Deconstructing Conventional
Welcome to Deconstructing Conventional, a show fascinated by one simple question: How did we get here? How did what we call “conventional” come to earn that title? Is there a better way, and if so, what would it look like? This show is about deconstructing two things: Our individual biases, and the systems that run (or attempt to run) our everyday lives.
We do this deconstruction with an eye for where we can reconstruct something better that leads to flourishing societies, and robust physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. In short, this show is about questioning our assumptions and practicing systems-level thinking.
I’m your host, Christian Elliot, I’ll do my best to stay curious and humble. You do the same and we’re both bound to learn something. Welcome to the show. Prepare to have your thinking stretched.
Deconstructing Conventional
Kerri Rivera: Autism is Not Forever - The Blueprint for Healing that Doctors Don't Know
What if everything we've been told about autism is wrong? What if this condition that affects 1 in 32 children isn't genetic, permanent, or untreatable, but instead represents a massive poisoning crisis that can be reversed?
Kerri Rivera joins us to share her extraordinary journey from desperate mother to pioneering healer who's helped over 5,000 children recover from autism. After watching her own son slip away between 12-24 months old, becoming nonverbal after vaccinations, Kerri refused to accept the medical establishment's grim prognosis.
Through relentless research and divine appointments with mentors like Dr. Bernard Rimland, Kerri discovered and refined protocols that have transformed thousands of lives. Her approach centers on chlorine dioxide therapy, specialized dietary interventions (particularly low-glutamate and carnivore diets), parasite protocols, and addressing the gut-brain connection.
"You can recover your child from autism," Kerri explains. "But it's work. Between 18-36 months of consistent effort, you can take your child back to the path they were destined to follow." Kerri walks us through her toolkit: removing inflammatory foods, implementing chlorine dioxide, addressing parasites, improving stomach acid, and supporting detoxification pathways.
This conversation isn't just for parents of autistic children—it's for anyone concerned about the exponential rise in chronic illness in our children. If we continue on our current trajectory, projections suggest half of all children could be diagnosed with autism within 15-25 years.
Kerri has faced extraordinary censorship for her work—deplatforming, demonetization, SWAT raids, and relentless smear campaigns. Yet she continues offering hope because she's witnessed too many recoveries to stay silent.
Whether you're seeking answers for your own family or simply questioning why autism didn't exist before the 1940s, this eye-opening conversation challenges everything we've been told about this condition and offers a pathway forward built on one mother's refusal to give up.
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Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 53. This is an episode and a topic I've been excited to cover for a while, and I just needed the right person to help me do it. So my guest today is a mama bear and life changer named Carrie Rivera. She makes the bold claim that autism is avoidable, treatable and curable, and you're about to find out what gives her that confidence. As you might imagine, carrie is someone who has walked the path of helping her son recover from autism, and she has also helped tens of thousands of other parents do the same thing.
Speaker 1:Because of that, carrie has also taken a lot of heat. She is one more example of what happens when you step on the toes of big pharma and all the agendas that are tied into that cartel. She has been smeared and vilified all over the internet. She has been a victim of SWAT raids, investigations, demonetization, deplatforming, and her books have been taken down from Amazon and Barnes and Noble. And wait until you hear the list of email companies who will not deliver emails from her. It is a long list. That set of injustices is just one of the reasons I am thrilled to be able to introduce you to her and to amplify her work, unless you've just been completely checked out of society.
Speaker 1:You're probably aware that autism is, and has been for a while, at epidemic levels, where currently about one out of 32 children born today is diagnosed with autism. Carrie and I would both agree that there is, and has been for a while, a massive poisoning going on. That is the only thing that explains the situation. I don't want to brush over a statistic like that without helping you see how significant this is. If we do not reverse the current exponential rise, if we simply stay on the trajectory we're on, we are looking at a society where, depending on which estimates you read, in the next 15 to 25 years, literally half of all children born will be diagnosed with autism and, as Kerry pointed out, 90% of all marriages do not survive an autism diagnosis Friends. That is how you bankrupt a society. This is a problem for all of us and that alone is a great reason to share this episode far and wide.
Speaker 1:If you know someone who has an autistic child, please share this interview. You may be the one who not only gives them hope you never know who you might reach that needs to hear this and if you don't know how to share an episode with a hot button topic like this, you might just simply say, hey, I don't know if there's anything in here you don't already know, but I found it interesting and I learned some things, and so I thought I'd share it with you in case it's helpful. That's all you need to say. After you've done that, follow up and ask if they've listened and let them know. You'd love to know what they think. But to whet your appetite for what you're about to hear, in this interview, carrie lays out some of the history of the rise of autism.
Speaker 1:She talks about the main culprits, of where it comes from, some of which may surprise you. She talks about her son's story of receiving an autism diagnosis and she just speaks openly about the challenges and the major milestones of his recovery. She also talks about the clinic she used to run in Latin America where she helped kids from all over the world, and she gets really practical in terms of her favorite tools, the timeframes for a productive healing journey and how families, especially moms, often heal together. One thing I really appreciate about Carrie is that her knowledge is not from an ivory tower Like mine. It's from the trenches. It's from getting into the weeds of real lives and real budget constraints and real emotional situations and finding a way forward when doctors have no ideas. So she is, like so many moms, scrappy and resilient and unwilling to give up on her own child. Her life kind of reads like a series of tragedies followed by divine appointments, and she is just, in many ways, an angel among us. Her methods are well honed and what I appreciate about her work, similar to mine, is that we both know that health returns when you simultaneously do a few things, and she lays out so many of them in this episode. So you are in for a treat, and if you have an autistic child, you are in for a windfall of hope. And as a little bit of validation for Carrie, after we stopped the recording, she pointed out that the FDA has quietly removed the warning about the safety of chlorine dioxide, so perhaps the truth is starting to break out even at the government level.
Speaker 1:We shall see, friends, I know there are so many podcasts and shows out there you could be listening to, and so I'm honored to have you. Thank you for being here. I'll keep doing my best to help you find better questions and better answers and, if you like the work I do, please consider leaving me a review, and, without further ado, here is my interview with the one and only Kerry Rivera. All right, hello everyone. Welcome to today's show.
Speaker 1:It is my delight to introduce you to Keri Rivera, so let me tell you some fun things about this lovely lady. She is a pioneer in the use of chlorine dioxide as a treatment to reverse the symptoms known as autism. She was the founder of the first clinic in Latin America to treat autism. She's helped more than 5,000 children recover from autism and more than 100,000 people improve their quality of life, and before the Facebook censorship era kicked into high gear, she had a support group with about 60,000 followers and more than 10 language, and it got so big they had 60 different moderators. She's also the author of numerous books and she's a homeopath author of numerous books and she's a homeopath. She hosts a TV show online TV at brighteontv called Champions. So, carrie, that is one impressive resume, but I think who you are is even more impressive, and so I just can't wait for people to hear your story. So welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:You're so generous. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1:You're welcome, okay, so one of the things I like to do on this show is just kind of define our terms and give some people some grounded context. So before we get into your story of your son and his autism, help us kind of understand the world of autism when did this start to become an epidemic? And dial us in a little bit on the history of this problem.
Speaker 2:Well, autism didn't exist before the 1940s and the first people that were no-transcript. And you know, I also believe like there's a lot of people, like most of us, who have children, that were affected. I was just looking at photos of my son actually while I was waiting for you. That's my son before autism, like he was just, you know, he was just a stinky little happy guy. You know, he was just like a little happy guy and then I kept, you know, vaccinating him, happy guy, and then I kept, you know, vaccinating him and he's, I started to lose him between 12 months and 24 months. I started losing him by by two and a half. He was nonverbal, so he went from a child. He was a really sparky, sharp guy, like compared to his brother, he was the sharpest of the two kids and I mean, but you know, of course, at the different ages, right, but he was really sharp. And you know, the more and more vaccines we get going on and the more toxicity in our food, glyphosate, and our air quality, our water quality, you know the 5G, like there's a lot of things that are playing the role and anyway, so it came to be, I believe, and many of us you know who are have children that are affected by autism, the autism spectrum that it came from vaccines, and it doesn't mean that every child who has the diagnosis of autism is even vaccinated. I do work with a subset of kids in a very, very small amount who've never received a vaccination.
Speaker 2:Well, there's other things that can happen, like my friend, dr Roby Mitchell. Rest in peace. You know he always said like there's a perfect storm, like the mother could have hypothyroidism, she could be a little bit older, caesarian there's all that medications. At the moment they're being born. That's pumping the baby. So there's a lot of things, you know. There's a lot of other little things. You can actually kind of hunt and pack that way. But right now, according to the CDC, in 2025, it's one in 31 children, including girls, with autism. This is, this is devastating and there's it's not possible to have a genetic epidemic. So we are having an epidemic and it's not genetic. So why is RFK Jr saying I'll let you know what's happening with autism in September? I don't know.
Speaker 1:We already know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of don't have any hope that anything's going to change. I mean, I would love to see that it changes because I work with families every day and their children, they were fine like mine and now they're not fine. And so of course, now autism if in fact you can express a genetic issue, you could actually reverse it. I don't believe that autism is genetic, but they do say that it's about a 10%. So you will sometimes see the guy. I work with a family out of the UK. They have three children and all three children have autism. There's different levels, like the older one, he's higher functioning. The younger one, the younger one's a set of twins, so you will see that.
Speaker 2:So we need to look at what we are doing to the children environmentally, and that would change everything. Or look at the Amish they don't have any autism, they don't vaccinate. And that could be a connection. Why don you know they don't have any autism, they don't vaccinate? And that could be a connection Like why don't we do a double blind and say like, ok, you hundred, for the first three years get no vaccines, you hundred get everything, all 72, because you know they're putting into one needle up to eight, eight vaccines at one time. They have no tests on the synergy about it, you know. And of course Ronald Reagan in 1986 released the vaccine industry and the pharmaceutical industry of any wrongdoing, no matter who gets harmed by their products, which is, you know, that's car companies don't have that. Supplement companies don't have that. So you know why do they get that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's some companies right now that pesticide makers in particular, that are pushing for and have gotten in a few states indemnification from any harm from their pesticides. So that's like the playbook of poisonous industries. They're just we'll stop making this unless you tell us we can't be sued for harming anyone and we've got to stop that as a population. So if you're hearing this, speak up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's devastating. It's really devastating what they're doing to us. And then you know they should be working for us. You know these branches of government should be working to keep us safe, but yet they're not. And you know we look at people like Lindsey Graham. They're lifers. You know they're just in there making their millions, robbing us blind, selling out our country, and we don't have to go so far as to see what we're doing to the children. Or you know what they're talking about too, about the foods. How is it possible that the foods in the United States are more tainted with coloring and flavoring and poisonous what do you call it preservatives than other countries? You know, like Gatorade is not even allowed in some countries because it's so toxic In the States you guys have like when I say you guys haven't lived there in 30 years, but you have like so much junk. It's unbelievable the amount of junk it's. Actually you have to dig to find anything decent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's something like 80 different chemicals that are banned in other countries are still allowed in our food system here and we're celebrating when we get one or two of them. Like a red food dye is gone, okay, what about the other ones that we know are poisoning us? So yeah, well, you basically said I even said in the introduction one of your books is healing the symptoms known as autism, which implies something. So I think we've kind of covered the answer to this. But autism is a symptom of what, to put it succinctly, it's a label, it's not even a thing.
