Deconstructing Conventional
Welcome to Deconstructing Conventional, a show fascinated by one simple question: How did we get here? How did what we call “conventional” come to earn that title? Is there a better way, and if so, what would it look like? This show is about deconstructing two things: Our individual biases, and the systems that run (or attempt to run) our everyday lives.
We do this deconstruction with an eye for where we can reconstruct something better that leads to flourishing societies, and robust physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. In short, this show is about questioning our assumptions and practicing systems-level thinking.
I’m your host, Christian Elliot, I’ll do my best to stay curious and humble. You do the same and we’re both bound to learn something. Welcome to the show. Prepare to have your thinking stretched.
Deconstructing Conventional
Dr. Robert Yoho: Chlorine Dioixde, DMSO & OSR: Three Suppressed, Easy-to-Use Therapies with Massive Healing Benefit
What if the solutions to many of our health problems have been right under our noses, yet suppressed by mainstream medicine? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Dr. Robert Yoho, a retired medical doctor who offers a bold take on alternative therapies that challenge the status quo. From chlorine dioxide and DMSO to OSR, Dr. Yoho unveils treatments that could make some pharmaceuticals obsolete. We explore the controversial idea that toxicity is a root cause of numerous health issues and discuss the importance of a shift towards person-centric healthcare.
Dr. Yoho pulls no punches when it comes to exposing the profit-driven motives of the medical industry and regulatory bodies like the FDA. Sharing insights from his books "Butchered by Healthcare" and "Judas Dentistry," he critiques the suppression of alternative therapies while navigating through topics like the dangers of root canals and mercury amalgams. This episode also illuminates the FDA's role in limiting access to treatments that could revolutionize public health, underscoring the need for accountability and reform in medical practices.
Tune in as we share practical tips and personal anecdotes on using these transformative therapies, including significant but often overlooked benefits of DMSO and the compelling potential of OSR for mercury detoxification. Dr. Yoho's dedication to making complex research accessible is not only inspiring but crucial for those seeking to improve health outcomes in a natural and informed way. Join us in recognizing the profound impact of these discussions, and prepare to rethink conventional medicine with insights that empower better health choices.
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Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 45. My guest today is the one and only Dr Robert Yoho, because we're friends. This interview is one of the most casual conversations I've had so far, and it is also an episode that is truly too hot for mainstream media and big tech social media. It's a sad reality that most of the promising therapies in existence today get predictably censored or vilified on those platforms. So for now, podcasts seem to be the place where we are allowed to speak freely, and Dr Yoho andI did just that.
Speaker 1:So if you've been following my show, you know one of the biggest topics I've been covering is the problem of toxicity and how we heal from it. Even though he is retired, dr Yoho has been researching alternative healing like it is his job and, similar to me, he's also been his own guinea pig for all sorts of different therapies, and it had been a while since I interviewed him. So I wanted to do a show that encapsulated the best of what he has found and experienced since we last talked and of all he has researched and tried. We narrowed the list down to the three standout options of chlorine dioxide, dmso and the lesser known OSR, which stands for oxidative stress relief and which has a dramatic power to deal with the problem of heavy metals in the body. Now, in fairness to the listener, we barely scratched the surface of these three therapies, so our intent here is as much to pique your interest and invite the listener. We barely scratched the surface of these three therapies, so our intent here is as much to pique your interest and invite the listener, and especially our science-minded listeners. Please don't just take our word for it, but take a deeper look into all three of these topics. I'll have links for you in the show notes where you can go all the way down the rabbit hole and research to your heart's content, and I am confident what you will find will blow you away.
Speaker 1:Okay, before I go any further, this is a great place to remind the listener that nothing in this podcast is personal advice. If you try any of the things we talk about today, you do so at your own risk. But what you will hear in this episode is a jaw-dropping list of ailments and stories of healing that, on the surface, will probably seem way overstated, especially if you come from a medical perspective. Yet everything we mention is very well documented by countless studies and a torrent of personal testimonies, so much so that I think you'd be silly to just dismiss it. So let me present you with this idea.
Speaker 1:If the three therapies we talk about today became mainstream, they would literally make almost everything the pharmaceutical industry sells instantly obsolete. And that's the point. These therapies rarely break into the mainstream, and if you do search for them on a typical browser, what you're likely to find is a boatload of links that will try to scare you away from some of the safest, most potent products on the market. That is by design. And, in case you didn't know, google is owned by alphabet, who is also in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. And if you just can't believe that the medical industry wouldn't embrace real breakthroughs, then check out some of my earlier episodes, like episode two, where I deconstruct the history of conventional medicine, or my other interviews with Dr Yoho, dr Jen Vandewater or Dr Lee Vliet, to name a few. Once it clicks that conventional medicine isn't about healing, but it's about wildly profitable ongoing treatments and, even worse, it's about control, everything starts to make sense. One other thing to note is that Dr Yoho went right at vaccines as the number one contributing factor as to why 6 out of 10 people in the US today have at least one chronic health condition. He mentions a study that compared vaccinated people to unvaccinated people. The disease burden in the unvaccinated group is a paltry 2.64% compared to 60% of the rest of the population. I'll have a link in the show notes for that study as well.
Speaker 1:Friends, as I've been saying for a while now, our collective poor health is not a laziness problem. At its core we have a massive toxicity problem. We have been poisoned in a myriad of ways from birth to grave, and unless we address that upstream cause of poor health, we will be endlessly playing symptom whack-a-mole and we will wastefully chase fruitless treatments. It's time to change the game, or, as Dr Yoho put it at the end of the interview, it's time to drive a stake into the heart of Rockefeller medicine. That is what we are about here at Healing United. We are turning healthcare on its head and building person-centric programs to help people detox and heal so they can get back to living the life they love. If you want to find out more about our doctor-supervised, coach-led and community-supported detox programs, visit us at healingunitedtoday, and I'll have a link for that in the show notes as well. Okay, without further ado, get ready for another thought-provoking conversation with my friend and truth-teller, dr Robert Yoho. Okay, hello everyone, welcome to today's show.
Speaker 1:I am honored to have Dr Robert Yoho back on the podcast for his third episode.
Speaker 1:He was actually the first guest of my entire show and so in case you have not heard the first two interviews with him, let me give you a little background about my friend Robert. He is a retired medical doctor with 40 years of experience and he is the face behind the popular sub stack Surviving Healthcare, where he writes about healthcare corruption, covid frauds, the global psychopaths and US constitutional decay, which are all things I've covered on my show. So you can probably tell why I like him so much. But he reached out to me during the height of the COVID hysteria, after I published my 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a COVID Vaccine, and we became fast friends. He even came here to Florida and I got to meet his wife and we got to spend an afternoon to the beach together.
Speaker 1:So from time to time I'd say Robert and I have kind of switched roles from teacher to student and I'm not sure who was taught who more, but I can confidently say that anything I may have taught Robert, he just quickly surpasses my depth of knowledge on a topic. It's just a delight to become his student. So he's a gifted teacher and synthesizer and, to his credit, he is quick to change his mind if he's presented with compelling evidence and he is 100% unafraid to call things like he sees it. So, robert, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2:It is so good to be with you again, christian thank you, you don't have to be that flattering, but I appreciate it. I'll lap up anything you say and of course you can tell Christian and I regard ourselves as old friends now, so it's always fun to do a podcast with somebody you know.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is All right. Well, let me toot your horns a little bit more. So I went back and looked and our last interview was about 16 months ago and it's been fun keeping up with your work because you have just been on one of the most accelerated learning curves of anybody I know and just by the nature of your inquiry, you're simultaneously aggressively studying the natural health space and researching like your life depends on it. But it goes deeper than that for you, because you're also someone who asks the why? Question. You're finding so many powerful therapies and you're saying, why are these not mainstream?
