Deconstructing Conventional
Welcome to Deconstructing Conventional, a show fascinated by one simple question: How did we get here? How did what we call “conventional” come to earn that title? Is there a better way, and if so, what would it look like? This show is about deconstructing two things: Our individual biases, and the systems that run (or attempt to run) our everyday lives.
We do this deconstruction with an eye for where we can reconstruct something better that leads to flourishing societies, and robust physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. In short, this show is about questioning our assumptions and practicing systems-level thinking.
I’m your host, Christian Elliot, I’ll do my best to stay curious and humble. You do the same and we’re both bound to learn something. Welcome to the show. Prepare to have your thinking stretched.
Deconstructing Conventional
Herb Richards Ph.D. - Conquering "Incurable" Lyme Disease with Simple Remedies: Chlorine Dioxide, Silver, DMSO, and More
Experience the remarkable journey of Herb Richards, a 96-year-old health advocate who defies conventional wisdom with his profound insights into holistic healing. Herb's path began with tragedy when his first wife succumbed to cancer treatments that ultimately failed her. Determined to uncover the true roots of health and disease, Herb embarked on a lifelong quest for knowledge that has spanned decades. His discoveries, including successful treatments for Lyme disease and the critical awareness of parasite cleansing, offer a wealth of knowledge that challenges the status quo in health today.
In this episode, you’ll discover the healing measures Herb passionately advocates, including chlorine dioxide, DMSO and nano-silver – all of which he believes hold the key to so many ailments that plague modern society. His engaging narrative reveals the secrets of longevity and well-being but stresses the importance of taking health into your own hands.
Join us for a compelling conversation as Herb illustrates that with determination, knowledge, and the right natural remedies, healing is not only possible, but achievable. Don’t let conventional barriers keep you from finding your path to wellness. Subscribe, share, and engage as we all seek to learn and grow on our health journeys!
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Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 46. My guest today is Mr Herb Richards, who you'll as you'll soon find out, is a very remarkable person. Herb is 96 years old and he is still sharp as a tack. He's been a student of holistic health longer than I've been alive and I'm currently 49. So speaking with him makes me quite excited that I have a long, healthy life ahead of me if I continue to practice what I know and learn from people like Herb. So what I'm excited to do in this interview is just to unearth some of the well-earned intuition that Herb has and, as you'll hear me say during the interview, he's the first person I've ever met who is intimately familiar with parasite cleansing, chlorine dioxide, structured nanosilver and DMSO dioxide, structured nanosilver and DMSO and I've had interviews on all four of those topics, but no one who understands and uses all of them and can talk about which ones to use and why. So you are in for a treat of some practical wisdom today and, by the way, if you would like a deeper dive into the topic of parasites, check out my interview with Kim Rogers. If you'd like to know more about chlorine dioxide, you can check out my interview with Dr Andreas Kalker and my previous interview with Dr Robert Yoho, where we also discussed DMSO. If you're interested to learn more about nanosilver, you can check out my interview with Dr Ben Follis, and if you want a team to help you know how to put all these different pieces together, check out our eight week detox program at healingunitedtoday.
Speaker 1:Another fascinating thing about Herb is that both he and his wife overcame debilitating Lyme disease about 20 years ago, so we talked about their healing journeys and then the book Herb ended up writing about that experience. Another big theme of our conversation was DMSO, and Herb is the author of the number one selling book in the world about DMSO. There are so many different ways you can use it to help facilitate healing and he probably lists over 100 in his book. But we narrowed our focus a bit to talk about cancer and chronic pain and infections and wait until you hear what he has to say about antibiotics. So if any of those topics are relevant to you, I think you'll really appreciate this interview.
Speaker 1:Important disclaimer as with all episodes of this show, nothing in this episode is meant to be personal health advice, and so we always suggest you interact with a trusted healthcare professional about what is best for you. One final thought before I play the interview, and really where I want to stretch your thinking today is that, while neither Herb or I are doctors and you'll hear us have a laugh about that what I think Herb in many ways represents is what and really what we are about at Healing United is an example of what healthcare could have been all along, about what doctoring could have been. It's interesting to reflect back on many of my interactions with doctors the last few years, and I sometimes encounter a palpable reluctance among medical doctors in particular, but just among doctors, to do what doctors are supposed to do, and that is practice medicine, in other words, experiment, and many of them are just leery to experiment outside the prescription pattern. And to me, to practice is to spend time, as Herb has done, trying things out and figuring out what works and what doesn't and developing your intuition, and while what you're about to hear is a man who has spent over five decades trying things and creating his short list of what he believes to be the essentials that help the body heal. So one quick side note a couple of times during the interview we had a little lag in our connection, so if you hear a brief pause. Just keep listening. Okay, I'll leave you with this thought If pharmaceuticals worked, you wouldn't need to refill your prescription. So let that sink in. And welcome to a conversation with a wise old sage who enjoys robust health and is about to give you some practical wisdom for simple ways you can build your health. Okay, without further ado, enjoy my conversation with the ageless and inspiring Herb Richards.