Speaker 2:I mean it should be called vaccine injury, because I don't. I would say that ninety nine point nine percent of the children diagnosed with autism are vaccine injured. That's what I see. I can't tell you how many parents I've talked to. You know. Tens of thousands, tens of thousands. At this point, I've been doing this 22 years. Tens of thousands of children, you know, have have lost their lives to. You know, my child, mmr, like Jenny McCarthy she's an actress in Hollywood and her son, she, she, wrote a book louder than wordsder Than Words many years ago and she traveled coast to coast with Larry King and everything, saying, hey, there's this problem. You know you've got to stop it, because her son literally had a vaccine and immediately had a seizure and started dying and they brought him back. So that's why she knew exactly what happened. It was, you know, a well baby visit. And then you know, her kid's, you know coding he's gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that's such a common story among moms and they just there's so many thousands or tens of thousands, millions of them, and it just gets dismissed as anecdotal. And every other realm we kind of honor a woman's intuition, but in this one we're like, no, that's just, that's something else.
Speaker 2:But what happens? You know you go from this to.
Speaker 2:I don't have a picture, you know, so close to me right now, of what happened to Patrick, like maybe a year after that two years, a year and a half after that picture it was zombie, just zombie, like they, like the you know the invasion of the body snatchers and they there's a lot of jabs, um, and he just, you know, started to like lose eye contact, feel worse, cry diarrhea, sleepless nights and stuff. And then the member was like oh, terrible, twos are upon you so like oh, terrible, twos, that's why I'm so sleep deprived.
Speaker 2:And then, of course, you know I was really sleep deprived so like I couldn't even you know I didn't. I, I don't even know how I function. I I was driving a car which was scary. At the time I really hadn't slept in like a year, so it was difficult. And you don't know really what's happening at that point, because your life has just been thrown into this. You don't even know how to quantify it or qualify it. It's something you've never experienced before. And so you're like oh well, I guess that's how it is and it's not like how it is. And well, I guess that's how it is and it's not like how it is. And then, of course, after time, and then when somebody finally, I had a very, actually really interesting I've had a lot of these kind of godsidences or serendipitous experiences kind of thing, and it's always sort of been like when I needed answers to something, that something came into my life. So I do pay attention to people that revisit or that come out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:So what happened when my son was diagnosed with autism? He was diagnosed in 2004, 12th of March 2004. And I used to play tennis a lot Like. I played like five, six days a week and a lady who used to play on a court next to me at about that same time she used to play with another person. That's what happens, you know, when you get busy with your life. You know you like have a person that you play with and you only. But so, anyway, she and I used to talk about our dogs. We had old dogs and they used to take glucosamine and we'd talk about, like, our old dog, you know, like you know changeovers or something like that. And, um, he had just been diagnosed the 12th of of of March 2004. And I and somebody had told me there's this guy and he used to do some sunrise of therapy and he lives over in those buildings over there. So I, I hunt this guy down. I mean anything for my kid, I hunt this guy down. And so he's like okay, I can talk to you at this time. So I say, okay, I'll come over, cause right around the corner from where I played tennis. So I went and he lived in, kind of a you know those buildings that are pool in the middle. And so we met talking and I'm like, please, please, we work with my son. He's like, no, no, I don't want to do that anymore and I'm doing something else.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, so I came out of that meeting to kind of like just super bummed out and I saw the woman. Her name is Susan. I saw Susan driving down this little teeny street in front of that that complex, and I saw her. I'm like I just don't want to see anybody. But something came into me and said life is about smelling the flowers along the road. And so I was like all right, pull it together, kara. And so I'm like, hey, susan. And she's like, oh, hi. So I approach her car. I'm like, oh, nice car, she's got a new car. She's like, oh, I had a terrible week and she's a realtor. I had a terrible week and this and that. I'm like I had a terrible week.
Speaker 2:I'm like you know, my, my dog, of my dog, that dog of 15, 14 years was put to sleep on the 11th. On the 12th my son was diagnosed with autism and on the 13th my identity was stolen on the internet. And it was like days later that this happened. And she's like she puts her car in park, she turns the car off and she says I have a friend. She lives in Toronto, canada, and she started an early autism center.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give her your email and this goes back. You know we're talking about 2004. So this is like you know, and there was no text message or anything like that. And we used to live in I always lived in Mexico until I lived in Germany, and so I mean you couldn't make a phone call without it costing like 20 bucks a minute. So she's like I'll give opened my email and there was this long, long email from Nora. She was one of my you know, I have so many like earth angels along the way that just came in when I needed it and she explained to me what happened, because you don't know what happened.
Speaker 2:Like you have this kid and I'm showing you the picture. You have this kid and he's fine, and now he's not fine. He's really not fine. He's drooling, he's diarrhea, like he's physically ill. And I don't know what to do, because every time I go to the doctor, all they do is offer me, you know, antibiotics, more vaccines, you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:She explains to me what happens, that you know autism is caused by vaccines and you know autism is treatable and curable and avoidable. And I'm like, well, you know, this is great. And she's like you've got to get this guy for the ABA. He's going to come from New York and you've got to get him. And you've got to go to Florida and you've got to see this doctor. And well, there's me. I did exactly what she said. I got the guy's wife to come because she's also a PhD in the ABA. She comes, I set up a program and then I head to Florida to see this doctor, and that that was kind of when my biomedical stuff started. So I I just you know the thing is too, as I was going along the process, I was learning. So I was learning what worked and what didn't work. So I spent $5,000 with this doctor in Florida and I get, you know, b12 injections and Leucovorn patches and I get all this kind of stuff, supplements. We do labs of hair, urine, blood stool, send them out. Uh, we, so we do all this stuff. I get home, I start the thing.
Speaker 2:Patrick had a really good result when I took him off the wheat and dairy. That was huge. Just he. You know, somebody like the 13th because I came home on the 12th of march after the diagnosis and some of the moms of the kids that were going to sleep over with my elder son were there and I was destroyed and they're like, oh, one says I have this book. It's about a diet for autism and ADHD. And I was like, oh, you lend it to me. She said I'll bring it tomorrow, so she brought it over, I motored through it and then at the end there was this diet of what were the permittable foods and thing he didn't eat.
Speaker 2:He only ate wheat and dairy. By that time he had just self-selected really poisonous food for him. He did eat potatoes, white potatoes, so he ate French fries. So I was like, okay, can't have McDonald's fries, but we'll make fries at home. So that's what we started doing. And, like Richard Sachs he's another person who's interviewed me he's like that potato diet that you had in mind. It's not a potato diet, but it was gluten-free, casein-free, it was the only thing he ate. So he started eating just potatoes. You know, we'd fry them in coconut oil and put sea salt on them, because everything else was wheat and dairy. Three days later he started to say words again and so we were like, wow and then, and so from that point I saw my son getting better, even just by changing the diet. And then, of course, you know, came the, the, the ABA people. Then of course I went to see the, you know what is?
Speaker 1:what is ABA for people who don't know?
Speaker 2:Applied behavioral analysis. It's basically um, uh, behavioral therapy is what it is. So you know it's like put this here and you, you know, hug them and high five them and you know, kind of like what we do with our dogs and our kids and our dolphins, and you know it's sort of like that it just, instead of being, you know, a fish for a dolphin or a little piece of beef snack for a dog, it's like high five and hugs and good job and tickles and that kind of stuff. And then they look at you and they're excited about you. So you know we're trying to bring them back into our world that they left.
Speaker 1:Nice. I like that as a hadn't heard that term or defined before, so that's makes sense. We had a season where we um, had a child that was just, uh, I guess high strung, you could say, and so part of getting him out of a shell was was like defining how hard to hit things. Like there's a, just hit it like a butterfly Now, hit it like a dinosaur Now, and it gave him language and it gave him understanding and just an outlet for this, like pent-up energy as a boy that he had and it really did a lot just by the physical touch and interaction. And we even had a particular massage we did with him and so on. So, yeah, I can see where that could be fruitful. Okay, well, keep going with your story. So you went kind of the what was the best you knew of at the time. So take us through that and then get us up to the point where you introduce chlorine dioxide.
Speaker 2:So 2004 was a diagnosis by 2010,. I had done every stem cells, I'd seen every one of the major doctors in the United States and my son was better, but he wasn't where we wanted him to be, of course. And so at that point, I had just come off of a protocol that was totally insane. It was studies every every two weeks. It was 120 supplements a day, including drops. Yeah, it was. It was totally insane, totally insane. And he was just barfing up, vomiting up entire pills, like it was really bad. And at that point, he was going to turn 10 in August and that was June, and I was just devastated. I mean, there was nothing left to. There's nothing on the horizon.
Speaker 2:You know, I did hyperbarics and, like I said, stem cells and ozone, and I did every, everything possible injections, b12 and glutathione and, like you name it, chelation IV, chelation, oral chelation, cream, chelation, suppository, like everything possible. It had been done with my son and you know he still was, like I said, far from that. So it was, uh, june of 2020, june of June of um 2010. And I laid on my kid's bed they were at school, of course. I drove them to school. Uh, I came home and I just was like I don't know. I laid on their bed and I just held my hands open and uh, and of course I've been praying all along like God, please save my kid, please make this go away, you know, like nothing happened. It was really marginal and anyway I'm like I don't know, I don't know, but if there is an answer because I know that God doesn't just love rich kids, so stem cells would never mean $30,000 for, you know, family in Venezuela right now it's like not a possibility, right?
Speaker 2:So that cannot be the answer and that's why it didn't work and doesn't work for people, but anyway. So I just asked for the answer and the idea of this chlorine dioxide came to me because I'd bought it a year prior. So in 2009, I'd gone to see a pediatrician in Guadalajara, which is a major city near where I lived, and so I was talking to the doctor there who was doing IVs on the kids that I was working with at the clinic, and so I went to see him, because I was in town and his nurse came in and she had this big, you know, big cardboard box and it had green bottles and blue bottles in it. And I was like, oh, what are those? You know? Women were like oh, colors, you know. And uh, and he's like, oh, those are detoxification drops. I'm like, oh, I'll take some sets of that, you know, cause they're like 10 bucks or something ridiculously cheap. And so I got home and I'm like I don't know what to do with these things. So I called him and he's like, oh, just put one drop of each together or whatever you know, for a minute. And then, you know, put in water and drink it. And I was like, yeah, all right, fine, so, like nothing happened. I did, I tried, so anyway, I shelved them. And that's when I did that protocol of like 120 supplements and, you know, very, very pricey. That was 2009, 2010.
Speaker 2:But after that, you know, one year he was actually worse. He just looked like bloated, his liver was obviously stressed from all the supplements. And then some healer came to town. He's like you know, stop all that stuff, his body's not responding. You could see him, he didn't. He didn't look good. Um, his body's not responding to all those supplements that doctor is giving. So, stop that. And so I was like, and I was thinking to myself if I stopped that, I have nothing to go to, like there's just no chance in autism, recovery is done. And so I did stop it and he was better within 72 hours. Like, better, like okay. So that means that's not the route.
Speaker 2:And that's like I said, sometime in June I did this prayer thing and then, like I said, it wasn't like a prayer like Hail Mary full of grace or our father, it wasn't like that. It was literally like there has to be an answer and I'm willing to receive it. And so the feeling became that if I were to receive it it would be a heavy cross to bear and I would have to bear it, but it would work. And it was weird it was, but it was a feeling.