Speaker 1:And, to your credit, you don't want the superficial answer, you want the real answer and for those willing to look and try to find the answer to why such dramatic things are so ruthlessly suppressed can be an ugly story, but you have the will to face it. So I guess I wanted to give the listener just a little window into what that's been like for you. So you're not just some research cyborg, you're a real person. And so, before we get to kind of the three topics we want to cover today, just give the listener a little more background on what it's been like for you personally or emotionally, just as a retired medical doctor waking up to the realities of what became the theme of your sub stack of healthcare corruption, covid fraud, global psychopaths and US constitutional decay.
Speaker 2:It's been painful and I think the most difficult thing in life is changing your mind. And some of my friends say I'm good at it. I don't know whether they mean I'm wishy-washy, but it's. You know, you develop a knack for it in an environment like this and I've written four books and I've written I've got 1.2 million words in print on my sub stack and I spend my time editing and as I edit I think about things and try to synthesize them and try to improve the writing. And as I do that, I find I change my mind.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I change my mind in the middle of a story and flip on whoever it is I'm interviewing and realize I'm interviewing a limited hangout or another freaking psychopath, and then I write it up differently. So I started out, I retired at 65 and you know I was a cosmetic surgeon and we have a lot of litigation and it, you know it's not unique to me and towards the end all my friends sort of got knocked out of the the game by litigation and I was on the point of being knocked out, but I was ready to retire anyway. So I just, you know, resigned my medical license and started writing, and I'd been writing for two years before that, I just was attracted to the medical corruption thing and I eventually wrote this.
Speaker 2:Butchered by Healthcare book. Yeah yeah, that was sort of my strongest offering. It took me three years to figure out and write, and my I don't have a copy of my most recent one. My most recent one was about dentistry and it's called Judas dentistry, which the dentists are Judas's when you get right down to it, because they do several things that are absolutely wrong and bad for your health not bad for your health, but mortal. And the worst is root canals. They should never do another root canal. Those things are they basically. They bleed bacteria from them as long as they're in your mouth. They cause coronary disease, they cause cancer, they cause inflammatory syndromes. My wife had three or four of them, I forget, and she got them taken out and her fatal disease went away. She had amyloidosis and there are many, many stories about that for breast cancer and a lot of other inflammatory diseases. And then they use mercury in their amalgams, which are linked into the main problems we're facing now, which is the vaccine.
Speaker 1:So, I mean, I can go into that if you want, but yeah, we'll get into some of those stories as we go, and I guess one of the things I wanted you to comment on you've used the word the FDA's dark criminality, as you've described some of what you're running into, and because the three things we're going to talk about today are chlorine dioxide, dmso and OSR, and you can't study those without also coming across just the ruthless suppression of them, and they're such great catalysts for healing, but once you start looking for them, what you're going to find is just a bunch of misdirection on the internet. So give people a little sense of how, of what they're, how that system works and why it's so hard to find good information these days.
Speaker 2:So my last post. You know I'm derivative. I can't claim I have any original thoughts except for the synthesis of what's going on, but I summarized. There's this fellow called a Midwestern doctor Most of you probably heard of him and he writes a sub stack and he turns out an incredible volume of content. And he he wrote a seven or eight posts about DMSO and he essentially convicted the FDA of suppressing that which, in essence, murdered millions of people.
Speaker 2:And so the FDA has been slaughtering us for decades. Their leaders should be hung. Their employees should be stripped of their degrees and forbidden to work in science, government or related industries on pain of death. They should be turned out into the street to watch their buildings burned and the ground they stood on sown with salt so no evil crop could ever grow there again. And that was the end of my last post, and so that's. My feelings about the FDA are clear. They're a part of an evil triad with the National Institute of Health, the NIH and the CDC, who are equally corrupted and equally doing their best to reduce the population by destroying our health. I mean, it's crazy, it's hard to believe.
Speaker 1:I told you he's not afraid to tell it like he sees it. That is it's you've and I. What I appreciate you is about you is you don't come to statements like that lightly. No, you do it based on what you find and you, once you see it, you can't unsee it and it's just painful. But at some point we have to face it so we can acknowledge it and deal with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm most familiar with the FDA because as a physician. They supposedly help regulate the drugs and they do exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to do. They promote the pharma stuff and the profits at the expense of our health. They're supposed to protect the public and they don't. And the FDA's involvement in a negative way is a marker for truth, oddly enough, because their lies make you look more closely at something, and that's certainly what happened to me with chlorine dioxide and DMSO.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay, well, give us an update. So you've kind of given humanity the gift of being quite transparent with your story. So you were diagnosed with Parkinson's and, as you mentioned, your wife was sick as well. She was diagnosed with cancer. That's why you have been researching like your life depends on it.
Speaker 1:But, given the reach of the audience you have now with your sub stack, you've been publicly telling your story and you've been presented with so many different therapies and shiny objects and opinions on what you might do to heal yourself. And you've really zeroed in on the three things chlorine dioxide, dmso and OSR. So I wanna kind of take them one at a time and just really feel free to weave your story into the conversation, with how you've used them or what you found. But let's start with chlorine dioxide. So there's so much we could say, both of us on this topic in particular. Both of us have said quite a bit, but summarize it for somebody who's hearing about this for the first time. What is it in a paragraph or two? And how would you describe what chlorine dioxide is and what it does?
Speaker 2:Before I get into that, let me describe my Parkinson's and why and what I think about it in brief. Okay, great, what's happened? So I was diagnosed 18 months after having a tremor for 10 years, and so I got into this thing and I started to look at it carefully and I realized that mercury seems to be the cause of a lot of Parkinson's and an awful lot of medical problems. And I had three features that I could blame on the mercury. I could, I could. I've got minor scoliosis, which is a mercury feature. I've got the Parkinson's, which is clearly related, and I have a quirky personality which you could testify to.
Speaker 2:So the listeners are not familiar with what mercury does neurologically. Alice in Wonderland the story had a little part that said mad as a hatter to describe mercury toxic hatter, which is a commonly known in the. I think it's the 1700s when the hatters used mercury to treat the hats they made and they were all kind of crazy because they were mercury toxic and it was never recognized at the time what it was, but it was recognized that they had some sort of problem. So I've got all three and I've, you know, I've gone through an awful lot of things to treat it and basically my status seems relatively stable. But you know, to treat an injury like that, which you've had for at least a decade, is not easy, and Parkinson's is particularly refractory or difficult to treat. So I don't think I've improved a heck of a lot, but I've learned, I've learned, and I've learned and I've learned. So, anyway, so you want us to go into chlorine dioxide?
Speaker 1:Yeah, start there, cause that's, I guess you would say, probably the number one thing for any doctor, coach, caretaker, anyone serious about their health. If you learn about chlorine dioxide, that has so much potential to help. So do I have that right, and how would you describe it?