Speaker 1:Hello everyone, welcome to today's show. My guest is the one and only Herb, also known as Roy by his friends, herb Richards. Hello everyone, welcome to today's show. My guest is the one and only Herb, also known as Roy by his friends, herb Roy Richards. I found out earlier what Roy actually stands for. It stands for return on investment. He's that good at helping people get a return on their effort in life. So Roy is a internationally published writer and health enthusiast. He's written several books which he's just showed me. Many of them related to his quest for health and an understanding of the root causes of disease. I love that. That quest that he's on started in his 40s, sadly after his wife was killed by cancer therapy at the age of 38. Herb then enrolled in the College of Human Life Sciences in Austin, texas, where he received his degree in natural nutrition. So, herb, welcome to the show today. It's wonderful to have you. Thanks for taking the time to join me.
Speaker 2:Nice to talk to you, christian, just any question you have, let's go for it.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, so I was first introduced to your work by my friend, dr Robert Yoho, and I was impressed because you were the first person I had heard of who was familiar with four significant topics I'd been looking into deeply and that was parasite cleansing, chlorine dioxide, nanosilver and DMSO. And you're not just superficially familiar with them, you've written books about them and just have a ton of practical intuition that I'm just really excited to unpack for the listener today. So your quest for the root causes of disease has started in your 40s, but tell people how old you are to give them context for how long you've been learning and writing and helping people.
Speaker 2:Well, I just turned 96 a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. So, side note for anyone who thinks they're too old to chase their dreams, let Herb be an example to you. So you've been looking into the root cause of disease for probably more decades than most people have been alive, so fantastic. Let's just back up and start with the story that you have on the back cover of your DMSO book, and it's the story of your wife and her being killed by cancer therapy.
Speaker 2:So tell us a little bit about that story and just some of the main lessons that came from that experience. Well, we didn't know anything about health except to eat a balanced diet. That's what we were always told, and we didn't really know anything about it. And so when she was diagnosed with cancer, we took their advice and did what they said. And of course, what they did is they poisoned her to death with chemotherapy and radiation. Both of them are poisoned and you cannot poison someone back to health. It's just absolutely ridiculous to think that you can. But we didn't know any better, and when they killed her off within a year, I decided that I was going to find out something about health and find out what was really going on, because I realized that the doctors didn't have a clue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's rude awakening. A lot of people are coming to and, depending on where your health journey takes you at some point facing that and trying to tease out what is really the path to healing. And it's tragic that you had to go through that and I'm going to unpack a little bit of what you've learned since then and then we can maybe revisit that toward the end. But so, fast forward from that tragedy, you get remarried and then years later, if I'm not mistaken, both you and your wife developed Lyme disease. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got Lyme disease from a mosquito bite and this was after we'd been together for a number of years, so it didn't come right away or anything. In fact it was about 20 years ago that we got Lyme disease and I got it from a mosquito and she got it from me because Lyme disease is very contagious and the books don't tell you that except for mine. So it's just one of those things. And the reason it's contagious is because Lyme disease is caused by a spirochete. A spirochete is the same kind of a little critter that causes syphilis and relapsing fever and those are both very contagious. And just because the little critter is able to piggyback on mosquitoes and fleas and ticks and so forth doesn't mean that it's forgot how to go person to person, just like it always did.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Okay, I spent some time looking it up after we talked, just realizing it's a bacteria, and I had never heard, until I met you, that you could get it from a mosquito, not just a deer tick. So that was insightful, and but let's tell a little more of the story of like what you were experiencing. I think it was a like a five-year gap between the mosquito bite and then the symptoms showing up, as do I remember that correctly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it laid dormant in my body for about five years and then it showed up when I was under some tension from something I was doing, I don't know maybe a little financial thing that was going on, or whatever. But when I got my body under some tension, that's when it showed up. Tension that's when it showed up. And the way it showed up for me was it made my muscles really, really weak. In fact, it made me so weak that I couldn't get up off the floor unless I pulled myself up.
Speaker 1:Wow, and how did you make? The connection then all those years later back to the mosquito bite that that was where it started, and then all those years later back to the mosquito bite that that was where it started.
Speaker 2:Well, I eventually ran on to a natural doctor that told me that I you know, he says the way your body is responding I think you probably have Lyme disease. And so we did the test and we did. And so then I thought back all those years ago how I'd got that strange bite mosquito bite and it didn't heal up. It took about six months for it to go away, and I think so that's the only thing that I came across and I hadn't had sex with anybody but my wife. So you know, so we couldn't have got it that way, and of course you can. That's why a lot of people uh, thousands and thousands of people have Lyme disease and don't know what's wrong because they got it from personal contact rather than a bite yeah, well, and you made the comment earlier before we started recording that it's probably the most misdiagnosed disease of today, so tell me a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2:Well, the reason is is because the spirochete no matter what brand of spirochete it is goes to the weakest part of the body to set up its little colonies, and so therefore, everybody has a different weak spot, so everybody's going to show different symptoms. So you can have the symptoms of fibromyalgia, which I had, and rheumatoid arthritis, which I supposedly had also, and they would show up as that rather than Lyme disease, and so that's what keeps it from being diagnosed correctly, because it can show up as so many different kinds of disease, like irritable bowel syndrome, a whole bunch of diseases. You can just name a disease and probably it's in that list.