Speaker 2:So I still have to this day. Like I have feelings and I am not clairvoyant, I have nothing like that, like I cannot tell you what's going to happen tomorrow or anything like that. But this was just a feeling, and I get those kinds of things and it can just be. Like you know, feeling can come over me, like I'm cleaning the house or something. I feel like come over me about something, but it was like that, it was just a feeling. There was no words, it was talking to me. So I don't have schizophrenia or anything like that, but it was just a feeling. And then it was you know, go down to your office and see if they're still there, and so they online. Now it's 2010. I've just spent the last six years and probably about $750,000. So my husband at the time who's my ex-husband now? Um, because of all this, so, uh, anyway, he was. He was like I don't want to hear about diets, I don't want to hear about protocols, I don't want to hear about anything. Yeah, I'm just done with the whole thing. He was done and, of course, it's my son. I can never be done. I just I can't. So, um, anyway, so I started to research it, just on my own. I get on my tablet. I would just research it.
Speaker 2:And chlorine dioxide opens a viral envelope destroying the virus. It it kills parasites. It malaria destroys in the blood. It's a gas, it goes everywhere. It's not uh, it's not reduced to just the veins or the gut. Um, it's antibacterial, it's antifungal, it neutralizes heavy metals. It takes down body inflammation. It passes the blood brain barrier. I'm like, oh my God, this is a you know, this is a cure for autism. This is a thing Right and so. But I'm like he doesn't want to talk about any of this anymore and I'm like we you know, we were already, like you know, done, like it was, like you know we were, we were done and actually it was 2010. That was like the halfway point of our marriage. It was like it was over. We were just fighting all the time and, you know, nobody wanted to talk about anything that I want to talk about, as far as you know, recovery.
Speaker 2:So I kind of just kept researching it on my own and looking I had that, but I wasn't giving it. I was researching it still and it was just perfect. I mean still and it was just perfect. I mean I was reading testimonials and this kind of stuff. So I go to the clinic one day in August. So now I'm like you know, a month and a half or so has passed and Patrick is about to turn 10 on the 12th of August.
Speaker 2:So just before that I'd go to my clinic and I had a hyperbaric chamber, two and a half ton chamber. Out of the chamber was popping the cousin of the best friend of the father of my kids and his girlfriend. They came out and they're Mexican and I'm like, hey, how are you guys doing? And they didn't give me the traditional kiss on the cheek. So Mexicans usually kiss on the cheek or a hug, and kiss on the cheek. They're like we're taking MMS. I'm like, wow, because that's what they used to call it, chloridax. And I'm like, oh my God, I've been investigating it for two months and you know Memo won't hear it and I don't know what to do. And blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh, it's great, you know we're feeling great and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, oh my gosh, can you come to the house? They're like, yeah, sure, we'll come over. Like they were so stoked it was insane. So they come, you know everything's great. And like he's excited and he was like sure, you know, we'll take it. If we don't die, we'll give it to Patrick. So of course, we had very low criteria. But they were talking about how they're doing seminars in the Dominican Republic, how this guy, jim Humble, founded it, you know, curing malaria and the, you know the, the, the deep jungle of of of South America, and how they're taking it and how great they're feeling. And so he's like okay, so we'll start, you know.
Speaker 2:So we started taking it right around the 10th birthday of Patrick, and then um came the time to start giving it to Patrick, and Patrick was a 10 year old who weighed a hundred pounds, and I didn't know how to give it. But I found an email for Jim Humble and his church they call it a church at the time. Anyway, um, so I, I, I, I'm like I have this clinic. You know I'm writing this email to Jim. I'm like I have this clinic. I do conferences around the world, in Latin America. Hey, can you like help me? I don't know how to dose it for kids, cause everything on the internet is for adults. And then, um, I finally, a couple of days later, get an email back from, from Mark Grennan, who he and Mark Grennan and Jim Humboldt started.
Speaker 2:Really it was just trying to get protection, which doesn't work anyway, because if they want you, they're coming for you, no matter what you say you're hiding behind. Yeah, so they told, jim sent me an email and it said you know, 25 pound child one drop, eight times a day. A 50 pound child two drops, eight times a day. 100 pound child three drops, eight times. Okay, he's 100 pounds three drops, eight times. So this one day I start with the three drops and you see the drops, you're like come on, that's, that's not going to do anything, you know like, ah, whatever. So I'm, you know, three drops, three drops, three drops, three drops.
Speaker 2:By the afternoon, projectile vomiting happens and we're all like whoa, that's crazy. But now understanding detox. So of course we just finished six years of detox. So there had been vomiting, there had been, you know, rashes, there had been sleepless nights, there had been a lot of diarrhea or you know whatever. So it wasn't like out of the norm for biomedical interventions. Or even, you know, chemo and radiation, I mean, it caused you know that kind of stuff too. So I mean any kind of an intervention against a toxin or pathogen or an invading thing in the body can cause that. So wasn't really freaked out.
Speaker 2:He just stopped it, gave him his dinner and that night it was around nine o'clock and I was in the TV room with him. We were alone and I'm reading a book and he's on his, his touchscreen computer. He's jumping up and down, flapping, and he turns to me at nine o'clock at night, which he's never done. He says I want bed. And I was like Whoa. And then I thought to myself, oh, I'm hearing things like that. That didn't happen, I'm just hearing things. And so I just said okay, and he started up the stairs to his bedroom and I was like okay, and then I would get there and he turns to me, he looks me in the eyes like and he's like I want take bath.
Speaker 2:So Patrick at that point could ask for like I want go walk or I want car, like that point. You know, with the diet and some of the intervention like hyperbarics helped. But I mean, we were still like screaming and we were still at all kinds of insanity going on. At that point I was like wow, that was amazing Because you know, you know I went to bed. It was like well, he's never asked for that and actually, like during Christmas or New Year's or something, we had the family over and you know we would stay up late. He would stay up until one or two in the morning. I mean, he would just be standing there flapping, jumping in you know. You know, moving his touchscreen computer around. He was a big youtuber, uh. So anyway, that was like you know he could do that, but it was nine o'clock at night, like a totally typical time to be heading to bed.
Speaker 2:And then, as I was, as I was drying him off after that bath I didn't want to take bath and I peeled the towel, and I'll never forget this. I have a terrible memory, but some of the things like, are etched in my brain as I peel it back. His eyes meet my eyes. There was no veil of autism and he was smiling with that spark in his eye again and I was like, oh my gosh. And everybody always told me your son's a non-responder and all that kind of stuff. But from that day, which was sometime in August 2010, my son has never lost that eye contact and we went, we went up from there.
Speaker 2:So then I opened my clinic back up after summer and people are like, oh my gosh, what are you doing with Patrick? I'm like, well, there's this doctor who sells these drops and here's this number. You know, some people are buying and they're like, okay, what do I do with it? Tell me what to do. I'm like, ah, I'm like, how do I figure this out? And so then I started to have the idea of, like, breaking it up into like a baby bottle. You know, starting with one drop, taking one ounce every 45 minutes to an hour, and then, by breaking it up, you're getting one 16th of a drop, because it only lasts in your body for 45 minutes, so you just replace it every 45 minutes and by December of 2010, four kids recovered. So, like, literally like four months after Patrick started taking his first drop, there were four recoveries.
Speaker 1:Explain recovery Like what give paint a picture, you go from being autistic.
Speaker 2:Where you have no eye contact, you don't speak, you are having poor social conduct, poor behaviors, sleeplessness, diarrhea, constipation, eating disorders, this kind of stuff to totally typical, like any other child. That is typical that doesn't have a diagnosis of anything. And I remember getting one close to Christmas from a mother from Spain, because I mostly did everything in Spanish at that. I did everything in Spanish at that point and a mother from Spain. They'd actually come to do hyperbarics at my clinic and I was doing the CD. I'm like, okay, here, do this stuff. So they started doing both things at one time. So like two, three months later, this child, she was higher, functioning by that point and, um, she lost her diagnosis.
Speaker 2:In the in the title of the email the subject line was recovered girl and so I, I started reading it and the psychologist, the people that gave her her diagnoses, were like, well, she probably didn't have it to begin with, you know, but she doesn't have autism and she was a child that was like really anti-social, poor eye contact at that point. She had speech, but it wasn't appropriate speech. Uh, she only ate blended food, like she wouldn't. She had, you know, big sensory issues and stuff. And within three months she was recovered and but again, she'd been doing diet and they'd been doing biomedical intervention, so she was better, but she wasn't recovered. And then, by the time february came, there were 38 kids recovered, because then I, by that time I had been six months working, you know, but through emails, with families mostly in Spain and Latin America.
Speaker 2:So I said I have to go to the Dominican Republic and I have to meet Jim, I have to give him a hug and I have to tell him thank you, and actually my PowerPoint presentation is still online. It's like, oh my God, it's so old, but it was the one that I dedicated to Jim, and so, anyway, I went there. It was February of 2011. It's a Dominican Republic, I mean. It was like, anyway, we lived through that one, thank God, because it was like right on the Haiti border and got to meet Jim and Mark and other people that were taking a course learning how to use chlorine dioxide at the time and of course I just I said I'll, I'll do a presentation on autism for your people and, uh, spend the week there and we'll go home. So that was kind of it.
Speaker 2:You know, I didn't can't tell you.
Speaker 2:I learned a whole lot of new stuff there, but I went there to share with other people what I, what I was doing and how it was working and that kind of, of course, to say thank you to Jim for having walked that walk for a really long time, because it's a really difficult path. You know, they, they, they treat you either like you're crazy or they treat you like a villain, and quite the opposite is true. And of course, like Dr Stephanie Seneff said in her you know her glyphosate book, you know, one of the things is that chlorine dioxide will break down glyphosate into useful molecules and then the body will get rid of it naturally, like that, like it will use it up and get rid of it. So they don't want us to know that. I mean, and I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but you know if you're affecting one in 31 kids and you're not looking at the one thing, that every child across the world you know like every single country in the world has the same exact vaccine policy.
Speaker 1:How's that possible?
Speaker 2:Who controls the world? It's not Putin, trump, macron, name them, it's not them. Somebody controls all the stuff that's happening because otherwise we wouldn't have all masked up and we wouldn't have all been jabbed with the same stuff. So at that point we have to take a look at what we're doing and it's really important to me to try to end the epidemic. And I've had, unfortunately, I've had so many attacks, whether it was, you know, internet attacks, or my house has been swatted by 15 police, but on that, on that warrant to come into my house was the troll who motivates all this kind of stuff. And you know, it makes you wonder, like, what's the motivation? Are you just a crazy psychopath, troll, online terrorist? Or are you paid? And you know this troll, for example, has free housing from their government and they got a bunch of kids and they, you know they tow the line of. You know what the promotion of the flag is and all that kind of stuff. So you know, make sure you say to yourself this is not organic, because if you go online they do that bleach queen and all this kind of stuff. But if you look for a damaged family, like a family like, oh my kid, there's nothing like that. No child has ever been harmed. Actually, no person's ever been harmed by chlorine dioxide.
Speaker 2:So, that said, you know it's just these attacks and slander and defamation of character which you know. It's just these attacks and slander and defamation of character which you know. If you know, maybe if I was an attorney it would be a lot easier. If maybe I had a close friend or family member that was an attorney, it might be very different. But of course, you know attorneys are extremely expensive, especially like on the international front, and you know getting things done internationally is very, very difficult. But it is definitely defamation of character and it's it's illegal. What's happened to me?
Speaker 1:defamation of character and it's. It's illegal. What's happened to me, man? No kidding. Well, it's fascinating that you had that. I'll just call it premonition or that sense of you're about to find something that really will help your son and you're going to take a lot of flack for it when you learn about it and use it and yeah to to be able to grow to as much as you did with that big of a following on Facebook or that many people being helped 5,000 recovered kids, 100,000 people that are reversing this problem.