Speaker 2:Chlorine dioxide was characterized by NASA as the universal antidote. And I first saw it when I saw this guy named Andreas Kalker, who is an annoying German that you have actually interviewed and I didn't want to interview him because he's so darn annoying and he is one of the key, you know, if not developers, certainly promoters of chlorine dioxide. This thing is. It's fascinating. It was discovered, you know. The compound has been known a long time. Sodium chloride, not chlorine. Sodium chloride combined with hydrochloric acid in very low concentrations produces a substance called chlorine dioxide, chlorine dioxide. And this fellow was on a gold mining expedition in South America and his crew fell morbidly ill and I think it was with dysentery or maybe malaria, and he, in desperation. He put a few drops of sodium chloride in a glass of water for each one and swallowed it and three hours later they were fine. They looked like they were on death's door. So he developed an interest in this and spent his entire rest of his life trying to understand and experiment about it and promote it, and that was Jim Humble, and he died last year, I think. Was it last year? I think it was last year, yeah. So I got my interest in it. When I want I will. I heard about this guy, this uh calcure, but I did. I just ignored him until uh christian interviewed him and I thought, well, he scooped me again, he scooped me again. So so I I looked at it carefully and realized that it was the most important medical advance possibly ever. I mean, that just sounds like insane hyperbole, is an insane exaggeration, but it's not the stuff. Ten million people are using it worldwide and it's been. It's been heavily documented with clinical case reports. It's not since big pharma is against it and they're against it because it would replace virtually every one of their medicines. They're against it. So it hasn't had randomized, controlled trials as much or any of this nonsense which opposes this medical science in the current day. But it's absolutely clear what's going on, based on the case reports and tens of thousands of case reports, and the case reports involve everything from curing diabetes and I've seen that with my own freaking eyes. A friend of mine took it and her diabetes. She had diabetes with blood sugars in the four hundreds, the insulin pump, the whole nine yards and that was cured in two weeks. And the only thing that would work that fast is a pancreatic infection of some time kind that was knocked out by the chlorine dioxide and that's one of the theories about how it works is it knocks out infections. But malaria is a horrible disease. It's the worst infectious disease on the planet for the last 100 years. It kills 3 million people plus a year, and chlorine dioxide kills it. It absolutely knocks it out. No recurrences after three doses over 18 hours. It kills Lyme disease, which is. You can read about my analysis of it. But that thing was developed by the US military as a bioweapon and it either got loose or was released in the American population and now it infests probably a double-digit percent of all the population and they're symptomatic in a single-digit percent of our population. And it's just horrible. It's chronic fatigue and all kinds of other problems. These people are non-functional and it cures it in a month.
Speaker 2:Many cancers, including things like disseminated pancreatic cancer, are cured with chlorine dioxide and breast cancer is commonly cured with chlorine dioxide. It takes several hours to sort of start to understand it. You can read Christian's substacks or mine, uh, but as a start. But, um, to really understand it you have to work on it for a while so you understand how to use it and how to avoid misstepping. But um, there there are many autoimmune diseases that chlorine dioxide knocks right out. And basically the stuff the the explanation for it. The best science that we have suggests that when you swallow some in water it goes to every part of your system and is attracted to acidic areas. And these acidic areas are pathologic. They're either areas of infection with yeast or fungi, bacteria or viruses. And, of course, and this stuff knocks out COVID in a couple of doses I mean, covid is nothing burger and then it somehow improves the physiology in these acidic areas and then and then it cures all these diseases.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's just, oh, it's remarkable. I remember interviewing Kalker and he described it as combustion, like it just kind of whooshes through and oxidizes out the whatever. It has an affinity for pathogens and toxins and it just has an ability to dissolve things. It's actually, if you look to buy it, you have to buy it for water purification, and if you kind of get the, the human body is mostly comprised of what Water You're essentially it's a way of purifying the water in you and it's what gives it the breadth of all these different things he's talking about. And if you haven't seen Robert's most recent post, there's just this gigantic list of documented stories of people recovering from so many different conditions and it really is, as far as we can tell, it's just the purification element about that. But anything else you want to say about that, because I know there's, if you?
Speaker 2:The easiest path to understanding it. I've got links in the top paragraph of every post, I've got it in bold and if you subscribe to my Substack, there is my pitch Surviving Healthcare robertyohosubstackcom. In the top of every post. You can learn about, basically about the stuff we're going to talk about today, and there's comprehensive links to where to buy chlorine dioxide, how to use it, how to make it all that stuff. So thank you for giving me a kick in that direction, christian. I didn't want to miss that story.
Speaker 1:No, I'm glad you looked into it because, like I said, you have far surpassed the depth of research and you've traveled and interviewed so many people about it. Now just to do your own due diligence, and it's fun to learn from you now. So give a few practical tips or tidbits on chlorine dioxide One, how easy is it to make it and how expensive is it, and I'll ask you a couple others after that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the value of treatments is inversely related to the cost, right? So things like cancer chemotherapy, which costs millions a year sometimes, are almost completely useless. There's five cancer entities for which a therapeutic effect or an improvement in death which is all you really care about occurs. The rest of them, they claim two months survival benefit or there's no survival. In the case of radiation oncology, which is blasting cancers, it doesn't work at all. It literally doesn't work at all. One entity, that's prostate cancer, supposedly helps and you have to do an invasive procedure where you plant these radioactive seeds around your prostate.
Speaker 2:Or you could do chlorine dioxide or you could do chlorine dioxide and get a cure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so four pennies on the dollar.
Speaker 2:So so the price is is cheap. What were your other parts of your question?
Speaker 1:well, just how to make it so, how you like, you're basically just making other key key things.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you can buy the two components from amazon and I've got links for them. Christian has links for them. They may change, but you can look up chloride, sodium chloride, 22.5 percent or whatever it is 25 percent and four percent hydrochloric acid. Now you can make enough to treat the city you're in for six months for less than $200 through the directions that are in the best resource, which is theuniversalantidotecom. That was put together by an anonymous source and it is absolutely fabulous. By an anonymous source and it is absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 2:One of the key points about chlorine dioxide is you got to start low and go slow. It's critical because otherwise you get this Herxheimer reaction which will give you fatigue or diarrhea. No one's ever been killed by it as far as I know, and I've got 350, 400 hours in plus studying it and it's just like everything else we're going to talk about today. It's freaking, totally safe, but you can get a Herxheimer reaction.
Speaker 2:The Herxheimer thing was originally described for penicillin treatment of syphilis and penicillin knocks that syphilis right off, but it turns the little spirochetes into multiple pieces that make you kind of sick for a while, maybe 24, 48 hours at the most. But you can be fatigued, get a fever, get rashes. Usually a Herxheimer reaction from chlorine dioxide or DFSO which we're going to chat about later is milder. You just feel fatigued. And the key to these treatments is start low and go slow. And there are specific directions about starter protocols for chlorine dioxide in theuniversalantidotecom and so I recommend and I've never been a cautious fellow, I've always taken too much and I paid the price, and I still pay the price yeah, so I get tired.
Speaker 1:It's like working out or something and uh, yeah, so at a minimum I get tired one of the one of the upsides I suppose if there is one to herxing is just oh, it's something's working. It's a symptom that your body's starting to detox and there really is something that needs to get out. And it's an invitation to make sure you get your exits open. You move and you sweat and you bathe and breathe and poop and all the things you can be doing to let those toxins circulate their way to the exit. So, yeah, he's right, just take it slow, like with all the things we're going to talk about. And, as both of us would say, none of this is personal advice. It's just kind of lessons from doing this and do your own research on it.
Speaker 2:But man is this stuff it's for entertainment value only Right? I can tell you it's entertaining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can listen to us banter. So a couple other things about it. You can use it orally, topically, in IVs or enemas, and there's a difference between chlorine dioxide and chlorine dioxide solution, so tell the listener the difference between those two.
Speaker 2:Okay. So if chlorine dioxide is used topically, you need to combine it with DMSO, which makes it penetrate. It doesn't work very well as a topical solution without DMSO. It might work on open wounds, it's been described Anyway. So the difference between CDS chlorine dioxide solution and chlorine dioxide Chlorine dioxide refers to all kinds of chlorine dioxide products, and the one that's traditionally used is mixed on the spot with two different solutions One, 4% hydrochloric acid, which is about the same concentration as your stomach acid. This is not something that's going to burn your hand. And number two, sodium chloride solution, and that's a super saturated solution, so you can't put any more into water than that which I believe is 22.5%. Is that correct, christian?
Speaker 1:I don't know the number on that.
Speaker 2:But anyway you can order that stuff and then you combine it in drops, a few drops, and then you dilute it in an entire liter. So currently I'm taking 10 drops of each, and when you refer to drops you refer to drops of one component or the other. You don't say 20 drops. I'm taking 10 drops, which is 10 drops of each in a liter of water drunk over a day, and that's still probably too much for me. I probably use six drops, but people work up to a lot more. And the chlorine dioxide solution is a method popularized not invented but popularized by Kalker where you put the two solutions, one in a little container that is exposed to the water in the rest of the container and you put the two components in that little container and then that makes the chlorine dioxide solution solubilize into the water and the rest of the container and it's supposedly a little more pure.
