of it as something that could help with constipation. So you've already mentioned a couple of stories along that vein of how you've had people use it for diarrhea and constipation. So um obvious tell us some more internal uses, maybe the food poisoning or or how you um recommend people uh use it internally.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:34

So yeah, and let's yeah, let's tell them we'll tell them how to use it and then talk about what it's done. Okay. So to use the clay internally, uh, it's just a teaspoon and a glass of water. Uh and for those who are uh you know do have the the advantage of of uh video, uh teaspoon and glass of water. It doesn't really matter how much water, I like to use eight or ten ounces of water. Uh now use the best water you you've got. Some people you know ask, well, does it need to be distilled water, purified water? We've never seen a water that clay doesn't work with. So use the best water you've got. Now, if you use distilled water or reverse osmosis water, be aware that the clay does act a little differently. When you put a teaspoon of clay uh and mixing clay and water, it doesn't mix well. It's like mixing flour and water.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:31

Yeah, you I was pleased to like I didn't know this until I saw you teach it how to get it to actually mix well. So keep going.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:38

Okay. So uh the the uh the hard way to do it is what we did for the first 30 years, because we didn't know any better. And that is to take a teaspoon of of the dry powdered clay, put it in a glass of water, and and stir it. Now you don't want to use a metal spoon. Clay, the negative electronic charge that clay has is destroyed when it in contact with metal. So don't use a metal glass, don't use a metal spoon, use uh a plastic spoon to spur it. But we would put a teaspoon of the uh clay in a glass of water and we would stir it and as best we could. Uh of course the clay goes lumpy, it's like flour, it sticks to the spoon, it sticks to the glass, it goes lumpy, but we would just whip it up as best we could. Uh and and then if you need to drink clay, you just choke it down, lumps and all. If you don't need to drink it right then, uh the French homeopath, Raymond Dextrate, he said that after you mix the clay and water, he actually recommended that you let it set four to six hours for the clay to activate the water, or for the water to activate the clay. And after four to six hours, the clay sediment will be on the bottom, but the minerals will have dissolved into the water, and the water will have taken on the electronic charge that the clay has. So Dextrate said after four to six hours of the clay just sitting, then most of the water will be clear. And you can drink the clear water off the top and throw the sediment away and get the same benefit as stirring it up and drinking the whole muddy mess. So for the first few uh years that we used the clay, we did that. We didn't drink any of the sediment. We would stir it up, we would let the sediment drop out, minerals into the water, electronic charge in the water, and then we would drink the clear water off the top and we would throw the sediment away. That's what we did for the first months, maybe years, that we're using the clay. But after we learned how effective the clay was and that the sediment, you know, wasn't harmful, then now we just you know drink it all. But if you're using reverse osmosis water or distilled water, then the water will never clarify, it will stay murky. Uh and uh and again, it doesn't matter, but uh just be aware that if if you're wanting the the water to drop out and be clear, uh if you're using distilled or reverse osmosis water, it won't. Now, for you in the video audience, I've got a bottle of clay here, and I'll show you what I do now. Uh rather than you using an open glass, I have a glass bottle. It was a kombucha bottle, glass bottle with a wide mouth lid, and I will fill it three-quarters full of water, so it's about 10, 12 ounces, and then I'll dump the teaspoon of clay in there, and I'll just dump it on the water and walk away. I don't stir it, I don't shake it, I just dump the clay on the water and walk away, and I let that clay sink down through the water by itself undisturbed for two or three hours or even overnight. Then when I stir it, it will stir as smooth as a glass of milk. And and I'll even show you if you're watching this. Uh so after when you stir it, after it has sat for a few hours, it'll stir as smooth as a glass of milk with no lumps. And if you don't mind drinking the murky liquid, you can drink it right then, and you can't even detect any sediment going through your teeth. And if you close your eyes or use cold water, you can't even taste it. There is no taste. Now, Christian, have you have you tried it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:17