Speaker 1:And what did your wife have? The? Same symptoms as you or different.
Speaker 2:No, she had a real serious digestive problems. Wow, and so no doctor I don't care whether it was a natural doctor or MD would have ever diagnosed as each of us having the same disease.
Speaker 1:Because the symptoms are so different, they were so different.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:What did you try? Go ahead.
Speaker 1:You said they go. What Well I?
Speaker 2:tried various essential oils. Yeah, I tried various essential oils and things first. And uh tried a bunch of things at that natural doctor and I don't even remember his name, he just happened to be a natural doctor their friend of mine told me about and that's, and after I went to see him he figured out that that's probably what I had. And then we got tested and it was but uh, uh. So I didn't have any idea what was going on, except I wanted to do something about it, and that's how it all came about.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, I think you didn't have much success if I remember correctly beating back Lyme disease until you found what at the time was called MMS. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:MMS, which is, of course, chlorine dioxide. Mms is a nickname that Jim Hummel put on it to kind of disguise it, so that the authorities wouldn't realize he was using something so simple to get rid of all of these diseases.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was a key part of your healing, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2:It was a thing that worked. That's what actually worked, okay.
Speaker 1:So tell people about your experience using it then and how you started to know it was working.
Speaker 2:Well, I used it. I did what they recommended, which was take some every hour for eight hours a day, and I did that for about three weeks and I tried all kinds of different amounts because I didn't know what to do and I just knew that something was going to help. Something either was going to help or wasn't, and so I eventually settled on three drops an hour. And I went three drops an hour for about three weeks and my hands, which had been swollen shut for they were swollen so they wouldn't close for several years, but I think about two years and my hands would start to work again, and so I knew I was on the right track and so I just kept doing it and in fact I treated myself for about a year because I wanted to make sure I got rid of those little suckers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, in the title of your book, Arlie. I think you have a couple books on Lyme, but the title of one of your books about Lyme disease was just called that Lyme Disease Non-Medical Diagnosis and Treatment. Love that part. And then it's how I Kicked Chronic Lyme Disease in One Year for Pennies. So there's so many things to love about this title. Well done. But I guess some of the secret to your success is in the title. So tell me about this one-year timeline aspect of your journey, because one of my common experiences as a coach is helping people calibrate to the long game of healing. So what helped you stick it out for an entire year?
Speaker 2:Well, I just had a lot of determination, I guess you'd call it, and I didn't have anybody to guide me, and so I just went long enough to make sure I did the job, and it turned out that I did it for a year and actually it costs about $30 for about six months of this kind of treatment. So it actually cost me $ bucks just about what it costs for a decent meal, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, so it's still not very many pennies, yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1:No, it's not A year's worth of work, but for some reason you had the compound effect and they have to, or the nudge. I guess I wanted people to hear that, because so often we live in a culture where we are marketed the quick fixes and the rapid transformation stories. And, yes, you started noticing some progress in two or three weeks with using it, but you had the wisdom to say I'm not done and there's more to do, and just not give up on it at a plateau and stick with it for an entire year. So anybody listening if you have had a health journey and you're maybe bummed at a plateau or you're wondering how long I have to do this, just keep going. I guess is as much what I'm hearing in your story there. Is there anything you want to add to that?
Speaker 2:yeah, don't try people. I say I tried this or I tried that and so forth. You cannot try. You either got to do it or don't do it, and that's that's something that's very, very important, and especially true with chlorine dioxide. Don't try it. If you want to do it, do it, but don't try it. Just messing around with it isn't, isn't going to do anything for you at all except waste your time.
Speaker 1:I love it. Unfiltered wisdom right there, friends. Okay, so next topic, but somewhat related. In your interview with Dr Yoho, I watched you guys talk and you two somehow got onto the topic of parasites and you just casually mentioned that everyone has parasites and if you think you don't have them, then you're just missing something. So tell me a little bit about that perspective. And was parasite cleansing at all a part of your recovery from Lyme, or did that awareness of the problem come later?
Speaker 2:Well, it actually came later, but you might say that it was along with it, but I wasn't doing parasite cleansing when I was getting rid of the Lyme disease. Okay, but I knew about parasites because my wife Taylor spent several years in Panama. And you can just go to the grocery store and it's right there on the counter and get all of it. You want to get rid of parasites and it's right there on the counter and get all of it. You want to get rid of parasites and everybody knows that you clean from parasites a year, at least once a year and usually a couple times a year if you want to stay clear of them, because they are designed to live in our body. If you think you don't have them, you're kidding yourself. You do have worms and you do have parasites. It's just the way it is. We're built that way. In fact, if you, if you look at the oldest fossils they've ever found and I forget how many millions of years old they are they are fossils of parasites, internal parasites, and so. So what was it that?