Speaker 2:But that method is not as strong as the chlorine dioxide drops. It doesn't manage to treat successfully. It doesn't treat successfully either malaria or autism. Now, autism is almost impossible to treat, but Carrie Rivera, who I've interviewed, is the authority on that and she has remarkable success. Not with them all, but she gets them to talk and it's somehow purifying or treating or getting rid of the acidic areas in these little kids with enemas and oral and baths. It brings them out of this thing. I mean, it's just, it's a stunning. It's a stunning thing and she's available at Carrie, at Carrie Rivera dot com. That's her email and if you guys who are listening have autistic kids and you need to consult, it's not very expensive. I think it's $150 or $175 for the first hour and you can get an enormous out of it, enormous lot out of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, she's. I'm looking forward to interviewing her myself. I there's, I have envisioned a almost an autism series because it's such a growing problem and specific to what God will come to when we come to OSR. But the vaccine problem and where, where these kids are being poisoned. And she has done so much of just God's work out there, not, you know, just getting the accolades, he's just doing the hard labor figuring out how to help these people. So that's yeah, I would second that and it's a testament. Even Calker in his book he's got a very onerous, complicated parasite protocol for detoxification and supposedly that he's they've helped about 350 kids reverse autism with chlorine dioxide as one of the therapies mixed into how to help autistic kids.
Speaker 1:So anyway, these are big stories or big claims, and we are not. We're just saying go. We are saying this because it needs to be said. When you go search for this stuff on the internet, what you're going to find is everything to scare you away from it. And we just want to have a counter story out there that says maybe the story you're finding when you go searching is there intentionally. And we want you to do your due diligence and Robert and I especially Robert have just done deep dives, trying to say here if you're taking an honest look at it, here are the things to look at. Anything you want to add to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, calcar Kerry, mark Brennan and Jim Humble were the original group who promoted this stuff after Jim Humble discovered and developed the ideas. So you know, they all know each other and they really have done a wonderful job. It's kind of too late to stop this juggernaut. And they had seminars in 100 countries plus, yeah. And then they threw grennan and his sons in jail. Uh in, uh they. They threw a bag over his head and took him out of colombia illegally and then, you know, he did a monkey trial in the united states and his he got out of jail and his sons are still in jail. I mean, it's just a prison. It's a remarkable story for doing something that never harmed a soul and cured so many people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so go look into it. We've got resources and links and they'll have some in the show notes for you where you can go look more closely at it. So, okay, well, let's switch to DMSO. So you've been experimenting with that lately and if you were to summarize it maybe in a paragraph or two, because there's so much that could be said about it, but get us in the ballpark. If you've never heard of DMSO, what is it? What does it do? How would Robert Yoho describe it?
Speaker 2:So DMSO we have 30 plus years experience with these things, with fluorine dioxide and DMSO, and DMSO is it was developed by Stanley Jacobs, who was an academic in Oregon, and DMSO is, contrasted to chlorine dioxide has an enormous academic literature behind it and I believe I don't want to misquote this, but I'm pretty sure it was the early 60s when it I think it was 1965.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in 1965, it was rendered illegal by the FDA. But the academics behind it are unquestionable and in veterinary medicine it's an accepted thing. It's used to improve their athletic recovery after injuries. To improve their athletic recovery after injuries. But the general disease in humans it's been proven to treat strokes, improve survival, improve traumatic brain injury survival, cure spinal cord injuries in some cases and many circulatory disorders. I mean, it's a remarkable ability to treat pain and I was using it topically because it's a small molecule that penetrates right into the body. You have to kind of watch it because you have ethyl alcohol on there and it'll bring that into the the body and that's not good for you. In fact it's poisonous if you get too much. But and if you, if you've got soap on your extremity where you're putting the DMSO on, you know the soap soap goes right into your body too.
Speaker 1:OK, well, zoom out with me. So where does this come from?
Speaker 2:in nature, Okay it comes from a tree. I don't know exactly how, but it's a biological product and not some horrible chemical. And if you look at Wikipedia, it looks like it's synthesized in a laboratory, but it's not. There's one company that makes most of it from trees.
Speaker 2:It's just an herb basically makes most of it from trees. It's just an herb basically. It's essentially an herb and it should be called natural tree syrup therapy or something like that. But it's not. And I mean, I started using it topically and it helped a little bit, but when I started taking it orally it stunned me. The lethal dose is two quarts taken within an hour, so it's very safe in the doses that are used.
Speaker 1:Which nobody would ever take yeah.
Speaker 2:Nobody would ever take that. It doesn't taste very good. They have a prisoner study where they had them drink about a cup of it a day for three months and they all just sailed through. They never even noticed any problem. And they all just sailed through. They never even noticed any problem. And I'm taking two tablespoons a day. One tablespoon twice a day and it just tuned up all my aches and pains. I go to the gym and I do back squats and now I can get all the way down. My knees are much, much better. It's not instantaneous, but Christian's just looking at incredulity at me instantaneous. But Christian's just looking at incredulity at me at 71 doing back squats. He's just shaking his head. No, it's impossible. The story is incredible.
Speaker 1:It is because I've I have trained no shortage of people in every decade of life and there aren't many 70 somethings who can do a full squat and then to know that I didn't say a full squat.
Speaker 2:I said I got lower than I could before.
Speaker 1:All the way down sounded like anyway, but it's pretty close but you have a significant injury history with all your rock climbing, which makes it more compelling that yeah, even things that many decades old are healing I evulsed my quadricep or pulled it off of my kneecap and had to get repaired twice, twice because I worked out too soon on it.
Speaker 1:Oh geez, yeah, smart me right, but you've got and you're so you had. I think it was yesterday you published another dmso substack and the like to your what you were saying earlier. The list of things that this can help with it's it's similar to chlorine dioxide, like how in the world could it possibly help that many different conditions I can?
Speaker 1:I could read a long list to hear if we want some, but what? What could you say like? What do we perceive to be the mechanism of action of, of why this is so potent? What is it doing in the body to your understanding?
Speaker 2:I you know I almost generically don't do mechanisms right it doesn't make any difference. Okay, what makes a difference is clinical case reports and not even double blind case reports, because those costs many millions each, sometimes hundreds of millions, and are only accessible to drug companies, which are all pathological crooks. So case reports are where it's at, in my opinion. So I mean it even treats micro clotting. It's a blood thinner, so I think it would replace all the current blood thinners, which caused lots of problems, with something that was completely non-toxic and safe. And it just brings down inflammation, which you know, christian and I have gone down this path and we view inflammation as the kind of root of all evil and health, you know, poor health.
Speaker 1:Well then, just figuring out why, are we inflamed in the first place is kind of the question.
Speaker 1:And yeah, some of that just comes back to oh, let's see, I had 17 mercury fillings in my mouth and I had root canals and I had exposure to this, that and the other.
Speaker 1:And yeah, once you can recognize that part of how I conceive of or describe DMSO, nudge me if I'm missing it or wandering here, robert, but to me it's the closest thing I'd say is like a carrier agent and it's like this ability to kind of whoosh through and it's almost like it just pushes out what shouldn't be there and somehow in its tailwindwind it brings what is supposed to be there. And you can use dmso to help your body get aloe in it or you could use it. Even that guy you interviewed, um, talked about having silver with it, or some people do herbs like it's just a way to help bring in. You just got to be careful with what's on your skin or how you're using it. But you can use use it with chlorine dioxide, like you mentioned, to increase the efficacy of it. So is that a reasonably good explanation for what we think's going on here?