No, I haven't done it this way. I've never, I've always done the way that you're like, This is how it's awful and it's chunky, and but after you're seeing you do it, I'm like, ah, that makes so much more sense.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:26

So yes. So, yeah, if you've let it set for a while and hydrate undisturbed before you stir it, it stirs as smooth as a glass of milk. And like I say, if you close your eyes, stand in a dark room, uh, basically there's no taste. Now, my wife says, yes, there is. There's a mild earthy taste. And I'll give her that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:45

Yeah, I would give her a fact check option on that one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:48

There is a mild earthy taste. So that's the easy way. Uh, so the easy way is to let the clay sink down through the water, hydrate by itself, then a few hours later stir uh and either drink the clear water, well, drink the murky or let it sit again and it'll clarify and drink the clear water. So that's what you do uh for a glass at a time. Uh again, for the the video audience, uh people can do a quart at a time. If you're doing a quart, it's a heaping tablespoon in a quart bottle. And basically that's four servings of clay. So you could drink it uh, you know, uh once a day for four days. Some people will drink the clay once a day, some people will drink it twice a day. Uh, some take it in the morning, some take it at night, uh, some take it with food, some take it on an empty stomach. There's really uh it's it's it's more of an art than a science, so there's really not a bad way you know to do it, but find out what works for you. I my my friend who had ulcers, he said it helped uh better if you took it at night. Um but other people will take it uh at other times during the day. So very flexible.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:00

Uh whatever it's I mean, it's so wise to just say your body's different than other people's and your exposures and your health history and hydration levels and sleep and hope and all of that. Is so yeah, have a the willingness to experiment. I interviewed Herb Richards and he said the exact same thing about DMSO. Like you got to find your way, and you don't find it without running some experiments on your body and and seeing what how you respond to it. And so I like that flexibility you're talking about with yeah, just have some courage to start.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:30

Yeah, I did make a mistake once. Uh so I guess there is a mistake you can make with clay. Okay, tell us the clay is phenomenal for food poisoning, it it really is. Uh and and uh I can say that uh even with diarrhea, for the first 20 years, I never took the clay twice for the same case of diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:54

It was, I mean, it basically almost instantaneous. But there was one time I had uh I'd gotten some food poisoning uh from something, and and uh boy, I had some nausea and I and I was just you know ready to throw up. I thought, boy, I'm gonna I'm gonna be throwing up here in the next five minutes, and and I don't like to throw up, so I thought, well, I'm gonna drink clay uh instead of throwing up. Well, I I drank clay that settled things to where I couldn't throw up. So whatever was down there that had been churning, wanting to come out, it was still churning. It couldn't come out, but it still churned, and it churned for for quite a while. And in hindsight, I thought if ever again I'm at the point where I'm ready to upchuck, and I feel like I'm gonna upchuck within the next few minutes, then I'm I would rather upchuck and get that out of there and then drink clay rather than drink the clay and keep that in there. But for any other case of food poisoning, you know, and unless regurgitation is minutes away, trink clay and it resolves it. I've never had a case of food poisoning go past an hour or two.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:14

Yeah, it's a couple couple of years ago we were at a an event, uh, they served some chicken. Uh and uh I brought some chicken home. Uh the chicken they served that night was fine, but the chicken I brought home the next day, uh I realized uh, yep, yep, I brought some bad pieces home. My wife said, don't eat them. I I thought they'll be fine. I ate them. I shouldn't have.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:41

And uh thanks to the clay within before I went to bed that night, food poisoning was history.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:48

Very nice. Okay, well, two other things that we should maybe give people some window into is one using clay relative to timing of medications, and then the other is constipation. So give people some guidelines around those two things.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:02