Speaker 2:convinced you that everyone has them, then well actually, uh, I hung around a lot with wayne roland and wayne roland has spent a lot of time with parasites. He found out that, uh, he had, he had cancer from lead poisoning. He got cancer from lead poisoning and so he hunted around through the for rife equipment, found rife equipment and the guy that told him what frequency to use told him the frequency to use and he used it and got rid of his cancer. And a little later on he found an actual expert on Rife equipment and the expert says well, you didn't have the cancer frequency at all, you had the frequency for parasites, for worms and parasites. Wow, really yeah. And so when he found out then he realized that the lead poisoning made his body really receptive to parasites and the parasites are what were doing him in causing the cancer, because those parasites aren't housebroken, they crap in your body and their urine and their feces is what makes you sick, that's what causes a lot of the trouble in your body.
Speaker 1:But the metal was the lead domino that made it hospitable for them, did I?
Speaker 2:understand that correctly. It was for him, but that isn't true for everybody. But we all do have heavy metals. We get it because of the way our food is processed and the way our water is processed. So we've got heavy metals. We've got all of the right environment to grow parasites to beat heck Wow.
Speaker 1:Well, for people who don't know what is a Rife machine.
Speaker 2:A Rife machine was a frequency machine. It was developed in the 1930s that you could pick the frequency of the particular organism and it would shatter the organism, just like you can shatter a glass with the right musical note, where you can shatter organisms the same way. And he figured that out and made a machine that would do it. And of course he was fought tooth to nail. Because you're not allowed to get rid of disease. There's no money in it. When you do it that way, disease has to be something that is expensive. That's the same thing that's wrong with chlorine dioxide. It's inexpensive, right? So therefore it's forbidden. Yeah, now it's funny. So therefore it's forbidden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now it's funny. I just watched a documentary last week about homeopathy and they talked about the canceling principle of similars, which is what you're talking about. You find that frequency that that thing doesn't like and it's the end of that. And to think of the number of suppressed breakthroughs that we have not been able to find, because chemically intervening in the human body is what makes all the money. It's a shame, but it's so fun to hear you talk about these things just with yeah, of course, that's just how things work and you've just lived it for so long. So anything else you want to say about parasites or about how often you guys do it or how often you, how people, might go about that?
Speaker 2:Well, most everybody should do it a couple times a year at least to start with, and you want to make sure that you get rid of them. Well, so you want to do it, don't just try it.
Speaker 1:Just do it.
Speaker 2:And you can get this one right here. This book is Wayne Rowland's book. I wrote it with him, helped him with his book, and it's about using silver. Oh, that's where.
Speaker 1:I was going to go next.
Speaker 2:And parasite cleansing and silver.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, okay. So the next of the big four that I was just thrilled to see you were familiar with is silver. So, briefly, just tell people a little bit about the healing power of silver, what it does in the body, what you use it for, et cetera.
Speaker 2:Well, silver is actually an antibiotic. It's a natural antibiotic and it doesn't matter what particular organism it is, it takes care of it. Now, all of the artificial antibiotics that they've made and the patent, all of those things only do a certain small spectrum of bacteria or virus or whatever they're trying to do. Well, actually, it can't kill a virus with an artificial.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But colloidal silver seems to take care of them. So colloidal silver, if it's done right Now, there's all kinds of ways of making silver. You can make silver salts of various kinds, you can make colloidal silver of various kinds. But what Wayne did was he figured out how to use Tesla technology and use lightning to actually make colloidal silver, and so it's a different kind of colloidal silver. The particles are the smallest known in colloidal silver, down to the Angstrom size or smaller.
Speaker 1:Is that smaller than nano size? Is that right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are. Wow, they actually are Fantastic.
Speaker 1:So a crazy amount of electricity can do that, and that's the thing that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, what it does is lightning actually flashes onto a plate that that has this water running over it, and so the lightning constantly flashes. It looks like uh frankenstein's, uh laboratory when you see that thing working yeah, okay, like a spark plug traveling across some arc. Basically yeah, yeah, just just uh. Lightning flashes, they're regular lightning flashes. They look just exactly like the ones out in the sky look.
Speaker 1:But that's robbing the, the microbe of its electrical charge and basically choking it out. Is it my, my oversimplifying that? Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:well, that's part of it. Part of it is that it changes it. It makes it so that the microbe can't get its oxygen. Ah, okay. And that's why the microbes can't develop a can't become immune.
Speaker 1:Right, there's no antibiotic resistance to that.