Speaker 2:I think you I don't know, but the list of things that Are so well documented yeah, they're so well documented. I mean it treats Bell's palsy, sometimes gets rid of it, down syndrome I don't know how it does that All these inflammatory diseases and musculoskeletal conditions, liver failure, gallstones, type 1 and type 2 diabetics have reported that DMS-Co reduced their need for insulin pancreatitis, kidney disease, chronic pain. It helps wound healing a great deal open and closed wounds. I mean. It gets rid of bruising. And there's an entity where what I really liked about it, attracted to me about it at first, was its ability to help remodeling of tissues. And maybe I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping it'll remodel my ankles because my ankles are arthritic and it certainly decreased the pain. I'm much, much, much better after a month of using it and I seem to be progressively getting better. The remodeling has been pretty well documented in scleroderma, microscopically. I mean it helps hair loss, I mean that's-.
Speaker 1:Herpes and canker sores is another one. Herpes and canker sores and so-.
Speaker 2:Gums disease, quadriplegics gradually regain motor function. I mean, this is like it's an amazing, amazing thing. Traumatic brain injuries, yeah, and you mentioned painkillers earlier.
Speaker 1:Like in those NSAIDs and opiates, you're killing how many people a year and earlier, like in those NSAIDs and opiates, are killing how many people a year. And this just has. It's basically the same thing it's harmless.
Speaker 2:There are no clearly documented deaths associated with it. There is a one in 2000 allergy rate severe allergy rate with it and somebody apparently died when they didn't stop taking it when they got very sick with the allergy. But that's the only documented fatality that's even associated with it and I don't think you can call that causal because nobody but a dummy would keep taking it if they got a huge rash and couldn't breathe. So that was sort of a. What do they call that? One of those elimination? You know it's an. What do they call the videos where somebody does something very stupid and dies? The Darwin Awards, Darwin Awards, that's right, it's a Darwin Award, it's not a DMSO criticism.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, that was a it's.
Speaker 2:Blindness has been cured. Cataracts Visual acuity improves I mean this just sounds insane. Cataracts visual acuity improves I mean this just sounds insane. It does. But I I reviewed this. This guy put all the dmso stuff together in about a 90 000 word document and that's the midwestern doctor, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yeah okay okay, so you summarize.
Speaker 2:He's got five other posts. Yeah, you know, I told him write a book, but try to clean up his prose. Okay, well, for my science minded listeners, just give them a sense of the breadth and depth of.
Speaker 1:You know I told him to write a book, but try to clean up his prose For my science minded listeners. Just give them a sense of the breadth and depth of the studies that have been done on DMS. So I think I have the numbers from your post, but tell them what they are.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the exact numbers, but this thing is as well documented as any drug that's on the market now. I mean, it has a huge number of studies and this academic, Stanley Jacobs from Oregon, he's sort of the grandfather of this whole thing and he did a lot of studies himself. But since then, I mean, what are the numbers you have?
Speaker 1:I have 3,000 studies and over 500,000 patients that have been used it and studied. So I think I got that from your post, so I imagine people find it right there. But anything else you want to say about the studies that you've found or looked at, in just being able to create the list that you have?
Speaker 2:10,000 articles on the biological implications and 30,000 articles on the chemistry. I mean, there's a lot of studies on chlorine dioxide, but the stunning thing about chlorine dioxide is the case reports, this stuff. We've got all the case reports, including the veterinary reports. Plus we have studies, so there really is no excuse for the FDA not to have approved this drug. I mean, it's just an outrage, and they're basically have killed a lot of people by keeping it out of our hands and destroying our ability to use it. The doctors are all chickens, you know. They're afraid to do it because they'll lose their license once the FDA gets off the train.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I read a book this year called how is it the Lethal Dose, and she just kind of finally solidified for me this concept of standard of care and how. That's just professional handcuffs. You have to fall in line with whatever the accepted standard is and if you do that and you murder somebody, too bad for them. But if you do anything outside that and there's a consequence, boy, now you're off the reservation and the powers that be won't protect you anymore. But to your point, doctors are stuck in that I can only do what's standard or I can't work. And that's part of the whole system that they're participating in and part of what we're just trying to lay out for people to be able to see it. That's part of why studies like this we couldn't have more. And yet, to Robert's point, they're still afraid to use this because it's not standard of care.
Speaker 2:Now, the footnote to what you said is that doctors are allowed to use drugs off-label that are approved for something else, and DMSO before they really got going on it. It was approved for a bladder inflammation and so they use it for that. What's that called Cystitis, something? Cystitis, Interstitial cystitis? I think there you go. I might be wrong about that, but you are allowed to use it. It's available. You can go to dmsocom dmsostorecom and buy gallons of it, which is what I've done.
Speaker 1:Which is also significantly inexpensive, like chlorine dioxide. That's the other beautiful part of it. It's also significantly inexpensive, like chlorine dioxide. That's the other beautiful part of it. It's just and it's compared to all these other expensive treatments.
Speaker 2:A gallon of that stuff, which would be for one person it would last years, is less than $100. No, it's a little over $100.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and to close an open loop, some listener may have that, like Robert mentioned in your post, you say the FDA murdered Dmso in november of 1965 they put a ban on researching it. But then in 1994 the deshay act that this dietary supplement, health and education act was passed, that kind of took away the fda's power to keep it under wraps, and so that's why it started to make a comeback.
Speaker 2:but it's still because it was a natural product. Right that took away the. Fda's ability to regulate things that weren't synthesized. This thing is a natural. It's made from it's just essentially trees.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay, and so you have been using it obviously, so tell people a little bit of some of your experience. Obviously, you mentioned improvement in ankles. Any other things?
Speaker 2:you want to tips you want to give people related to its usage. Well, I think you know there's a trend to being conservative and there's nothing wrong with being conservative, but this stuff's harmless and I take it orally and I think if you take it with food there's less chance you're going to upset your stomach. It's not very upsetting. Anyway, I brush my teeth with it because it helps gums improve and helps the adherence to teeth improve, and I've got some recession. So I take a teaspoon of it and brush my teeth with it once a day and then I take the rest of it in orange juice or and sometimes in the middle of a meal. So I think you know it's always good to be careful with your tummy, and taking a lot of supplements all at once is not the best policy, as I've learned in my chagrin.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, the amount that you've I've seen. You sent me a video of, like your supplement warehouse that you have, or graveyard perhaps, and it's remarkable, the stuff you're willing to try and go through to find the best for the rest of us. So thank you for doing that. Okay, so this may be the most important part of the whole podcast today, so if you're half listening, pay attention. So, one of the things I heard in your interview with Herb, where you guys were talking about DMSO and he said that the more toxic the body is, the more you're going to stink when you use dmso, and apparently your wife made some rude claim. Well, I started stinking when you began.
Speaker 2:Actually, you know, I feel that I'm quite toxic, right, I feel like I hurts with both dmso and um chlorine dioxide, for example but but I didn't really have much trouble with that. I just said that because I just wrote that that was dramatic. But a lot of people do get a garlic breath or a garlic smell when they use chlorine dioxide and it's quite objectionable for some people, and maybe my wife doesn't have much of a nose, but I don't get a lot of complaints about that. Okay, good, yeah, so, and the story is supposedly that once you start to recover, the smell goes away because you're not earthy anymore and you don't get. Yeah, so that's who knows.
Speaker 1:But you've been able to stay married through despite yeah and frequent stinking.
Speaker 1:Okay, good. So just forewarning, if you start to detox, there might be a little like, oh, like we can smell the funk coming out of you. So like smell, yeah, all right. Well, um, obviously inexpensive. There's talk about using it with water, so do you? Do? You and herb talked about the importance of diluting it just a little bit to get it wet, cause it's once it has taste water, it just it gets it craves more, and that's part of what makes it work. Tell me a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:Well, herb. Herb says that he uses it in multiple different dilutions depending on the use. Okay, it sounds like overkill to me, but mixing it with 30% water, for example, or even 10% water, seems like a good first step. When you get the stuff in and if you try to swallow it without mixing with water, it heats up in some sort of reaction and I'm always afraid it's going to burn me. But I use 100% DMSO to brush my teeth with and of course it's mixed with water in the saliva and it makes my whole mouth sort of warm and I use two minutes on my Sonicare and then I swallow that along with some more water. So I don't know if I have anything smart to say about that, except for the general recommendation is to dilute it, especially if you're using it on the skin surface. It doesn't work as well without being diluted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, that's one of the things I noted, and Colker talks about it in his book. He's got a topical protocol and one of the suggestions is you can combine it with 70% DMSO. So I guess the 70% is the DMSO and the 30% is the water. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Yes, that makes sense Okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, very good. And the other couple practices Use it in your eyes. Yeah, you did that, didn't?