Speaker 2:10 languages, 60 moderators. It was 13 languages and there were 60 moderators and it was like Russian and Portuguese and Spanish and English, arabic. I'm trying to think what other languages there were, but we had so many languages, it was unbelievable. Italian, because my books translate in Italian, arabic. I'm trying to think what other languages there were, but we had so many languages. It was, it was unbelievable. I'm leaving Italian, so my books translated in Italian.
Speaker 2:Turkish, my books translated into Turkish and I told you there's probably one in Chinese, because my book, I know was you know, was you know, pirated and somebody told me that it was translated into into Chinese and I was like, oh, please, please, send me just to see what it looks like. It'd be so cool. But they never sent me the PDF of it, so I never got to see it. But I I'm sure that there there's a group Cause I've seen somebody sent me something about it, but I lost all my groups due to this troll. You know, they just started saying that they're harming kids and bleach and all that kind of stuff. So my groups came down, but there's still, like right now, there's other people that can have. I put up a teddy bear, you know, with a different face or something like that. Just that name is blocked immediately. So yeah, it's. It's pretty, pretty bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you've you lived through what worse version of the censorship? And so I guess I wanted you to tell that part of the story, just because I wanted people to have some context for what they might find on the internet as they try to research autism or, at this point, any health topic is, as you know, google and the organic search is basically dead and they're just marketing appendages of the medical cartel rather than search engine. So is there anywhere or any way that you would tell people if they want to do research or where to go to find this kind of support that you used to be able to offer?
Speaker 2:Telegram.
Speaker 1:Telegram.
Speaker 2:I'm in Telegram Carrie Rivera 2025. So we just keep updating the last number and that's where my groups are. But you know, these are just hit pieces they're doing like Vice Magazine or Guardian or Independent or any of these. They're just hit pieces that they're doing and they're regurgitating the information that's being delivered to them by the same, you know, troll and I don't know. I kind of believe that this person is a psychopath because they, you know, they're on me, they're on Scientology, they're on different people and they go that way. So that's it's unpleasant and it's unfortunate because children are losing their lives and there's very few resources for parents to actually get their children better or recovered. So it's really unfortunate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they made sure that I lost my Facebook. They tried to take my Instagram again the other day, which my Instagram is so generic. It's just like oh, carnivore diet, low glutamate diet. You know I've got the diet stuff on there, so I don't really have anything, and then from there, you know, we can send people to Telegram and things like that. I have no Facebook. They don't allow my name on Facebook and they froze my accounts. I'm sure people are like private messaging me and I'm not answering back, but this I lost my bank account at chase and you know, kind of like the standard eBay is gone, amazon's gone, book came down, um, that kind of stuff. So you know it gets old, but at the same time, when you're over the target, I think that that's one of the most important things to know that you're over the target. And when you're watching the children getting their lives back, it's like you know there's always going to be dark when there's light, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, for example, I had my house raided in Germany in 2021. And on the search warrant was the troll's name saying that I harmed two children in Germany. I never worked with the German family. My book is in German. There's no reason to work with the German family. If my book is in German. The heater's really hot, so anyway.
Speaker 2:So I knew that nothing happened, but they still raided the house and of course, that became like oh, had her house raided in Germany? What they failed to say two and a half years later, the investigation phase that never became a case because they couldn't find enough evidence that I did any wrongdoing. They let the investigation go because they couldn't do anything. Yes, it cost me money. Yes, it did, but guess what? I was vindicated because I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 2:There was no child harm, there was no complaint by a family against me, just some troll from another country saying, oh, this person is bad. All they do is they slander you, they defame you. So now I look like this bad person because I had my house swatted. Really, what that was all about that was just, you know, someone like sending them to me and eventually they got tired of listening to like, ok, let's go see what's going on over at this house, and they took all of my computers, all of my cell phones, all that kind of stuff. Ok, so so you, you, you were successful in having my life interrupted. Yeah, or a crime without a victim.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but it had everything to do with just you know, just trying to create something like look, this person's house was raided. They must be really bad, kind of like guilty by association. But what's failed to mention? Two and a half years later the German government came back and said sorry, it's over. You know you didn't do anything wrong. We find no wrong doing Case. That case investigation closed. It was never a case.
Speaker 1:They just never, two and a half years, couldn't find anything wrong. Well, guess what? Probably nothing was wrong. Your troll is not broadcasting your vindication, I'm confident Of course not, of course not.
Speaker 2:And that's why Vice Magazine, if you look for me in Google, which is Google is not a search engine, people. I mean it used to be. You know, maybe 15 years ago it was a search engine. It is no longer a search engine. You have to go to Brave or Startpage or something else if you want to actually find information about something important, or you know that. And even AI. Now I know somebody put in like chat, GPT or AI, one of those kind of things they put in chlorine dioxide or something, and it said like it came up like a dangerous bleach or something ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, friends, that's what you will find if you search the Internet, which implies so many other things that who's controlling search, who's controlling agendas, and heaven forbid we have something as inexpensive to your point Like this can't work because it's not expensive, right, and sure enough it does for so many things, and that's part of why you'd say you're over the target, because this has the potential to do away with the need for so many other interventions, because we're actually getting to the root cause of what happened.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And then, you know, after COVID and Andreas Kalkar made a big push he's another chlorine dioxide person, a big push in Bolivia actually adopted chlorine dioxide. He went there, gave a presentation about what it was. During COVID, the government started giving it away free on the streets to the people, Like they'd just take bottles already prepared and they would drink them. And they were getting people, you know, off of respirators, they were getting them out of their deathbeds, and so the government created a law stating that they can use chlorine dioxide for the treatment of COVID. And then, of course, all the pressure from all the other countries in South America and they shut that law down and then it was back to being bad. But of course, they, they, they managed to, you know heal, you know tens of thousands, a hundred thousand, and well, they gave away two Olympic size swimming pools of it. So I don't know how many, you know, cause I'm one of my friends, she's a doctor in Bolivia and she's like we gave, you know, they would just go to the street. The doctors would go to the street, they would keep taking it, they would go to the street and they would just give these bottles of chlorine dioxide away. Um, so that's how people started to hear about it. So now we're in 2025, there's a huge movement.
Speaker 2:And Jim Humble, who started the whole thing, he said to me one day he used to live with me and my family in Mexico in 2012. And he said to me they hate you more than they hate me because you work with children and that's very true. Like, as an adult, you can take whatever you want. You can take a heroin, you can take a fentanyl, you can take meth, whatever you want to take, Right, and that's your problem. But when it comes to children, that's when people get like, you know, feisty. Well, you know, when our children are are harmed and we have to help them to heal, we have to look for options, because that that uh, mainstream medicine caused the problem. They don't have the treatment to recover the person. All they do is have drugs that mask the symptoms of autism. So that's why healing the symptoms known as autism came to be my first book, and now my second book is just basically CD protocol, and CD protocol is a much thinner version of the book, and so people can just like get in there, get started. And it's really cool too, because when they get the book.
Speaker 2:The people are like, oh, I've already started the diet and we're on drop number this and he's already doing well, and then. And then I'm like, oh, it's so cool, you know, because you know you can do it from home, you don't have to come to see me. It's like I'll support you we have support groups, whatever but you know you're going to do it at home anyway. That's why, when I had the clinic towards the end, I had a biomedical clinic with an IV nurse and I had a doctor of hyperbarics there and psychologists doing ABA therapy and stuff like that. I closed the clinic while I had some death threats and you know it was like not a really good idea to just be a sitting duck. But besides that, by then I was already working with chlorine dioxide and there's just no need. You know you're going to do it at home or you're not going to do it at home, so there's no need for you to come to me for me to help you do something that you're going to have to go home and do anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what a story. You've found the, I guess, the root what I love about interacting with you you work at a root cause level. Like what we do mostly for adults you're doing for kids. You're saying there's this diseased tree, there's something's poisoning this person and that person, like if you have crops you're growing and they're not growing well, they're either poisoned or there's not enough in the soil to get them well, and it's really just fixing those two things.
Speaker 1:And you found a potent detoxification agent to Stephanie Seneff's point that will actually disassemble glyphosate, which is a toxin none of us can get away from, and you can heal the gut and then you can heal them. It's just remarkably simple once you get the foundation of how to heal the body. So let's transition a little bit to the work you're doing today. So last time you and I talked you mentioned an ATEC score and just kind of I want people to picture what this journey's like. I heard you say in a different interview that treating or healing autism is a lot of work. So dial us in on what you mean by that. And if there's a parent with an autistic kid listening and they're thinking, oh my gosh, what am I signing up for? Help them picture this journey a little bit.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a lot of stuff that you have to do, and so my journey, one of the people in my journey, like I said, there's kind of earth angels or people that came to me at the right time. So when I was in, I was in San Diego in 20, 2006, january of 2006, uh, doing hyperbarics with my son and the owner of the clinic. His name was Bob Sands. He's since passed away and he actually wrote a chapter of my first book and, um, so I was telling him one day I'm like, oh, cause I was in San Diego for those 20 days doing hyperbarics, and I said, oh, you know, back in the day I probably would have wanted to meet, like Mick Jagger or, you know, the guys from ACDC or something like that.
Speaker 2:But now I really would love to meet Dr Bernard Rimland, who started all of the biomedical stuff and he wrote the first book in 1964 called infantile autism, where he said it's not the refrigerator mother, there's something. Something, there's some toxicity, there's something wrong, because my wife we have three children and she's a great mother to all three, so it's not that she was cold to to to our son we have three children and she's a great mother to all three. So it's not that she was cold to our son and he was the executive producer on Rain man, dr Bernard Rimland. So I'm like he's just for me, like you know everything. And what he did I mean he actually worked, he was looking for the answer oh my gosh, if he would have known about chlorine dioxide he would have had like another 10 years on his life, just like so excited, so excited. But anyway, unfortunately the good ones, the good ones go when you know, maybe sometimes it's not the right time, I don't know what anyway. So and they're doing hyperbarics and I tell Bob that and he's like Bernie, you want to meet Bernie? Bernie's a good friend of mine, dr Bernard Rimland, and I'm like, oh my gosh, really. So he comes to, he comes to work and he was a, he was a Aussie, he was a spicy Aussie and older guy and but he was a contemporary of Dr Rimland.
Speaker 2:And the office for Autism Research Institute which Dr Rimland started in 1970 was close by, it was on Adam it's still on Adam Street and so it wasn't too far away from where Bob's clinic was for hyperbarics. And so he comes into the office one day and he said, and I'm doing chamber morning and night, morning and night. And he says on wednesday, tomorrow, he's like we're going for lunch with bernie and gloria, dr, mrs rimland, I'm like, oh my, you know, like I was so excited, like you're getting me. And I'm like, oh my god, what am I just? I'm my, um, uh, the father, my kids, his best friend had let me his house in his car and they had several houses and several cars, but he would let me that while I was there.
Speaker 2:And so I'm, do you think you could lend me a maid? So the maid has made watch my kids while I went for lunch with Dr Rillin and Mrs Rimland and, of course, bob. So we're driving in his Jaguar and he's got this E-type Jag and he's just a colorful character and I'm like, I'm like Bob, what am I going to say? And there's a picture of me on the internet. I'm like I'm an all black, I'm in pantyhose, it's like Southern California. I look so stupid. But I was so excited I didn't even know what to put on. So I went to like Marshall's and bought a you know name brands for less about a suit and hose and shoes. So I'm in the car with Bob. I'm like I don't know comes you're going to say what can I do for dan, which is defeat autism?
Speaker 1:now, it's no longer because?