Speaker 2:Right when the artificial antibiotics. They can become immune to it and become super strains that can't be gotten rid of hardly. But this stuff, yeah, this stuff seems to take care of anything I've ever run onto. Now, one of the ways I use it is we have cats. I like cats, they're neat little people and so, yeah, and so what I do, and they scratch you occasionally, whether they're trying to or not, because they just plain have really good claws and so and we know what they do with their claws, so we know that those have microbes and so forth when they scratch you. So what I do is I take half dmso and half of the of wayne's silver water and mix them together and I just spray it on. If they scratch, I just spray it on and that's the end of it. Never any infection, never any problem, because the dmO carries that silver right in as far as the scratch went, so it kills all those bugs.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. Well, you're segueing beautifully for me, because the other one I wanted to ask you about was DMSO. And so you have. I didn't know this until we talked today, but you wrote the book DMSO dimethyl sulfoxide for humans subtitled Recipes and Treatments, and I was going to say it's got to be the most user-friendly book available, and you said it is the number one selling book on DMSO worldwide. So congratulations, but well done at the same time, because it's so needed, because to make this substance practical is such a gift to humanity is such a gift to humanity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and before that, I was really absolutely disappointed by all the DMSO books out there, because, even though they told you that DMSO was good for this or good for that, there was no idea what to do or how to go about it or anything. And so I decided to put together a book that was. Actually. I'd had so many people tell me what they did with the MSO, how they got rid of this, how they get rid of that. So I had this. I'd been keeping this list of things and I decided, well, why don't we just put this in book form and put these people's uh recommendation, their own personal experiences, in the book? And that's what we did. And so it has all kinds of of recipes that various people have used to get rid of, uh, all kinds of problems. Yeah, what I would?
Speaker 1:I don't know what the mso it's probably close to a hundred different things that are in there that people have written you about. Is that a reasonably good guess?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's at least that many. I don't know how many. It's all through the alphabet. I forget how many. The whole center section of the book is that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. Well, give people a little background on DMSO. Where does it come from? How was it discovered? Give us a little more insight into the substance itself paper company when they're making paper pulp.
Speaker 2:Gmso was one of the byproducts that came out of it and they had no idea what to do with it. But they did know that people who worked in the timber and worked out in uh, they call it out in the, what do they call? Call it on a moat, I don't remember what they call it, but they work out there moving those logs around in the water and they're in the water almost all day long and those people never get a cold. And so somebody got the idea that there must be something in those trees that's keeping these guys from getting sick, because they're doing everything that should make them sick, they're out there in the water and the weather, and so on and so forth guys from getting sick because they're doing everything that should make them sick, they're out there in the water and the weather, and so on, so forth.
Speaker 1:Huh and so um they just accidentally found some sort of medicinal property in these trees, I guess that's right.
Speaker 2:Wow, it's a natural product. That's the thing, and that's another reason why it's not liked by the mainstream is because it's a natural product and can't be patented, right. But the Crown Zellerbach Paper Company has the patent on the way they extract it. The Crown Zellerbach in Louisiana has the patent on it?
Speaker 1:Is it only fir trees, or is it any type of tree? Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 2:So is it only for trees, or is it any type of tree? Do you know anything about that? Well, all kinds of trees have it and a lot of plants have it in our garden and so on and so forth, but it's in very small amounts in a lot of things. Trees have the most of it. They use it to transport things through those really heavy fibrous wood that they have fibrous tree pulp, and so it takes it through our skin really really easy, and that's what it does and the reason it does it.
Speaker 1:It's looking for water. Yeah, I've heard it described as kind of nature's antifreeze. It keeps the tree from freezing in the winter, so it's constantly pulling moisture and it kind of creates this tailwind of whatever's in its wake will just be pulled into the body or into the tree as well. That's one of the ways it nourishes and stays hydrated. Is that right? Yeah, that's right, Nice, Okay. Well, when did you first learn about DMSO and what did you initially use it for?
Speaker 2:Well, I first learned about it we were doing shows down in Portland area and run onto a fellow there who had used DMSO for several years and he used MSM, which is derived from it. Msm is organic sulfur, okay, and he used that stuff to get rid of uh scarring on his body. And that's the first I heard of it. And then I learned more about it and uh found out that, uh, we could get it pretty easily and we could get the organic sulfur if we wanted it to. And so we do have organic sulfur and we have DMSO.
Speaker 1:And so what did you start using it for?
Speaker 2:I just started using it, the organic sulfur or the DMSO.
Speaker 1:The DMSO specifically. I was curious what was your first entry point into using it on yourself?
Speaker 2:Oh, I guess it was when I smashed a finger, okay, and I soaked it in DMSO and the pain was gone and it was okay the next day. And normally when I'd smashed a finger before and I've been a mechanic for quite a few years and so smashing a finger was not an unusual circumstance, but having it go away in a day was unusual, and that told me that the MSO was really useful.
Speaker 1:So you didn't just put a few drops on and rub it in, you soaked your finger in it. Yeah, really. Why that hadn't occurred to me yet, I don't know. But great idea. So the more I learn about this substance and the other ones we've mentioned, like this is they're inexpensive, they're so powerful and we just got to work up the courage to use them. But give us maybe a personal story or two. We've got the smashed thumb or finger there. But what are some of the most memorable stories of healing that all these people have reached out to you and shared, or anything else you want to tell people about?
Speaker 2:just the, the healing potential that dmso can offer well, um, I use it as a carrier more than anything else. In other words, if I have any problem in my body, I mix whatever I want to treat that problem with with DMSO usually about half and half Okay and DMSO will go clear to the center of the bone in moments and it'll carry along with it whatever's mixed with it. Now that means you can hurt yourself with it too. Mix it with gasoline and you'd have to run on gas, and we're not designed for that, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so your most common use is just personally as a carrier.