Speaker 2:you. Oh, yeah, yeah, how did that go? So I have you know, among all my other problems, they have macular degeneration. It's mild, I'm hoping, but the treatment with chlorine dioxide, dmso and other things like castor oil, believe it or not, help macular degeneration. And to make it easy for you, you can put the DMSO-chlorine dioxide combination on your eyelids and that penetrates right through to the retina because the DMSO carries it through.
Speaker 2:But I was using drops in my eyes and I made the mistake of not diluting the stuff with saline. I just used water. So it really stung and I put up with that for several weeks and then I thought, well, this is enough of this. But later on I talked to an expert who says I was told me I was an idiot, that I should have used saline and I wouldn't have had any trouble. But you can check my iPost about that.
Speaker 2:But I believe the DMSO is something like four to one, saline to DMSO, something like that. It might be 10 to one, but it's not going to hurt you or cause any permanent damage and the chlorine dioxide is something similar. So I think that that's the strongest thing for getting rid of macular degeneration. For cataracts, it's hard to imagine there are treatments for cataracts, but apparently the castor oil is a pretty good treatment and even a month of that you get rid of early cataracts, which is sick. I mean, just think of all the surgery and all the nonsense and all the lenses and all the other crazy stuff that we've done for cataracts when there's something easy, that's safe, never cause problems and available everywhere for cataracts.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, the other big tip I want to make sure we leave people is to make sure, if you're using it topically, that you're not also using it with makeup or sunscreen or hair dyes or any sort of other things on your skin, because you're going to drive that into your body. So that's just a practical thing if you're considering doing it. But you made a point toward the end of that post that I just thought was worth highlighting, so I wanna get your comments on it. You just said just the patience element. To reverse a major health condition can take months and there's an emotional recalibration it takes to say, okay, now I get to figure out how to be consistent at this over some time.
Speaker 2:So anything you wanna say about either your experience with it or stories you've read, or just the patience and consistency factor when it comes to some of these therapies we're talking about, Well, I didn't have to wait long for my improvement and in fact, this stuff, the DMSO, was the most dramatic treatment that I've ever taken symptomatically, and I've got athletic sprains and strains. I have hips that supposedly are bone on bone and the orthopedists all want to cut off the head of my femur and operate on me. But when you get right into it, you realize that the anatomy of your bony structures have almost nothing to do with your symptoms and people have anatomy that looks like mine and they are running marathons. So I wish I would have known this before.
Speaker 2:I did my shoulders. I've got two prosthetic shoulders with titanium alloy and so I've got that inside my body and my immune system has to cope with that. But I'm hopefully, hopefully I'll be able to stay away from hips. But I got better instantly and I progressively improved over two months and I'm still improving. And you know, like I say, I did fairly deep squats yesterday and deeper than I'd done in years. And I said I was doing deep squats and Christian envisions me with my butt on my heels, but that's not quite. It's not quite that good.
Speaker 1:Not quite that good, maybe yeah.
Speaker 2:Christian's a professional trainer.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and similar to you, like, as you're listening to this, I'm. I'm thinking of all the stupid things I did in the gym, or the ways I have pushed the envelope, trying so many things over the years, trying to find where the real limits are, and if nothing else, they the listeners can be laughing at us in the ways that we've been been the guinea pigs to come, you know, hack away through the options out there and come back and be like, hey, don't do that. This one's better though, and maybe don't put it in your eyes if you don't dilute it with saline. First, we're just willing to go out and try things and learn them, and then I love the thought that the body's not incapable of healing. It just takes longer as we get older.
Speaker 1:And there's an element of like what's the return on this investment and how do I do it? And so I'm constantly in the practical weeds of how do I make this believable, approachable, methodical and strategic and this adaptable for people, and to me that's the fun place, because it's where the most of the stories are gonna come from. But so I'm not giving. My point is I'm not giving up on your knees in a deeper squat here.
Speaker 2:Okay, it is. What's the bottom line? And you know, I reviewed the natural approaches to vision improvement with a woman who did that. What was her name? Yeah, out in Ventura, and I've I concluded there were only two things in her program that seemed likely to be the uh, the big causes of improvement, and number one is get rid of your glasses or try to decrease their magnification, and number two was sun gazing, and she had all kinds of other exercises and this and that that never didn't seem to make any sense to me. But my vision has gotten better with just those two things. Yeah, and these glasses are close-up correction glasses for working on the computer and they're less strong than the ones I was wearing a month ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can see the difference that your face looks different with those on from last time we talked. No, it's great, I even have it for those interested. I have an interview with Carlos Moreno which is all about restoring your eyesight naturally, and the counterintuitive effort to relax instead of strain, instead of focus. It's weird how, if you train yourself to relax your eyes, that takes the pressure off of them and things will come back into focus, but you have to let it go out of focus first to get that benefit. And so it's there's so much to do.
Speaker 2:That inspired me to do my interview with someone else and she told me the same story. I don't believe it. I still don't believe it. I think the only two things are decreasing your correction if you wear corrective lenses, and sun gazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there you go. You've got three things to try. Go forth and try See what works for you. So anything else you want to say about DMSO before we move on. I've got the book people can can check out about it. But what other thoughts or anything we did not cover about this week? Obviously they can go find more in your substack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I. I thought this guy's, the Midwestern doctor's, treatment of it was more comprehensive, more convincing, and you know, I thought it was better, except for the grammatical errors and the usage errors in his posts. I thought it was better than anything that had been written about it, and I, of course, read the same book that you're referring to, and that was it doesn't have all this information. So if you, I've got a post, it's only 3,500 words long and you can look through this and get all the information and it's got all the links that Midwestern Doctor uses for his posts.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, I'll have that in the show notes for people. The book I was thinking of is the one I think it's on the same site where you can get DMSO. The title is DMSO for Humans and its Recipes and Treatments. It's by Herb Richards, so if you want to look, into it.
Speaker 2:Herb is the guy I interviewed, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's in his 90s. He sounds like he's sharper than most people in his 50s.
Speaker 2:You're like my goodness, I think he's in his 90s. You know, this Midwestern doctor guy reported that he had a lot of case reports of people who were very elderly, who had been using dmso for many years and they seem to retard their aging. So that's something somebody who's 71 like me is very attractive to hear. Yeah, yeah, I want to hear that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, come back in another 16 months yeah, we'll get the next update from robert and his continued healing journey. Okay, well, let's switch to OSR. So that's the last one, and you were the one that introduced me to this. I had so many wow moments as I went through this extensive post you did. I was blown away by how much work you put into that one. So, if I remember correctly, osr is something you came across because you were looking for a way to detox the mercury from your 17 fillings in your mouth. Is that right? Yeah, okay, cool. So give us some context and understand the significance of metal first and then we'll get into OSR.
Speaker 2:So can I talk about the control group study right now? Yes, absolutely, that's a great one, all right. So what's going on? What's important, what isn't important? I mean, it's just a hall of mirrors to figure out what is going on, and Christian and I have reviewed many, many topics, but it turns out there's a study that proved that the independent variable, the thing that's 10 times as important as everything else, are the vaccines and I'm not talking about the COVID vaccines, I'm talking about every vaccine.
Speaker 2:And someone figured out a simple way to study this, and they did this thing called the control group study. Now there's only 900,000 people in all the United States who've never had a single vaccine you know, these are the Amish and so on and the authors of the study somehow interviewed those people in a random fashion and they learned that their chronic disease rate was only 2.5%. So they didn't even have the vitamin K that they give to kids you know, little babies at the time of their birth. So now it's well known what the chronic disease rate is in the rest of society and is climbing dramatically. It's over 60%. Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 1:Six out of 10 people now have a chronic disease. And so you're saying that just to give the listener context. But those numbers against each other 2% compared to 60%, or two and a half compared to 60%, 2% compared to 60% or two and a half compared to 60%.