Speaker 2:because the dan divers networks, you know got funky with them so they had to change it. But and so okay, so we're having lunch and we're talking, and he's talking about, you know, detox patches and and oxygen, you know, and all that kind of stuff, because dr rimland was just his focus in life. He was 79 time. His focus in life was to find the answers to recover the kids, because he knew that they weren't. They weren't coming like this, they were getting him. So he knew that there was solutions and by that time there were still a lot of doctors that were, you know, like in 1970s when he opened the autism research institute people from all over the world and he had written that book. You know, early, um early, he had written the book.
Speaker 1:Infantile.
Speaker 2:Autism. So all these emails, all these letters, physical letters, were coming to him, people from Sweden saying, oh, I'm giving my kid fish oil and they're doing great Gluten-free diet, they're doing great Magnesium and B6, they're doing great. So he started to compile everything and then he started to reach out. He was a naval psychiatrist, so he was a an MD, and so he started to reach out to other other doctors that would be interested in investigating, like what's different about our kids. You know how you know testing and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, you know he was, he was all about whatever could work and that was part of the conversation, you know, whatever was working at the time and whatever new stuff might help, like the hyperbarics that Bob was doing. And so then came my time and I said you know how can I help? And he said you can translate the protocol and you can take it to Latin America. And I was like I was on the floor at that time.
Speaker 1:I'm like moi, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:So so I'm like, okay, so we go back to his office and he's giving me documents, he's inviting me to take physician training courses with them and all this kind of stuff, because I had the clinic already but nobody knew in Latin America what to do. So I went to the courses, I went to the trainings, I would travel and learn all this kind of stuff. And during that time he had cancer at that time. So he was doing hyperbarics with Bob, for his prostate Cancer is getting chemo and radiation, so he said, and by the end of November he passed away from the treatments and everything. But before he passed away he was on his deathbed and I gave the translation of the damn protocol to him. So he, when he did pass away, he wrote me a nice letter and you know, you know all the stuff that I was doing biomedically in Latin America and it was, it was very nice, and he went with his heart to his grave, you know, knowing that we were also taking his message into Latin America and into Spanish, you know.
Speaker 2:So that was, that was, you know, kind of the beginning of that. But he was, um, yeah, for me that was a really big turning point because then I was like Latin America. You know I'm thinking like Mexico, or even the city I live in or the state I live in or something, but it was taking it to Latin America. And now I've worked with families in 81 countries. So not only do we take it to Latin America, we took it to every continent on the globe and there are children recovered all around the world, which is just a huge blessing to know that it is. You know, if there's an epidemic, we know that it is not just something that is coming organically into the lives of these children. Something is happening. Why didn't it exist before 1940s, when they started with these type of you know, forestry programs where they're dumping a bunch of toxins and things like that into the waters and into the ground?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I have some of his. You're starstruck for Bernie. I feel that way, just being able to talk to you because you've lived this so much and seen so many of these things and it's just like the way any of us would want to go is how he went, like you're doing meaningful work, that you're doing your best to contribute and knowing that you're going to turn it over to capable hands when you're done with it. And in many ways, his legacy lives through you. So well done and keep it up. So, all right, tell us a little bit about this ATEC score and how you've used that as a tool to help families just kind of get their head around what this process of healing is like.
Speaker 2:Well, Dr Rimling created the ATEC score. Atec stands for Autism Treatment Evaluation Checklist. It's free, Anybody can use it, so you can go to autismorg. At the top right corner it says ATEC, Click on it and then it says take the ATEC now. It's in 26 different languages and I always recommend people do it in their own mother tongue, Because even I speak fluent Spanish when I try to do it in Spanish, because there's a lot of double negatives and stuff like my child does this sometimes, rarely, never, you know or doesn't do this or anyway. So what it does is it gives the parents a tool. It's kind of like going on a diet. You know you don't get on the scale, you don't know how much you weigh, so you don't know how much you've lost. Well, autism treatment evaluation checklist.
Speaker 2:A zero ATEC means fully recovered neurotypical, like every other child who doesn't have a diagnosis of any kind, just typical going about their lives. So typically when you go in to do the ATEC, you're going to find like, for example, they have the speech part, you know, speaks one word, two words, puts words together, conversational, not conversational. Then the next one is like behaviorals, you know, hits themselves, whatever. Then the other one is like toileting and self-care. There's five different parts and you know one of them is like social and this kind of thing. So it's really beautiful because I have the families do it every 90 days. We do it before we start and then we do it every 90 days, Like even before we start the diet. We do it and it's important to measure whatever protocol you're doing. If you're not doing money, it's free for anybody and you can go there right now and just do it. You know, just do it for yourself. You know, even like that, but a zero, a tech is, you know, perfectly healthy, typical person, there's no issues whatsoever. And I've seen thousands of children go from, you know, like headbanging, screaming, biting, yelling, nonverbal, to a zero ATEC where they take no CD, they take no diet, they do nothing of the protocol anymore.
Speaker 2:And I have some of my parents one of my moms she lives in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, where I lived all the time and her son. He just graduated from high school and he has the best university in Latin America offering him scholarships. Like he's just fine, he's just fine, I had, I, uh had his. I celebrated his birthday with him and his mom and other friends of their family two years ago and I sat across from him and it was like I didn't cry, it was so powerful, it was so wonderful just to watch this human being and he's, he's lovely, Like he's not even you know, I mean, he's just lovely, he's a, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 2:And his mom's like, oh, this is Carrie, and she recovered Matias, and blah, blah, blah. And she's going on and on and I'm like maybe you shouldn't say that, Maybe like Matias doesn't want people to hear that. And Matias is like, yeah, mom, you know she's. And I was like, oh, my God, this kid, he's just, you know, he's not even embarrassed or anything like that. No, he's fine, he's like, yeah, I was like that, you know. And he remembers when he couldn't, couldn't converse Cause he said he, he, he, he had in his mind what he was trying to say but it wasn't coming out and then he would, he would tantrum and this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So, um, and she was a single mom. So people think, oh, you have to be rich to do it or you have to be. She was a single mom who worked and she made very little money and with my clinic I tried to offset the cost of supplements and things like that, Because I did have friends who donated to my clinic Mostly they were my friends that made donations. They'd come to Mexico and they'd be like, oh my God, you're so crazy, here's money for your kids, you know. But come to Mexico and they'd be like, oh my God, you're so crazy, here's money for your kids, you know. Um, but they saw what was happening. I mean, it was a real clinic and we're really helping people, and so that was very motivational.
Speaker 2:And I remember I had one girl, for example. She came into the hyperbarics because one of my friends donated money for the oxygen and, um, she was a child who had had uh seizures and she was having regular, regular seizures from the time she was around two until she did finished her hyperbarics and she went out of the chamber not having any more seizures whatsoever. So, like there's, there's even case like that child's. I've talked to the mother about four or five years ago and she's probably 20 now. She's not recovered, but she has no epilepsy whatsoever and she lives a peaceful life and she's a peaceful child, adult now. And so, you know, there's the fully recovered where, like I said, I like Matthias or some of the other kids that are, you know, fully recovered and they got their lives back. And then there's some other kids are just leaving a lot better because they've gone through these treatment modalities.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, give your, give the listener a sense of where your son was, what was his score and what did you get it down to? How was he doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, my son, my son is not like people say well, you didn't recover your son. My son was like 147 ATEC, meaning he was like drooling, nonverbal, not sleeping, diarrhea, screaming, yelling. Like we went from, like you know he would walk towards traffic, like there was just you know, or yeah, I mean you know he had to be always accompanied. Or one time he even, like, let himself out of the house because he wanted to go get chips at the corner store. I mean like this kind of stuff was actually, yeah, crazy stuff.
Speaker 1:Danger to himself, yeah.
Speaker 2:Very dangerous.
Speaker 2:So we went from like something so incredibly severe to a guy who can you know order what he wants, take his you know care of his bathrooming and showering and dressing and all those kinds of things, um and uh, actually is able to to write in three languages, um, so he's yeah, so like that's really amazing stuff and of course, the sleep is perfect, the bowels are perfect, um, the eye contact is perfect.
Speaker 2:So there's a lot of stuff that's really really good and I believe I believe in God and I do also believe that stuff that's really really good and I believe in God and I do also believe that if my son had fully recovered, like ATEC zero, he's now finishing his PhD or whatever, and he got a girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever, I don't care. So whatever happened with him, then I would be not interested, I would be done, and there's not a lot of people that would keep doing this and of course, nobody knows and doesn't have the experience. So I was trained in all those biomedical interventions because Dr Rimland gave me that blessing and he always said you know, whatever she wants, she can take all the courses she wants. So I was trained, like the physicians, to treat.
Speaker 2:And so I understand profoundly the biomedical part of it. And then I went back to school for homeopathy and then, of course, I worked basically in naturopathy. I mean, I work with supplements and you know chlorine dioxide. And diet. Like you know, I remember when Patrick was young, like I told you about potato diet. Well, it took me a long time to figure it out and by 2020, I realized that there's glutamate, and this comes from the work of Dr Russell Blaylock. He's a retired neurosurgeon out of Texas, but his book was written in 1997, called Excitotoxins A Taste that Kills.
Speaker 2:So in 2020, I had a little time on my hands and so I started to reread one of his books. I'm like, oh my gosh, the reason the keto, the adapted keto diet for autism, is not working because the ketogenic foods like broccoli, cauliflower, almonds and berries are high in glutamate, and glutamate, if you have a leaky gut, will get into the brain, cause excitotoxins and destroy brain neurons. So then I was like, oh my gosh, that's why these kids are not. They're having these really low carbohydrate diets, but they're eating a lot of those foods you know almond flour, almond butter, almond milk. You know like, oh my gosh. So then I really, you know like, oh my gosh. So then I really, you know, did a deep dive into which foods were high in glutamate and not. Like I said, I saw most of those keto ones that the kids were eating to be high in glutamate.
Speaker 2:So then I wrote a book called low glutamate diet. It's all based on the work of russell blaylock, but he doesn't have a diet again. That was like 20 years ago, whatever 30 years at 97. So, okay, like 30 years ago. Uh, whatever 30 years at 97. So okay, like 30 years ago, uh. So he didn't have a diet, he was just stating how bad glutamate is. And I remember when I read the book the first time, I kind of I mean, I kind of skimmed, skimmed through it.
Speaker 2:It was like MSG is bad. Well, msg is bad, but naturally occurring glutamate in, like tomatoes and onions and berries and almonds and stuff like that. So, but I didn't focus on that Cause I was like, well, keto is good, or um, specific carbohydrates good, or like these kind of like labeled diets were good, but you have to look at each food and see what the properties are, like oxalate, high oxalate foods are bad and most of the high oxalate foods are also high glutamate foods. So I pulled all those out and the kids started getting a lot better. I was like, wow, this is great. So that's how I ended up writing the book on low glutamate.
Speaker 2:And then, during that process, I read a book and I think it was 2021, I believe 2021,. I read a book by Dr Sean Baker called the Carnivore Diet and you know he lives the carnivore lifestyle and all that kind of stuff and you know nobody was really talking about it, but you know he was just kind of appearing on, you know, on the, the, the health part, right, not not autism. So I read his book and I'm like I'm going to do that. So the 1st of January 2022, I started carnivore and my gosh, my guts felt great, I had good energy. And then my assistant says hey, carrie, and one of these groups is a mom and her daughter is this recovered child named Macarena and her daughter is uh, forget the name of the daughter off the top of my head anyway so Mariana. So Mariana is now recovered and her mom did your protocol with carnivore diet and there's other families from that same Latin American country that would like to start the diet. I said, okay, open the telegram group, just put all these you know these 38 families or whatever into it. And you know they're doing my protocol and they're going to do carnivore and you and I are going to watch them. We're gonna do the ATEC score when they start and we're going to do the ATEC score at three months. By three months, 10% had fully recovered Wow.