Speaker 2:Common use is just personally as a carrier Are there any particular things where you say DMSO by itself is where you default to that and maybe not need to mix it with other things? Yeah, I had a toothache a while back. I simply took a teaspoon full of DMSO and put it in my mouth and rolled it around that tooth area and held it for about 15, 20 minutes and then went ahead and swallowed it, and I did that two times, maybe three times, and the toothache was gone.
Speaker 2:Wow, no-transcript no, I don't know of any reason not to do it.
Speaker 1:I'm just thinking I can't drive into the body further, that's in the tooth. That was all I was thinking, so well, well, you've already got the murder.
Speaker 2:You've already got the mercury in your body. You need to get that stuff out. That stuff's poison. There's no way around it. It's no matter what anybody tells you. It is poison and it is constantly leaking into your body. If you have a tooth that's made out of silver and mercury, it's going to be leaching into your body. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no it's the painful recognition. Yeah, yeah, all right. No-transcript in car accidents to elderly people. Just able to play the piano again. Dmso just seemed to win the day in terms of pain relief. Is that something that you've found in the people that have reached out to you that that's been a common theme they have talked about?
Speaker 2:A lot of people have. It just depends, you know, whatever people want to use it for. The thing about it is it's about as universal as anything you can possibly get. It has healing properties and it has carrier properties and the combination is really hard to beat. Yeah, you can't find anything in pharmaceutical that'll even come close to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, is there anything that you know of where you could combine it with DMSO and it would kind of just render it inert, like it doesn't necessarily. It maybe loses some of its potency Not that I know of, okay Gotcha. So, and how long is there a drop-off? Like, if I made a mixture of silver and DMSO and had it sitting in a spray bottle, would I need to kind of refresh it at some point, or is it indefinitely good?
Speaker 2:Well, I've used it for usually a four-ounce bottle or an eight-ounce bottle. Eight-ounce bottle usually lasts me about a year, year and a half, and then I mix up another bottle, but I usually have three or four of them sitting around. I have some in my shop, I have some in my house and so on and so forth, so that wherever I'm at, if I need this, stuff.
Speaker 1:I've got it Fantastic, but so no need to necessarily make a fresh batch. It's not going to go bad, it's just.
Speaker 2:No, it's not going to go bad. You know, if you really want to, if you want to get serious about it, use a glass bottle. If you use a glass bottle, I don't imagine that there's any length of time it would matter Got it. I've been using PET type plastic bottles. Okay, pet is is not, uh, affected much by the MSO, and I say not much because I can't say that it isn't affected some. It's just that I have not had any problem with it. Okay, but if you're really, really serious, use glass bottles.
Speaker 1:Okay, Would that include the shaft of like I'm thinking of a spray bottle. Typically that's going to be plastic, Would you just say— I know it, Are we too in the weeds and not really need to worry about that because it's just so minuscule? Some people are know about plastic.
Speaker 2:I don't worry about it. And another thing to remember when DMSO comes in bulk it comes in a 55 gallon plastic drum. So everybody that then orders it and somebody says well, I ship all my DMSO in glass. Well, they ship it in glass. So what? It just came out of a big plastic drum.
Speaker 1:That's a good supply chain wrinkle that you just unveiled there.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that. Yeah, if you want to put it in glass after you get it, why not? That's a good way to store it.
Speaker 1:It probably lasts forever in a glass bottle of silver and dmso and chlorine dioxide um, can you imagine and ever needing an antibiotic again. Is there any infection you don't think you could put in check with some combination of those three tools?
Speaker 2:no, there is none. Well, even as far as I'm concerned bone infections nothing oh, mercer, mercer, mrsa. One of the fellows who's in jail now for talking about DMSO used chlorine dioxide, mms, whatever you want to call it today to get rid of MRSA, and that's how he came across it in the first place.
Speaker 1:Wow, and that's how he, that's how he came across it in the first place. Wow, yeah, as I've learned about this, I keep thinking is there something in the infection realm that I should? Oh man, but I don't. I don't have it, I can't take care of that. And the more I've looked into all three of these tools, the more confidence I get that I could just put infections in check because the body just needed a purification agent and it does the healing so that, yeah, thank you for confirming. I wasn't crazy that that really is, that they are this good so I can't, I can't say that that'll work for everyone.
Speaker 2:All I know is it works for me, yeah well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:None of this here is medical or health advice people.
Speaker 2:It's just us talking about absolutely not yeah because anybody that just takes all this stuff without paying attention and and tries to do what somebody else is doing are is a fool. Yeah, you need to understand what you're doing and spend some time figuring it out and if you want to decide to take it, take it on yourself to do those things. That's your business, none of mine right, yep, precisely, yeah.
Speaker 2:What works for someone else may not work for you and just do it at your own risk yeah, yeah, my doctorate is in natural nutrition. I don't. I'm not a medical doctor. I have no degree in medicine. Don't want one. Wouldn't take one as a gift I feel exactly the same way.