Speaker 2:So they you know there's ways that these people who write studies statistically compare two groups of people and typically, if there's less than a 5% chance that the difference could have been could occur by chance alone, that's considered very highly significant. In other words, that's a pretty good indication that what they're writing about is true, and that's called the p-value, without getting into detail. So the p-value for this thing was not 0.05 or 5%, it was something like 0.00001%. You know it was so small. Nobody had ever seen a p-value this small. So what that means is that it absolutely proves that the vaccines are the culprit for the chronic disease, Absolutely proves they're the independent variable. They're 10 times or 100 times as important as all the other things that we've been looking at, including diet, including EMF, including iodine deficiency, including exercise. Those things are insignificant compared to the vaccine. The vaccines are what's killing us, and it's been purposeful and it's frankly a nightmare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 1:It's hard to swallow because there's many things that implies and there's so much still ongoing irrational defense of it where, without evidence, without people won't even go there, like most people can't even name what. Can you even tell me? Three ingredients in one? Most doctors can't even answer that question. And that level of ignorance and that level of irrational defense. At some point we have to say what are we doing and what's the real problem here. And you've been willing to, both of us have been willing to talk about that. But I don't want to get too far off topic because I think the point you're making when it comes to OSR or all the metals that are in those shots, is a common problem we have. And that's just one place. Mercury has found its way or other heavy metals have found their way into our body. So is that kind of the summary of what you?
Speaker 2:Mercury is an exception to the idea that the vaccines are the sole cause or 99% of the cause or 95% of the cause of our chronic disease. Mercury is a problem and the reason. You know my speculation, since mercury the second biggest cause of mercury is vaccines. Right Until recently they all had mercury adjuvants, which means that mercury was every vaccine as a carrier protein or a carrier molecule and in theory they cut that out around 2000. But in practice they just changed the rules for reporting the mercury, so it's still everywhere and it's certainly in the flu vaccines. So mercury is a horrible toxic substance.
Speaker 2:And how they could have gotten away with you know, nobody was minding the ship at the FDA, there's nobody regulating the regulators and they somehow got mercury into those things. So I think that the mercury in the amalgams, which is common 40% of United States people and 60% of Europeans have amalgams and the mercury in the amalgams relates to the vaccine injury, you know, and it interplays Anyway. So that's my theory. But the absolute fact of the matter that's been established by the control group study is that the vaccines are the independent variable.
Speaker 1:They're the cause of the chronic diseases chronic diseases, which just says that the majority of the population has some level of at least initial metal toxicity and likely ongoing metal toxicity. I did an interview with Zen Honeycutt where we talked about the studies they did with public school lunches and fast food. I think it's like 18 different fast food companies, and the most shocking thing of the whole interview was the amount of heavy metals in both of those types of foods the school lunches and fast food. It was like 6,000% more than the safe upper limit, and so it's not just our vaccines and our mercury fillings in our mouth, it's also in our food. And then the reality that it is part of jet exhaust that we're getting more heavy metals.
Speaker 1:This is a significant issue that often I love my work because I I get I'm I'm tasked with finding causal factors like where do these problems come from? If I can work at the root cause level, I don't have to treat anything. It's the body sorted out, and what we're saying here is there's a significantly overlooked challenge of metal toxicity that we can now correlate to being injected repeatedly with liability-free arm juice dozens of times as a kid and then into adulthood. It's still with us and that's why I was so delighted to find your post on OSR, because there's something that I've never seen that had this much potential and this ease of use for something as significant as heavy metals. Because you try to get them out of your body and you don't do it well, you can end up making yourself worse.
Speaker 1:So talk to us a little bit about that or any comments on what I just said?
Speaker 2:Yeah, EDTA chelation is an unreliable way to get rid of mercury. So I may have misspoken earlier. I may the statistics I quoted about amalgams may be applied. It may be the statistics that are actually for root canals, which is a whole other story that I developed in my book Judas Dentistry. But you know the number. There's at least a third of us have amalgams and they're still dissolving in the United States. I'm not sure. I know the so on to OSR. So I'd been hearing ever since I started investigating mercury due to my Parkinson's and got my 17 root canals out. That was me, I'm sorry, 17 amalgams out at a Tijuana IAOMT dentist who was great.
Speaker 2:I've been trying to figure out a way to get rid of the mercury or improve my status somehow, and it took me down a lot of avenues. But when I got an invitation to visit Boyd Haley, who is the world's most famous expert on mercury toxicity and I'm quoting Bobby Kennedy here that's what he said on a podcast and I believe it he's done that's what he said on a podcast and I believe it. He's done a massive amount of work on it, and I interviewed him on the ground in Tennessee and his partner, david Kennedy, in San Diego. I took trips to see him each and spent a half a day with each one in interviews. And Boyd is just a genius. He's almost hard to understand because he's so high level and he has a hard time bringing it down to the level of somebody like me. But he invented you know, david Kennedy informed him about the problem some 20 years ago and he is a bench chemist and he invented a chelator that would bind mercury and essentially render it inactive. And this thing locks it up in such a way that it just can't, it doesn't do anything. And he got investors. He got all his friends a lot of them were dentists and David's friends to donate around $50 million for clinical trials and lab trials or lab animal trials, and those guys, they have plenty enough to get this stuff approved.
Speaker 2:It's totally harmless. There's never been an associated death or even anybody who got very sick. I mean, it's got a couple of very small problems that are very rare, which you can read about in that post. But it binds up. It's got these little chemical arms that wrap around the mercury. And what's even better is the structure of mercury is very close to the structure of gadolinium, which is that horrible contrast dye the radiologists use all the time and it binds up gadolinium, it binds lead and it binds cadmium, and these other things have not been studied. This extrapolation is from the structures and it binds other heavy metals.
Speaker 2:So this thing is a major advance. It's made from natural products, so it should be in an exempt category and not need FDA clearance. But these guys have gotten intimidated by the FDA and they're afraid of them and they basically stopped marketing it for a while and now it's back on the market in a buyer's club as a water purifier. There are a couple of Chinese imitators that basically are not pure enough to be used and have made people sick. So I don't recommend you get on the internet and search for OSR or NBMI, which is the other abbreviation for it. I don't remember the chemical structure, but this stuff's made from natural products and it should be sold as a supplement and we're hoping that, with Kennedy as the head of the health and human services, that that'll be allowed and that'll let this thing out of the bag.
Speaker 2:Right now it's expensive and we're trying to make enough money to keep the whole thing in business and be able to supply this thing cheaply. So it costs. It currently costs around $500 for a month. Now, a month of this stuff, I'm convinced, is enough to bend your health for the better. So I recommend, if you can afford that, to go for that and if you can afford longer courses for mercury. If you're a dentist, for example, you have mercury toxicity worse than I do and you'd better take that as long as you're a dentist, for example, you have mercury toxicity worse than I do and you'd better take that as long as you're alive, you know and you can afford it.
Speaker 2:But the problem with it is it's not a therapeutic agent. It just locks up the mercury, so damage that's already done, like Parkinson's disease, is not going to respond to it. Parkinson's is notorious for when it becomes symptomatic you've already got brain damage, and so that's the scoop. It's not. Usually it's not very dramatic. If you're acutely mercury toxic, like the gold miners in Columbia that they tested, then you feel way better when you get on the OSR.
Speaker 2:But for people who have subacute or chronic intoxications and that's what they call it intoxication I hate that word If you have subacute or chronic intoxications, you often don't notice too much. The newsflash is that I have two friends who got on it and they documented from their scans that their mercury levels dropped to zero. And it's in the post that will go out in a week exactly what the scans are and how they work. But they're electronic scans that can measure heavy metals in your body. So these two people had clearly documented decline in their heavy metals. They didn't have urine levels or anything like that.