Speaker 2:And one of the kids who was not fully recovered had been severe, like I'd been working with the mom. He was ATEC was 120. So he was a screaming, nonverbal, not compliant, headbanging panda's child with autism. His ATEC went from 120 to 50. He started to speak. He stopped all the aggressive behavior. He slept through the night. He was quiet. I remember the next time I did a consultation with her he was just quiet. It used to be like between the screams we would be talking. The carnivore diet is the truest form of elimination diet, so it's just perfect. And, of course, beef is a meat that nobody nobody, unless somebody got that lime.
Speaker 1:Tick right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, nobody has an allergy to beef, so it's one of those, like you're, taking down all the allergens. It's an anti-inflammatory, it's so good for the gut and, of course, vegetarians. I've had people like the diet. But you know, when you think back about human history, what were we doing two, three million years ago? We were, like you know, chasing after mammoths and eating those and you know, sometimes we had berries to pick off the ground or something like that. But we were definitely not, like you know, munching back kale and spinach or any of these kind of shrub type plants, and we're not doing that. The animals were eating them and we were eating the animals. So we do come from a carnivore background.
Speaker 2:And then, if you get into carnivore, there was the very first documentary ever written, ever done was called Nanook of the North. It was done in the 1920s. So the Stephenson I forget his first name went to Baffin to watch the Inuit. They're a group of Eskimos that live up there and they've never eaten a fruit, a vegetable, a grain in their life. They only eat fatty meats like walrus or seal or salmon or polar bear or something like that. That's their whole diet. They had a rough life but anyway, he did document them and they were extremely healthy. Their bones were strong, their teeth were strong, they were strong and they would give, like the loins, like the filet mignon that were like, oh, that's so good. They would give that to the dog, to their pack, because dogs can't do fat.
Speaker 2:And humans need fat for their bodies to work properly and our brains to work properly. It's really the opposite of what they tell us. And all this cholesterol stuff like you have high cholesterol and then they put these people on these you know lowering cholesterol medications which they never stopped working, and of course that affects their brain, it affects their prostate. There's a whole lot of bad stuff happening with that kind of thing and of course you know, the Alzheimer's is high and dementia is high because of those drugs.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, so they in 1920s they had already seen that, and in the 1920s they were already. You know, another hospital was already looking at the benefits of a ketogenic diet, like with zero carbohydrates, which is basically what carnivore diet is. It's a perfect keto at zero carbs, and they were getting rid of epilepsy, they were reversing illnesses like the big C and all these other things, just by, you know, going zero carbohydrate and you can now, of course, it's a big thing, but so I see families with kids with autism that go carnivore. There's a lot of kids that like meat or, you know, bacon. That's healthy, it doesn't have nitrates or something like that, and it's amazing how fast the ATEC points drop. It's a matter of how. It's amazing how the symptoms of autism begin to disappear.
Speaker 1:Just with diet. Let me button up something on diet. Have you ever seen a vegetarian or vegan diet work for an autistic kid?
Speaker 2:I've never. I've never. I mean they get better. Okay, so get better. Like my kid was on potatoes, which is vegetarian and vegan. He got better, but eventually, you know, we did other dietary interventions that were better, but I mean, it's all he ate that wasn't gluten or casein, so what are you going to?
Speaker 1:do Give him something right.
Speaker 2:He didn't eat chicken, he didn't eat fish, he didn't eat beef, he didn't eat lamb, he didn't eat anything. He just ate, like you know carbs, you know gluten and casein and potatoes, Right on.
Speaker 1:Okay well, like me, I heard you mention in a different interview part of your philosophy is finding enough things that work together and doing them like they have made some similar benefit, but they start to overlap and create a synergy that is more than just any one thing. So paint kind of a holistic picture, because I've got a list of things like, whether it's detoxing your home or homeopathy, you're working on heavy metals, parasites. You know whether it's detoxing your home or homeopathy, you're working on heavy metals, parasites, gut cleansing, enemas. There's so many different things people can do. So give us kind of your holistic toolkit, if you will, of what you really. Obviously it's got to be personalized, but help the listener picture more of what this journey might be like.
Speaker 2:Right? Well, diet is. You know, the most important thing you're ever going to do is going to be the diet. And then the chlorine dioxide, because it destroys pathogens and it reduces inflammation and enemas. So I got really attacked about enemas. Now we used to do enemas before, like 1972 and Miralax and all these other things came up, but in 2011, families that I was working with in Spain, the person who was their provider of chlorine dioxide was telling them to do enemas, and so the parents were like, in this little group I don't know, I think it was a WhatsApp, I don't remember and the kids were doing really well with the enemas, like they were the ones that were like almost you know a tech nine, you know they were doing amazing.
Speaker 2:And then this one dad sent me this video and it was from you know the little potty chair and these long strandy things that were like coming down. He's like, look, look, look. Long strandy things that were like coming down. He's like, look, look, look, look, look with, like you know, plastic fork, like showing me. I'm like, oh my gosh, that must be candida. And so Jim Humble says you need to meet my friend, andreas Kalker. So Andreas and I had a Skype meeting. He was living in Spain, I was living in Mexico and he said, well, that stuff that you're seeing coming out of those enemas are parasites. And I'm like nobody in autism ever spoke of parasites and there was not a parasite on the horizon, like we absolutely started that fire. And so, anyway, I was like, wow, parasites it's. Don't worry, my wife and I are working on a protocol because she has parasites and you know, there's these certain things that we need. I'm like, okay, I'm waiting, you know. So then by the early 2012, it started the parasite protocols.
Speaker 2:But with the enemas, parasites were coming out and, of course, when you would do an enema, when you have the parasites in you, the body is absorbing all that toxicity and they're very neurotoxic. So there's like all these behaviors that are coming along with it. You do the enema, you rinse them out and happy child is back and more chatty and better eye contact and sleeping, great, and so it was helping the body to rid itself of the parents. They're very sticky, so they stick inside the intestines, they, they, they sometimes will stay behind. Or the biofilm chlorine docs will dissolve biofilm If you do enemas, because if you drink it it doesn't go like mouth to anus. It's not a tsunami, it's a gas, so it gets absorbed into the body. So you know that last part of the intestine it's not really having the benefits of, you know, the upper part of the body might be having, or the rest of the intestine. So that was you know.
Speaker 2:Hence the enemas and um, at first everything was fine and then the trolls showed up around 14 or 15. And again, you know, we had like a great, like four year run of just having recoveries and recoveries and, you know, the rest of the world finding out about this. So that was you know. And of course there's, you know, good and bad, because still where there's bad press at least is press. So there's been a lot of, you know, hit pieces on me, but that's also brought people into the movement. And, like I said, you know, since COVID I mean, there's just massive groups on Telegram. There's like one group of a hundred thousand, it's called're. Just you know everything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But everything is, you know, every illness, as you know. I mean they're, they're all kind of having the same root. You know like we're talking. You know Dr Holda Clark. She wrote books many, many years ago, like one was called a cure for cancer, one was called a cure for diabetes, they were all a cure for probably before you could actually say that, and everything was parasite. I mean, the book inside was the same but the outside of the book was, you know, cure for whatever it was, and it was all about parasites. But so she had talked about that years prior, but Andreas had identified it and then started that protocol. And then we just started doing his protocol for parasites, which was Mabendazole, stonebreaker and Castor Oil, which happens to get the parasites out of the gut.
Speaker 2:So now of course ivermectin is very popular. People are like why don't you use ivermectin? Because chlorine dioxide is a gas and it gets the ones in the blood. It's anti-malarial, so we don't need anything to go systemic. But in the gutter where you have these big suckers, and so the mabendazole is great stays mouth to anus. It doesn't go through the liver. So that's been a great one. And of course it's, you know, anti-tumoral. So that's why nobody wants to know about Mabenzol. That's why in the States and Canada you can't get it. But go to third world country. You can pick it up over the, you know, just at the pharmacy, like an aspirin, or you can order it online from India. They'll send it to anywhere. So that was that was kind of this whole kind of a change, you know. And again, just another reason to attack me. But it's been amazing.
Speaker 2:The enemas are fantastic and I have families that you know have older kids 19, 20, 26, whatever and they do enemas. You know they, because people used to do enemas. It was like purges. Like you know, the grandmother used to give the kids castor oil. They used to give them, uh, cod liver oil or you know what was that other one that was really popular, mineral oil, I think it was called. It was so disgusting. Our parents used to give that to us. You know that kind of thing. So, but but that was, you know, we used to do purges and and of course, you know, I know my ex-mother-in-law, because her mother was from the ranch and in mexico and and she used to purge her kids, I don't know a few times a year. She's's like, oh, I should get all this stuff and you know whatever, but you know that would get rid of the parasites. And, of course, now we have something simple you take a tablet of Mabendazole and presto, change-o, everything's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, that's such simple things. You've got changing how you eat. Just take out toxic food, you add chlorine dioxide and let it do its thing. You do some enemas, and so those are. We got three major levers there.
Speaker 2:Are there any other things that you really fall back on as like this tends to nudge and kick it into another year of healing, absolutely. So some of the things that I do is like increasing the stomach acid with betaine hydrochloric acid tablets, because if you have low hydrochloric acid, one is you're not digesting food. So parents are always telling me oh, you know, it's coming out the way that it went in. You know corn or whatever they're eating which they shouldn't eat corn, but you know the food is going undigested out the other end. Um, that shows low hydrochloric acid in the stomach. And and if you are low hydrochloric acid, you cannot absorb the b vitamins, the minerals, the amino acids from the foods to begin with. So literally you are just it out. And that's why a lot of the doctors are having our kids take a lot of B vitamins, a lot of minerals, and their levels are never changing in the labs because they don't have the hydrochloric acid. They don't understand it. And this goes back to the work of Dr Jonathan Wright. He wrote a book by it. It's online somewhere called why stomach acid is good for you. It's a small little book and it's fantastic. Dr Roby Mitchell, rest in peace, told me about that. He got me into that.
Speaker 2:Lithium orotate's a big winner. It helps to balance oh my gosh circadian rhythms and and and Focus concentration, lower anxiety. And these are not medications. These are not dangerous medications, they're minerals. I use humic fulvic because there's a whole host of stuff that it does. You know 77 minerals. Takes heavy metals out of the brain. It kills pathogens in the blood. Everything is bioavailable. It's wonderful, wonderful.
Speaker 2:Black seed oil soothes the gut. You know we've got this itis, a lot of itis, from mouth to anus. We have a lot of itis in there. So the black seed oil is just soothing, helps to kill pathogens as well. Breaks down biofilm, helps to detoxify the cells, because we also have to get the bacteria and virus that are living inside of the cell out of the cell. We have to firewall the cell as well. Got to get your inflammation down. And some of this stuff seems redundant, like I know, like the structured silver, which is not colloidal silver, the black seed oil, the chlorine dioxide, the lithium orotate, the methylene blue and some of these. They're all kind of redundant, yet they do the same sort of things in their own sort of way with their own individual extra benefits. But otherwise, like I remember Jim Humble used to tell me he's like ah, you can cure autism in three weeks. You don't need anything else.