Speaker 1:I don't want one, wouldn't take one as a gift. I feel exactly the same way. I don't have any aspirations to get MD or that after my name whatsoever. I like being in the health arena and just doing my best to figure out how the body works, what burdens it and how do I take away a burden and how do I empower it. And it's such fun work because I get to talk to people like you.
Speaker 1:And just today, on our call, we had a for our group coaching call. We had somebody lose a cancerous tumor on her face. We had somebody else lose a longstanding, disgusting looking toe fungus. The toenail just fell off. We've had varicose veins disappear and somebody purging a whole bunch of parasites. That was today. Like it's crazy, the number of things people can heal from if they just work up a little courage to try stuff. And that's just their experience. But wow, it's so much fun to figure out how to deploy these things. As you're well aware of the number of people who've written you over the years of telling their story of how DMSO helped. That culminated in this book. Um, fantastic. What was it that compelled you to write it? Was it just that there wasn't a guide out there that was practical.
Speaker 2:There just wasn't any books out there that that give anybody any information. And, uh, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that nobody ever bothered to write a real book about DMSO, and so we wrote one, and and, uh, and there'll be people copying this one too, you can bet, and they may even get better, who knows. But uh, at least it gives you something you can start with if you want to. Yeah again, yes, recipes and treatment.
Speaker 1:Yep, that was a needed angle in the whole world of DMSO. So one other question just related to, let's say, all three, dmso, silver and chlorine dioxide. Are there any big flashing red lights of no-nos or don't do this related to these three, where people may not know something that would get themselves in trouble?
Speaker 2:You mentioned gasoline with DMSO, yeah well, it's not just gasoline. Anything on your skin, nail polish, anything on your skin, the perfume and soap, all of that stuff will be taken clear into the center of your bone. If you want that perfume, you want to be to smell really cool inside, go ahead and use it.
Speaker 1:This best smelling bones in the whole neighborhood? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that's really it, that's it, it's of all three. That's the main thing you'd say be aware of.
Speaker 2:That's really it. I don't know of anything that, uh, I I have not. I have no idea how you could drink too much of this silver water, for instance, that wayne makes. Now, I'm not saying that about all silver water. It's not all created equal, and people should be well aware of that. We're talking about this, this particular kind, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, good caveat, and thanks for the answer there. Okay, so, as we start to wrap up, I guess, one last thing I want to ask you, just given that cancer is also epidemic level these days and so many people seem to be wrestling with that, if you don't mind, I guess, rewind back to your first wife's cancer scenario and with all you have learned about health. If you could go back to that time with the knowledge you now have, how would you handle that situation differently?
Speaker 2:And where might some of the things we've been talking about fit into that picture? Well, it would be real quick with silver water and DMSO. That would be real quick because there's no reason in the world to have a problem with cancer In the first place. One of the cancer? Well, I hear Dr Leonard Coldwell. You've ever heard of him? I have Dr Leonard Coldwell. Have you ever heard of him? I have not.
Speaker 2:Okay, he wrote a book called the Only Answer to Cancer and he explains what cancer is, how it's caused, how you cause it yourself and so on and so forth, so forth, and he says that people on average get cancer five or six times during their lifetime and never know it because the body takes care of it automatically. He says it's only when you get really stressed and you get messed up in your consciousness that cancer kills you. And so he explains that very, very clearly in this book. I think anybody that has cancer or is thinking they might get cancer or think it runs in the family which it really doesn't it does run through the recipe books. Pretty much it kind of sticks in the family recipe books, but that's it.
Speaker 1:Wow, say the name of books, but that's it Wow, say the name of the book, again for somebody listening.
Speaker 2:The Only Answer to Cancer by Dr Leonard Coldwell, C-O-L-D-W-E-L-L.
Speaker 1:Wow, I love that. Yeah, one of the things we talk about is just the reality of the mental, emotional, upstream realities that can poison the body as much as the chemical and microbial toxicity that's common. It's great that he's bringing that into the conversation too. That stress is part of what creates the susceptibility for this process to kickstart in the first place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stress is a thing that causes most all of this stuff. It was stress that caused that Lyme disease to come out in my system. It's always stress that causes these things. So if we can keep the stress down, most all this stuff will never even touch us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, okay. So anything else you'd add about your late wife's health situation, the MSO and silver? Is there anything else you'd add about your late wife's health situation, the MSO and silver? Is there anything else you would have done differently?
Speaker 2:Well, yes, we wouldn't have gone near the hospital, wouldn't have gone near those doctors, we would have realized. No, I don't say that the doctors were trying to do something nefarious. I'd say that they've been totally misled in their training and I think their training is at fault. And we know Rockefeller is behind their training and Rockefeller sells lots of oil products, lots of petroleum products.
Speaker 1:Also known as pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2:Right right. So I wouldn't say that it's a conspiracy. It's just that he was a pretty good businessman and he was doing everything he could to improve his business and he didn't give a damn if it hurt anybody or not.