Uh, you bet. Uh now regarding constipation, do you mean to uh get rid of constipation or I'm talking about yeah, potentially using too much and giving yourself constipation. Okay, yes, right. So the normal amount of clay, like I said, is is a teaspoon a day or twice a day. Uh you can go, I know people do it three times a day. Um my feeling is if taking clay three or four times a day, if that doesn't solve your problem, the clay is probably not the solution. Uh but uh if you take too much clay, it can cause constipation, which is ironic because again, I know people who've been so constipated. Uh well, in fact, I'll tell you, uh yeah, I know people who've been so constipated, you know, they've been having one bowel woman every week or 10 days, and three days of clay, their bowels are normal. Uh, we had a grandson many years ago who uh his mother was no longer able to nurse him. So he was put on a formula, and the side effect of that formula was constipation, which is totally normal. And the doctors were having them shove suppositories up his little rectum. When we heard that they were shoving suppositories up his little bottom, we said, hey, you can't do that on our grandkids. You know, you can it's okay if you do that on other people's grandkids, but not on our grandkids. So we had the parents mix the clay, a teaspoon and a glass of water, like they were gonna drink it themselves. To let the clay settle out and then use the water off the top to mix the formula. As soon as he got formula made with the clay water, his little bowels kicked in and no problems. But uh, and most people can take, like say, two, three, four teaspoons a day with no problem. One lady thought, well, if if a teaspoon or two a day, if a teaspoon a day is good, then nine teaspoons a day is nine times better. So she was taking nine teaspoons a day. Yeah, it made her constipated. So just just like you know, if if you take too much vitamin C, your body lets you know by giving you diarrhea. If you take too much clay, your body lets you know by making you constipated. Uh so that's the the word on the on the constipation. The other word was medication. So yes, okay. So the clay, because of this negative electronic charge that is beneficial for pulling out toxins, poisons, heavy metals, uh, free radicals and such, if it recognizes a medication as a toxic poison, it will absorb it out. Now, Dextrate, when he wrote the book back in the 1950s, he addressed this issue and he actually said, if you're on a medication, don't take clay, because the clay could interfere with the medication or the medication could interfere with the clay. So he said, finish your medication and then take clay. Well, that was fine in the 1950s when people were on a drug for you know a week or 10 days and then they were off. Well, in our society today, we have people who are on lifetime drugs. If they wait until they're off their medication, they'll be six feet under the ground and the funeral will be over.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:17

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:18

So people who are on daily, you know, lifetime medications, what we have found is that for most of those, if you take them to clay and the medication two or three, four hours apart, there's no problem. Um except in one incident. There's only one incident where we have seen that even 12 hours apart is a problem, and that is with the drug thinner or the uh blood thinner. Yeah, the blood thinner cumadin. If there was a fellow in Pennsylvania who was on cumidin for because of an accident he had had, and he was on a blood thinner, and he was concerned because he knew the clay could pull out you know toxic medications, and so he was taking them uh three or four hours apart. He went to the doctor to have his cumidin level tested. They said, Why aren't you taking your cumidin'? And uh, so then he went to taking them 12 hours apart. And uh the next time he he went in for his cumidin level, they said, You're still not taking your cumidon. Well, you can't take them further apart than 12 hours. And so, in his in his situation, because you know uh your blood being too thick can cause be uh it can be life-threatening, then he chose it was better to take the cumidon and not take the clay. Now, there's other people. Uh, I know who there was a friend who is on warfarin, it's a blood thinner. And uh he was taking warfarin for as a blood thinner, but he was always also taking clay two or three times a week, not daily, but two or three times a week for heartburn. And taking the clay two or three times a work week, it did not negatively affect his warfarin. So uh again, uh to personal uh individual situation. Uh one fell one fellow he was taking uh synthroid for his thyroid, and he was also uh began taking clay for his heartburn. And life was good when he was taking them apart, but he decided to simplify his life and use the clay water to swallow the synthroid.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:34

Uh oh.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:36

His synthroid immediately quit working.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:39

He went back to taking them a few hours apart. The synthroid worked, and the clay resolved his heartburn.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:46

Nice. Have you ever seen anybody with uh psych meds take clay? And any any guidelines around that? Uh medications for the head, psychiatric medications?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:55

Uh no stories.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:56

No stories about that one. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:57