Speaker 2:I'm like you can't but anyway autism is really complex and of course, it takes place at the most, the most important developmental time in a human being's life. That's when we're just changing all the time and we're getting hit. And so now, what the other thing with with autism is, every month that the child is out of commission, they're losing the social capacity that you know, they're losing things. So time is not on our side. We cannot like like all parents. So it'd be like well, my kid's going to be like like in, like January. Well, you know he, she's going to be on vacation in June, so why don't I just start it in June? I'm like you're going to lose six more months. Are you kidding me? So you know time is of the essence. We got to get busy and we've got to get weight. The parents would be like well, you know, we're pretty good on the diet, he, he. I'm like that's not he, that's like you've. Just you're accepting the sentence of life, sentence that autism will be in your child until they die at the age of 80 or whatever. I mean there's not even a shortened lifespan or anything like that. It's they're going to live a long time. Who's going to take care of them when you're gone. We have to move faster.
Speaker 2:And of course, there's other things like speech supplements, gaba, magnesium, dmg, taurine, theanine, 5-htp there's a lot of different things that are very useful for that as well. Or moppers. You know, like you use a charcoal mopper, use an H7 to get rid of the ammonia. And then, of course, our chelators bentonite, clay baths, zeolite, and there's a lot of different methods, but I prefer the liquid nanos because they can get into the bloodstream and pass the blood brain barrier. Edta is very important. It's a general heavy metal chelator and the nice thing about chlorine dioxide because it neutralizes heavy metals. You can use liquid chelators that are nano that will go and pick it up, like you don't need to do IVs, you don't need to do you know anything, like you don't have to fly across the world to do these kind of crazy things and um, that's kind of it.
Speaker 2:And then there's the you know hyperbaric chamber or um, oh my gosh, there's, you know, there's like some some zany stuff, like there's a study about nicotine patches and be like yeah, but smoking is bad for you, I'm like I'm not telling you to start smoking.
Speaker 2:So the work by dr brian, artist. And of course, there's that study about aggressive autism from the I think it's the NIH, where they did a study with aggressive autism, and they use nicotine patches so the nicotine is absorbed into the bloodstream. It firewalls the cell because all cells have nicotinic receptors on the outside and that keeps the bacteria and virus from getting onto the cell and getting into the cell. Because that's why I I'll see families that have done like IV antibiotics, or six months or 10 months, or three, four years of antibiotics, because their child's now diagnosed with, with pandas as well, which is strep bacteria, and the children are really not a lot better and of course their guts, you know, just being destroyed and the problem is that the bacteria goes into the cell and it can wait out the period of antibiotics and then, when the antibiotics end, out comes the bacteria and you see it again. But now you see it worse because any good flora that was even remotely left over is gone.
Speaker 2:And the proliferation of the bacteria now becomes unstoppable and the immune system is shot because of the, you know, destroying whatever the gut flora was even left over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a shame that antibiotics are kind of handed out like candy and they're the side effects or the downstream problems that come from them just are so overlooked. So I'm glad you pointed that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, devastating actually to our community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think you've mentioned, even in a different interview, that one of the potential reasons for autism without a vaccine in the equation is just too many antibiotics too soon. That can wreck the human frame and the body's ability to detox itself. So yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:I've even seen, you know, I've even seen so. For example, I just took a case this week of pandas non-vaccinated pandas pediatric autoimmune neuro disorder associated with streptococcal infection and, um, the child started having symptoms of pandas, meaning, like you know, defiance and and meltdowns and all this kind of difficult behavior after a surgery adenoids. I don't remember what the surgery was, but after surgery and I've seen also I've also seen cases where children had to go in for like nine months or 12 months for like, uh, they had, they were having an infection, so they ended up doing cesarean, they ended up doing a circumcision. There were two kids that were one of my facebook groups back in 2012 and neither one of those children were vaccinated, but both had this like emergency kind of a circumcision thing because of a, an infection. They came out of the surgery, lost speech, lost eye contact, and then, you know, like six, 12 months later, we're diagnosed with autism.
Speaker 1:You think it's anesthesia?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely Absolutely. And our kids too. If they go in for like a dental procedure and they put them out there, they come back with autism, much worse, like their ATEC goes skyrocketing.
Speaker 1:Much higher. Wow, good intel there. Okay, so we talked about things to add, or I guess, the restrictions in the food category, but are other things to take away, so I'm thinking like screen time or detoxing the home or anything. Give some parents some insight into that.
Speaker 2:This is really cool. So I went. I think it was 2000,. This is before the chlorine dioxide thing, so maybe 2006,. Because I was still giving presentations internationally in Latin America on biomedical interventions, which is what Dr Rimmel let me be trained in. So I went to a conference to speak about biomedical interventions in Belize and at that conference there were two psychiatrists from Cuba and they were presenting on their findings in Cuba that when they took away screen time from children who were starting to show symptoms of autism around 12 to 18 months, that that reversed.
Speaker 2:And then there's some studies you can even find them online that it shows a thinning, and I believe it's of the I want to say the amygdala, but it's not. Anyway, it's gone, it's on the internet. If you just look for autism and thinning in the brain and it that the brain becomes like almost calloused, like an old man brain, like an old person, old woman, whatever brain, and so the learning stops and there's a lot of stuff. So the screen time is terrible. The best we can do is have no screen time and then you know the worst case scenario after the age of two. One hour a day is the maximum amount of screen time, and I mean computers, tvs, cell phones, ipads all that stuff has to go. Wow, yeah, so screens are a big deal, like you said, and that's another thing. Or, you know, even if you can go organic, you know that would be better and a lot of us can't afford organic or can't find organic.
Speaker 1:Those are some real things no-transcript influx that the parents may not be aware of.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, there's a lot of people like 5G or you know this kind of stuff. If we live on the planet I mean the satellites are beaming down at us, there's a 5G tower everywhere. It doesn't matter if you live in the middle of nowhere, you're still getting reception. So people are like oh, go on to one of those cable cords or whatever for your internet. Don't do wired internet, not wireless. But if you turn on your cell phone you're picking up everybody in the neighborhoods, so you're getting terrible internet.
Speaker 2:I don't think that that's the thing. Or you want to cover your house in tinfoil or something like that? Yeah, you can do these kind of things, but they're not going to give you really much, especially if you don't live in a bubble. It's just not really possible. So I think that that kind of thing is overrated. They have grounding machines. There's that red light which goes with the methylene blue. So I'm not opposed to red light or foot baths that they put these coils in and stuff. I've never seen anything with these kinds of things. But there's lots of different things you can try, or magnets or crazy stuff. You know, those are the things that I just see to have very little, if any improvement in our kids. So I like to keep people. You know we all have a limited amount of time, limited amount of money.
Speaker 2:So now, at that point, what are we going to do? So this is how my protocol, my protocol, this is how I ended up, you know, really like streamlining as much as possible, yet putting in everything that's needed. I have to increase the stomach acid, I have to kill the pathogens, I have to reduce the inflammation. You know we have to take out the heavy metals, so as you're. And then you have to help the body, like with H7, to get rid of the ammonia or the charcoal, to get rid of the toxins, from the pathogens while we're sleeping.
Speaker 2:So we have to make it as comfortable as possible, or, like the enemas, to take out the bad stuff, you know, the biofilms and the parasites and things of that nature, and detoxify the liver. That's so people are like, well, can I just give somebody to cause diarrhea? It's like that is not the same thing as an enema. You know diarrhea is not an enema. You want to really be able to detoxify the liver as well. And then, of course, speech supplements. You know you need your GABA, your DMG, taurine, theanine carcin, these kinds of things. I mean that just really helps. Or, you know, lithium orotate, and so there's certain supplements that do help.
Speaker 2:And now not everybody needs everything or hyperbarics. I've had some kids do really well, like my own son did really well with hyperbarics, but real hyperbarics 1.75 atmospheres I'm not talking about 1.3, which you can't get from something you can buy and put into your house. Sorry about the dogs. So there are different interventions and, like I said, as stem cells, I've never talked to a family that was like, oh yeah, that was great. You know, I never saw that. Or some of the fecal matter transplant. Like I've never had a family say to me like, oh, that really was a game changer. Like I've never, ever, ever seen or heard that and I have the ability to talk and meet many, many thousands of parents that have done a lot of different things. So, um, yeah, I've just not seen those kind of, you know, kind of fly by night things really work.
Speaker 1:Man, you are such a wealth of knowledge and, just similar to me, you've had to piece together how do you do this over time and find, how do I major in the major things that are the most needle moving and sure, where there's discretionary income or there's time or there's options, incorporate a few other things. But well done weeding through this landscape for as long as you have for the rest of us. Thank you for that. One last thing I want to ask you about. You mentioned on a different interview just how often the parents have because they've been caretakers for so long, they're under burden and their bodies are breaking down. And you've had moms, whether it's autoimmunity or Lyme's or other things they've recovered from. Tell people a little bit and give the parents a little more hope. That make this a family event.
Speaker 2:What's so cool? Because most of the parents that are doing biomedical usually do this stuff at the same time their children do, and just the same, like you know, with us, you know if we don't die, then you know we go on, so they'll start the protocol too. I've watched hypothyroid go away, hashimoto's go away, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, lyme disease. I've watched all these go away, just as mothers did it with their kids. And then I had a dad who started the protocol and he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and he did the protocol without the enemas, which I'm like come on, do the enemas. He didn't want to do the enemas and he recovered from that as well.
Speaker 2:So those are just the ones that I watched happen while I had these large Facebook groups. And of course now, because there's just so many people and there's so much stuff. And course now because there's just so many people and there's so much stuff and I know so many people that are doing similar things for other, you know, like these, these online groups of a hundred thousand, which are not autism, they're related to everything else, and like there's just like nothing that hasn't been recovered, or pets, or diabetic foot or name it, you know it's like it's, they're just fine, they're, they're recovered, they're, they're, they're.
Speaker 2:They don't have that problem anymore. So that's just the best thing that we could possibly do is just start doing the stuff we're doing with our kids. But I've just seen so many recoveries from so many different things. I mean my own mother, for example. She was diagnosed four years ago with stage one lymphoma. She's still stage one lymphoma. She does everything I tell her to do. Thank God she listens.
Speaker 2:Sometimes a little bit challenging about some of the stuff. She's still stage one lymphoma. She does everything I tell her to do. Thank God she listens. Sometimes, you know, a little bit challenging about some of the stuff, but she does it all and she's still stage one four years later and I believe that her stage won't increase because she's doing everything that is indicated for that. And of course, there's fenben, there's other things that are involved for cancers, but there's just, you know like there's always something. Or you know I'll be taking a case for a child and the mom be like you know, I've got this thing. I'll be like, ok, just do these four things. You know, like that's all I need to do. Start with that and let's see if we don't get rid of it in the next three to six months, or you know, my husband has this and we'll just get him on this at least. And let me know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right on. Hopefully we have, as humanity, passed the tipping point where this no longer can be suppressed and we can get this out. And it's an honor to be able to amplify and hold the record of what you have learned and synthesized and be able to present that to humanity. One more place this can echo into the rest of our species so that we can push back against this stuff. So we'll start to wrap up here, this stuff. So we'll start to wrap up here. So I guess any other stories you want to tell of just that you may not have mentioned, of recovery or of things that have been meaningful to you over the years, that would give the listener some hope and verve to try this.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, like I said, there's, you know, people just come into my life at the right time, like Dr Rimland or Dr Seneff, or Dr Mitchell and Bob Sands. I mean there's just been so many people, or Jim Humble, you know, just the people that have come into my life that have, just, you know, really made a big difference and, you know, given me direction, giving me direction, like you kind of get to that crossroad. It's like do I go right or do I go left? And then something over here is like they send me. I remember when Dr Mitchell found me rest in peace, a really amazing doctor, he was very alternative Anyway.