Speaker 1:The whole podcast episode just about that. It is a remarkable era of history and we're still living through, I think we're at the death throes, the end of the system's kind of coming to its needed end. But, man, it's going to take a lot more conversations of us to understand that, to talk about it and just create more and more awareness. But thank you for pointing that out and for just your wisdom about not only these different purification agents but your, your transparency with your story and so many things. So I guess the one thing I want to leave the listener with is you wrapped up your book about DMSO talking about your philosophy of being a winner, so that just seems like a great place to nudge them to investigate this. So tell the listener a little bit about your philosophy of of being a winner.
Speaker 2:Well, if you're trying to, if you're afraid to try something, say that you've bought some DMSO and you don't quite know how to use it and so you leave it set on the shelf forever and never use it. That is a loser. That is a loser if, on the other hand, you're not afraid to experiment on yourself. Let's face it, these bodies are not us. Anyway, we wear these things, we put them on. We wear them for a lifetime. If we treat them nice, they're fun to wear it. If we don't treat them nice, they aren't fun to wear. It's as simple as that. When the life ends here, that's no big deal. The body dies, but you don't. You wander away. Simple as that, and anybody that's had any experiences at all knows that's true. In fact, you can go on the internet, on YouTube, and you can find all kinds of people who've had what they call near-death experiences, where they actually died for a while and had various experiences that proved to them that they sure as heck weren't dead when their body died yeah well.
Speaker 2:So if, once you know that, once you know that, what's the difference? Why would you, why would you go through? Why would you go through a year's torture to on your way out, to save yourself from uh dying, uh six months earlier? Yeah, you know why would you do that?
Speaker 1:and that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 2:they're talking about, yeah, they're talking about putting you through a year's torture, and that's about what they do. They about kill people off in about a year, some of them less, and basically they make it kind of end up as your bank account runs dry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good way to talk about it or a metaphor for it, but your longevity and your multi-decade use of these substances is testament that you're on to something. If anybody wants to argue with that, here you have Exhibit A, that these things work. And he's still I mean, he's writing books in his 90s. That's remarkable. So that book came out two or three years ago. Your DMSO book that's now the number one bestseller. Oh, the DMSO book, yeah, yeah, 2022 or 23.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:It's great. So, yeah, you don't have to just accept crawling to the finish line of life for a few decades and limp through this with aches and pains. There is hope and healing, and it does take stepping into the winner's circle of okay, I'm just going to try things, I will see what happens and I will, I will, I'm willing to experiment and find my way, and you have lived that out so well, herb. So, um, any final thoughts you have for the listener?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know. I probably got lots of final thoughts, but I'm not sure when the final one will come. I will tell you one thing, though. What's that? When I was about six years old, the doctor told my parents, if I didn't get my tonsils out, I would die.
Speaker 1:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a possibility that the doctor is right. Yeah, the doctor may be right. I probably will die, yes, at some point. He's just yeah, his timing was way off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you still have your tonsils? I'm guessing, Of course.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're part of our equipment. Whoever designed this body knew enough to put in tonsils and appendix and a few other things to kind of act as a safety buffer to keep us from killing ourselves off too early. Right, and if we allow somebody to cut that stuff out, we're making a big mistake. Instead, you need to fix it dead. You need to fix it. If I ever get any pains down in my side, down here in my appendix location, I real quick treat it with DMSO and silver water and rub it in all around the area, and I don't just put it on the spot. I go four or five inches around the area that I'm trying to treat so that it surely gets in at all angles to make sure I get silver and DMSO into that area. And when I get one of those pains it's generally gone in about 15, 20 minutes and that's the end of it. Wow.
Speaker 1:You've got so many practical nuggets here in this episode.
Speaker 1:I love it. It's just giving people courage to try, and one of the things I loved about that story you just told us somebody gives you their opinion that death is imminent or that this can't be healed or fixed, or whatever they say is them potentially just speaking out of their own experience and their training. That doesn't mean all of the possible outcomes have been explored. It's just that's what they think, and so you don't have to take that as a death sentence or as a nudge of fear that you need to do whatever the so-called expert tells you. You are the driver of your own wellness and you have lived that out so well.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, you know, we get to use this body for a lifetime. A lifetime can be fun or can be a real bitch, and it's up to us. We're the one that does it.
Speaker 1:Well said, all right. Well, tell the listener where they can find you, your work, your books, anything else you want them to know about. To follow you.
Speaker 2:Oh, you can find it at. Oh, let me find you a an address here. Make sure I get it just right.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'll have it for everyone in the show notes as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, okay, it's um wwwtopsellerbestsellerscom. Okay, there you go, that's where I got seller. Yeah, that's where I got your book, yeah, bestsellerscom.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go, that's where.
Speaker 2:I got that Top seller yeah. That's where I got your book, yeah, bestsellerscom, yeah, and that'll get you to a store where you can find a few things and if some you like, great, we'll be glad to ship it to you.
Speaker 1:I love it. I had to schedule later in the day with you because you're too busy working in your shop and making things happen. So thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule and your life to just share some wisdom and give hope and encouragement to a lot of people who could use it. I really appreciate it. Okay, well, thank you.