So again, if if it were me, I would take them as you know, three or four hours apart at least.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:06

Uh but if in doubt, if it's a medication that without it could be life-threatening, I wouldn't take clay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:16

Yeah. Okay. Good, good advice there. So as always, get to know your own body, find somebody that can help you with it. And uh there you go. Okay. I've I've got a few minutes left, but I want to wrap up with just is there any other mysterious illnesses that you've seen clay help, or you're like, I didn't even think that it would impact this. Where like, I don't know if it's insomnia or any other strange things that people have healed from.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:38

Uh I'm glad you brought that up because there are times when people will come to me and they'll say, Well, we'll help, will Clay help this, will Clay help that? Things that I've never even heard about. So I tell people, if it were me, I would do three things. I would drink, I would take it internally, because often even external issues are internal issues coming out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:02

I would put it uh on topically, wherever there's an oui, if there's a pain, if there's an itch, if there's a wound, if there's a redness, if there's inflammation, wherever there's an indication as to where to put it topically, I would put it on topically. And the third thing I would do is I would bathe in it, either full body bath or soak the feet. So if I had some issue, I would do all three things. There are people that come back and say, wow, it helped this, it helped that. Now, you mentioned insomnia. I don't have any insomnia stories. Uh, I don't have enough weight loss stories to uh, you know, mention weight loss. Uh there are some that have said it has helped, but again, not enough stories.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:50

Uh what about things like lipomas, skin tags, or moles? Have you seen anything where it helps with those?

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:57

Uh no. Now, uh growths, uh, what do you call them? Tumors or uh yeah, what's it? Oh abscesses.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:10

Uh yeah, abscesses are are gross. Yes. Uh as far as scars, if if uh old scars, I don't have any stories of the clay helping old scars. Now, new scars or or if the wound, if there's still healing to be done, I would use the clay.

unknown: 1:28:27

I know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:28

But old scars, uh baldness, ugliness, if it helped ugliness, I wouldn't look like this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:34

Yeah, right, you would be the handsomest guy in the world if you could. Who knows more about clay? Let's wrap up. Show people your book there. So I'll for people that are listening and can't read that. So he has a book called We Eat Clay and We Wear It Too. And the subtitle is A User's Guide of Practical Tips and Techniques to Improve the Healing Results of Natural Clay. And I can say it's a very approachable book. It's 42 pages. It's a great mix of why and how and some really inspiring stories. And so tell people where they can find your book, where they can find you, how to reach out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:05

Okay. Uh, you're gonna like my email is weeatclay at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:11

There you go.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:12

My my website.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:15

It's also we eatclay.com, I believe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:18

We eat clay. We eatclay.com is my website. The website's very simple. Uh basically, what you can get there is a is a PDF copy of the book uh for six bucks. The book does have a link to the class I teach on YouTube uh where you can go and watch a class. Um, it also has a list of uh mistakes you can make as because there are mistakes you can make. Yeah, and a lot of times when I teach my class, I get so excited telling people all the things the clay can do, I forget to tell them, hey, there are some mistakes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:51

And so they're listed in the in the back of the book.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:54

Uh yeah, we can only fit so much in one episode, people. So there is more to learn. And I don't know how many people I can sit down with who've been studying one topic and worked at mastery for 50 years. So it's so cool to be able to hang out with you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:09

And for people who who don't want the PDF, electronic PDF version, I do mail out hard copies so people can email me, send me an email, and uh and I can tell, you know, tell them how that how they can get a hard copy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:21

All right, Neil. Well, you are a wealth of information and fascinating story. So thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me today. It has been an honor.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:28

Well, I I hope it helps people the way it's helped help my family. And and that's why I do this. Uh, I was blessed. Uh, God was very gracious to bring it into our lives and bless our lives. All eight children came into a home where clay was there. They've all been benefited from clay, and so I want to help other people benefit the way I was.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:49

Well, it's an honor to amplify your work and help some other people find some really simple and expensive solutions. So thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:55

Thank you, Christian.