Speaker 2:So he contacted me on Facebook. This goes back like 2000,. I don't know 2000, let's go with 15. And he contacts me. He's like I want you to come to Amarillo, texas, and teach me everything you know about chlorine dioxide. I'm like what, what's wrong with this person? Who's this guy, you know? I'm like, well, wait a second, what are you talking about? He's like, I'm like how's that going to go? I got a kid, I'm a single mom, and so, anyway, I'm like can I call you? So I call him up and we start talking, and then he starts telling me about stomach acid, black seed oil, hydrochloric acid, all this kind of stuff, and I'm like, okay, god got it. You know, like that he was sent, he came to give me a message. But the people that come to give me a message, are usually coming like they're carrying gifts for me.
Speaker 2:I mean like like I'm supposed to give them something and then they, they in turn, they're giving me gifts and it's just been really a beautiful thing to watch, you know, from my perspective, just because you know when I sit back and look at it like it, you know when you're in it it's like, ah, it's so frustrating, or you know those kinds of things that are, you know they take your attention away from and that's what it's meant to do. You know those kinds of things are just interruptions and they take your time and money. But you know the road continues and then the it in the groups, my, my assistants. They tell me things that are happening now because of course, now this is, you know, 16 years later, of chlorine dioxide and 22 years later of biomedical interventions. And you know I get referrals from medical doctors with families and things of this nature, because you know they can see that they're getting.
Speaker 2:They're limited by what's in their, their dob kit. You know they're, they can open it up and they're like I got antibiotics, I got antivir, I've got this, but the kid's not better. And I really want that kid to get better and I'm like, have you ever heard of this person? Or have you ever heard of chlorine dioxide? And then they're like well, are you open to it? They're like, yeah, sure, okay, here's's anything you know. Besides, like, Matias is a really cool story. There's another little boy's dad, homeland Security. His mother did a couple of interviews with me. You know he was screaming, headbanging, nonverbal, and you know diet and the whole protocol. And now he's, you know they're living back in the States and he's, you know, regular.
Speaker 2:I think he's in sixth or seventh grade now and he has sleepovers and he plays an instrument in the, in the, in the band at school, and you know he's got his friends and he's got his dog and you know, so, like these stories are very, very cool, of these kids that just you know, go on with their their whole life and, and I, and it affects the whole family, you know, when a child comes back, completely the grandparents, the parents, because autism, unfortunately, if with the diagnosis of autism, divorce is 90%, so 90% of our families end in divorce. It's really bad. I think 50% is a national average in the United States, but 90% once you add the autism diagnosis.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of stress. There's a financial stress and, of course, like what happened with me and my ex-husband was, we were always fighting about. You know, he didn't want to do anything more because he didn't want to spend any more money and didn't want to do it. It was just like no, no, that's how it is, like no, that's not how it is. I'm not going to accept that. You know, try to work those things out and talk about. You know, like the, you know why I want to keep helping my child and why you don't want to help the child anymore. But you know, and then the other thing is a lot of people will just leave, Like women or men might just leave the child behind and then go man and the I imagine the siblings of the autistic child as well.
Speaker 1:They can kind of just get lost in the, the morass of of that life or lifestyle, or so yeah, I guess, if nothing else, what what I heard? I'm glad I asked you that last question because I I heard just a nudge to have some courage to to reach out when you need some help, to not just like your divine appointments came at the. Can I just ask you, can I, can I call you? Like you you need some help to not just like your divine appointments came at the. Can I just ask you, can I call you? Like you just took initiative to do something, whether it's send an email or start a group, and sometimes that's just all it takes to get in the game.
Speaker 1:And do you have a lot to learn? Will it be a journey ahead of you that will require something of you? Yeah, but look at what it can do and the ripple effect of the handful of you Calker, grennan, humble yourself, just not giving up on this, getting the word out, and the countless number of people that have been helped just because of courage, and so, for any of you listening, have some of that. Anything you want to add to that?
Speaker 2:Well, people will say, oh well, autism is not curable. Well, if you don't do anything, yeah for sure it's not. You know you cannot recover somebody if you do absolutely nothing. So, yeah, you're a self-fulfilling prophecy. But if you do and it's a lot of work, that hourly dosing, those you know supplements, it's a lot of work but you can recover your child from autism so they can go back to that direction that they were intended.
Speaker 2:Or the first, like you know, with my boy. You know, the first 12 years, 12 months of life were just, you know, fine, and then it was just too much, too much, too much. And then you know he went out. So now, why can't we take him back? Why can't we get back on that path? And in many cases we can. But you know you have to do that, you have to put in the hard work. And so the nice thing about this protocol is it's not pricey like the other one. You do it from home, you don't have to go somewhere, but you have to put in a lot of work and it's not like, oh, I'm going to do it Monday through Friday and take the weekend off, or vice versa, I'm going to do it on the weekend and then Monday through Friday. We're not going to. It's a lot of work, but if you're doing the work maybe between 18 and 36 months you know what I mean. Fill in the blank, whatever the goal for you is of somebody who's totally healed and fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I remember I asked you last time we talked about help us understand how hard this is, and you made the point it's already hard, like so you're just, you're just kind of switching for from this hard that you're used to to a different kind of hard and so but you're seeing stuff, though you're seeing something.
Speaker 2:You're like, my kid's looking at me, my kid's answering questions. My kid's sleeping through the night.
Speaker 1:Yes, Evidence of progress is so good for the human heart, exactly, evidence of progress.
Speaker 2:So that's just so uplifting, of course, and of course now you know it's just, you know I get emails, I get text messages and my child is doing this and he wasn't, or whatever. A video of a child and and of course, the recovered kids are like that, just so cold, totally cool, and um, a lot of people are like, well, why aren't the videos on the end of the trolls? The trolls will find out who that person was and they'll go chase them down, like one of my recoveries. It's a. It's a mom, uh, in in in the United States. Her son recovered like in 2014,. But I did an interview with her maybe about five, six years ago, so he had been recovered. He's not on protocol, he's not doing anything. The trolls got, I mean, I don't know how they're able to do this, but they got the CPS to go to her house. She had to hire an attorney and her child's not even on any parts of the protocol, you know, but then she had to pay maybe seven hundred dollars because the attorneys had to get involved, you know, otherwise they'll take your kid from you.
Speaker 2:Just, I don't understand our, the governments in the world. I mean they're, they're listening to these people that have nothing. They have nothing in their hand but just a big mouth in their face and they're, you know, making people's lives miserable instead of getting out of the way. Let the children go on to have the full life that they were intended to have. And of they're cheapening the diagnosis of autism by people saying, well, I run the Facebook group and this person's bleacher and I'm autistic. You're like, yeah, you're not autistic. And the kids, our kids with autism? They're mostly nonverbal, there's headbanging, there's diapers, there's epilepsy. They're not able to run a Facebook group. They're not even able to open a computer. What are you talking about? So you know there, and maybe there's something spectrumy about people, but you can't confuse the sick children. And again, I disagree with the label autism for our children, vaccine, injured. They start off perfectly fine, he's perfectly fine, there he is, and then he gets this thing which the label is autism.
Speaker 2:But it's not correct yeah you know it's not a correct, it's not a correct, uh, and that's why I can call it a label, because you know you call hypothyroidism or you can call cancer, you can call Lyme. These are labels. So autism is a label and it's used to communicate, maybe, different social ideas or something like that. That's a totally different new thing that they're bringing into it. Our kids are sick and it started in 1940s that same type of thing. Dr Rimland, 1964 wrote infantile autism. So that's, you know, this thing that's new, not everybody gets it, not everybody has it. And um, so this is their, their, their blending, their blending a lot of things like everybody now is like oh, I have ADHD, I have autism, I have.
Speaker 1:Same problem You're poisoned.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's not. I mean, if you're able to run hate groups against me and Facebook and on every other thing, I call BS there, because our children are not those children. These are children who cannot do anything for themselves. They cannot literally, they cannot cook for themselves, they cannot clean for themselves. They must be cared for all the days of their life. So this is do not confuse these things and that's why there's this, this vaccine injury that they're calling autism.
Speaker 2:And uh, you know, you know, God willing, RFK junior changes that in September, but I don't know. And the um, we can look at the Amish, we can look at them. They have no autism. Or there's a, there's a large pediatric practice out of in Illinois where they've seen, I think, 50,000 kids or more over the last 25 years and they work with mostly the homeschool community and they do not have any vaccinated children. They do not have any cases of autism. So if they wanted to look at, you know, unvaccinated and vaccinated, and do those studies, like I said, you know, from birth to three, they'll find that in the non-vaxxed community you're going to have zero to almost nothing as far as this you know label of autism and the other side's going to be, you know, one in 31, according to CDC, in 2025,. It's not going to be any different sadly.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you for correcting the record, and correcting it boldly, but correcting it with a long history of stories and effort to back you up. So I appreciate so much you taking the time. You have definitely over-delivered, like I expected you would, so tell people where they can go to find you, your work, anything else you want them to know about you.
Speaker 2:Well, my name is Keri Rivera and my website is keririveracom and my name is my parents. You know they had a good sense of humor, Kerry Rivera. My book was just taken down again on Amazon and on Barnes Noble, so it should be back up at kerryriveracom.
Speaker 1:We're printing a bunch of books and so for those listening, not watching, spell your name for them.
Speaker 2:K-E-R-R-I. Oh yeah, kerry K-E-R-R-I. Oh yeah, keri K-E-R-R-I. Rivera KeriRiveracom, which is a kind of funky name, that's why it's kind of, you can't really forget it. But Keri Rivera K-E-R-R-I-R-I-V-E-R-Acom. My email is there. I answer all my emails. If you email me from AOL, hotmail, sbg, global, icloud, I can't answer you back because I'm blocked by those servers. So, if you Gmail ProtonMail, I can get back to you, no problem. Wow, yeah the censorship is just like so high. You're like, really it's ridiculous yeah. But it's been going for so long.
Speaker 1:It says you're over the target. You are doing God's work, you are helping heal people and there are those in power that don't want that because you are a threat to their monopoly or their cartel or their Chlorine dioxide is a threat to their everything it's a threat to everything you know.
Speaker 2:we've got to get rid of those useless eaters.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we saw what happened in, you know over the last five years. I mean, died suddenly is a real thing. It's happening all the time. Okay, so the time, okay. So now we're still 2025. We're kind of on the other side of like that, that first intense one.
Speaker 1:People are still dying suddenly. Yeah, no, you're, you're right. So those of us who are willing to speak up about it, please do take this message that Carrie is telling and get it out there everywhere you can. But, carrie, thank you so much for taking the time. I know it's a lot and I know you are busy and in demand. So I so appreciate you and I look forward to just talking to you again in the future.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you very much for inviting me and, of course, it's always wonderful to be able to talk to other communities because you have your own community and to talk to other communities and just to bring hope, and you know anything that I can do for anybody. You know, feel free. I'm always happy because people are like why can't I buy that stuff? I saw you on so-and-so. I'm like Carrie at CarrieRiveracom. That's my email. Send me an email. I answer them all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just don't use the wrong email server. Get a ProtonMail account.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can get it. I can get their emails, but I can't respond. So it's the Gmail or the Proton. I can respond, but gosh, the other ones I have to go through. I have an assistant that ends up sending my emails to them, but it's not the ideal situation because I am Well, I'd say I even Gmail.
Speaker 1:I don't know that that one will last a whole lot longer because that's Google.
Speaker 2:So I know it's going to go one day, but so far it's still OK. But Proton is the way to go.
Speaker 1:OK, there you go. All right everyone. Thank you so much for listening today. Thank you, carrie, for coming and thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much.