Speaker 2:The studies, the $50 million worth of studies documented a lot of stuff like that a lot of urine levels that went up because it's getting excreted. The thought is that it's not mainly excreted but it is bound up in such a way that it's inactive. You know these metals. You should take this before you go in, for if you have to have a gadolinium, you should take a scooper of it, which is a couple hundred milligrams or 300 milligrams, an hour or two or three before you go in for the gadolinium scan. That way it'll bind that stuff up and it won't poison you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gadolinium, in case you didn't connect it. If you have an MRI and they use a contrast dye so they can see something, that's what he's talking about. So if you're going to get a contrast MRI, you would want to have some OSR on hand, because gadolinium is highly toxic, just makes it convenient for the doctors to peek into, look at stuff Similar to barium. You know you swallow radioactive, radioactive stuff, so you can it's insane, yeah. So, okay, well, tell people about. So you mentioned a little bit about the, I guess, regulatory roadblocks that these inventors kept coming into, so I'd love do you know anything about the natural sources of what they use to make OSR?
Speaker 2:I can't tell you. I don't know, but they are. It's a couple of natural products.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then what? Tell people about the? Anything else you want to say about the regulatory roadblocks they were running into, how fda kept changing the rules. But I also wanted you to tell people about the rat studies they did with osr and how the rats that they just couldn't poison them. So tell people about that well they could poison them.
Speaker 2:But it took a hell of a lot of mercury so they'd inject. They injected a bunch of rats with 17 times a lethal dose of mercury acutely lethal this isn't something that's chronically lethal or chronically damaging, like those of us with amalgams get. And then within a short time maybe a half an hour they gave them an injection of the OSR in DMSO and DMSO is used as a solvent, but I'm convinced that it helps. And DMSO is used as a solvent, but I'm convinced that it helps. And I take my OSR in DMSO because I want it to penetrate into these areas where the mercury is held, like inside the bones and inside your brain, and I want it to come out and get greeted by the OSR and bound up. So I think taking it with DMSO is the best idea. But the rats half of them survived at 17 times a lethal dose and at lower doses. They all survived and I can't quote exactly what it was I think what you had was like twice the lethal dose.
Speaker 1:So we know if we give a rat this much mercury it'll kill them, like every 100% of the time.
Speaker 1:They gave him 2X that, in the presence of OSR, none of them died. They all lived. Yeah, they all lived. It's that remarkable of a chelator. So a chelator if you don't know that word, it means it binds, it just grabs a hold of something, and so when we're talking chelates, it grabs it as a permanent bond. And if it can't get it out, the upside is it at least renders that heavy metal inert and it can no longer harm the body. If I understand that right. Is that what your research found.
Speaker 2:Edta is the best known chelator and that's used for various things and claimed to work for heavy metals. But in point of fact what it generally is thought to do is do a weak bond on these things, pull them out of the brain or wherever they are and unfortunately sometimes they get deposited in the kidneys or create other toxic issues when the chelator lets go of it. And the EDTA is not a strong chelator. This thing takes thousands of degrees of temperature to get the bond released. In other words, that's what's been done in the test tube and it just doesn't release for any reason. It just kills it. It kills the metal and wraps it all up with the chelator molecule and renders it inactive. Even if it doesn't leave the body, it's been rendered inactive.
Speaker 1:Yep, and you're never going to have your internal temperature hit thousands of degrees, so we can safely say you're going to be fine. So, um, okay, let's see what other any other things you want to mention about? Either your experience you know, you kind of went on this research odyssey following boyd and hayley and researching their work. Anything else you want to say about your experience or your work with them, um, or the, what their story taught you. Or your experience or your work with them, or what their story taught you. Or your experience using OSR.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't have any dramatic relief and I've used it every day for three months and then I've used it several times a week since and I didn't notice very much. But that was expected a lot, and so the other thing I want to say about these guys is I did a good brain biopsy on them, so that what that means is that I know them and they're very sincere. They're not in it for the money and it's been a I mean, it's been a very expensive odyssey for them and they and they are interested in trying to save us from mercury toxicity, which is a huge problem, and I think it's closely related to the vaccines and closely related to that control group study. You know exactly what percent of the problem is mercury, who knows but it's the only story out of all the dozens and dozens that I've covered which it seems to be a causal factor in the 60%.
Speaker 1:The 60% chronic disease burden that the US population suffers with and I guess from a coach perspective, I've been looking into detoxification really significantly since COVID kicked off or since the vaccine in particular rolled out, but really even before then, 2006 was kind of my first to wake up to like what in the? This is a much bigger problem and if there's hope for people who are hearing this and thinking I'm good, this is the win, there's to me. There's hope for people who are hearing this and thinking I'm good at this is the win. There's to me.
Speaker 1:There's a difference between detoxification, between purifying and taking things out of the body and actually healing the body. They're like. Thinking of them in two different tracks has been fun. One is about removing burden, the other is about nourishing deeply, and I've expanded my definition of nourishment beyond food. It's sunlight, it's water, it's hope, it is it my definition of nourishment beyond food. It's sunlight, it's water, it's hope, it's movement, it's many things that mechanically or psychologically, nutritionally, nourish the body in a way that if we can get this stuff out and we can render it like he's talking about and we can also work at healing.
Speaker 1:And there's so many promising therapies out there that also get suppressed. But that to me even for your story, robert, is where I think there's still a lot of hope and there's a lot of ground to be gained of. Yeah, we got to purify, we have to know how to get this crap out, but if we also have the diligence of study on really it's a short list is sometimes it comes back to the basics of you got to move and sweat and bathe and breathe and poop and get the body to have the stimulus it needs to turn the engine and have the patience to take that runway of healing. And, just to your point, healing is going to take a while. Okay, let me calibrate to that and work with it. But anything, any comments you want to add to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I interviewed Pierre Corey and Scott Marsland about their approach to vaccine injury which appeared. I mean, it is a very insightful interview and I learned a lot. I mean, now they convinced me that shedding is a real thing because they have ways to measure the spike protein load. But they have not approached DMSO or chlorine dioxide seriously and they're using a variety of treatments that are more like standard drugs. That it seems to be very successful, but I think a do-it-yourselfer could almost do as well if you get on chlorine dioxide and the MSO. Now the other thing I don't think I mentioned this, but the minimal effective dose for chlorine dioxide is unknown. It's probably very low. There were people that were taking water out of a river that had some chlorine dioxide poured into it. They were downstream in Africa and they had some healing effects from the dilute river water. I mean, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:Sounds like homeopathy.
Speaker 2:I know it's hard to believe, but we have all kinds of reports. Now, if you guys get on theuniversalantidotecom, there's a reference to a Telegram channel there and I summarized the case reports, or I took, you know, 5,000 words of case reports and put them in a post about a month ago. And they're not all using the stuff all day long, like Kerry Rivera suggests. They're not all using enemas and every other thing. Some of them are using small amounts once a week or twice a week, and it still has effects. So I would suggest that every listener learn about chlorine dioxide and get on at least a small dose of this once or twice a week and you may prevent a lot of problems. I mean, it pretty much kills glyphosate. If you've covered that, I mean that's a disaster. But so, anyway, that's all I have to say.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, a couple of other, just practical nuggets, I'll mention. There are some knockoff products, like you mentioned, and we'll have links for you where if you want to get what Robert's research has turned up as the real deal, then we'll have that for you. And then I guess I will start to wrap up here a little bit, so as we've obviously barely scratched the surface of all three of these topics. Then we'll have places where they can go learn more. But give us any update on your health you want to give us that or your, your wife I know you mentioned recently how much better she's doing. So anything else you want to mention, I'll just kind of tie a bow around your particular health journey to this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she Bo around your particular health journey to this point. Yeah, she's fine. She got her root canals out and she is the old girl, she's very energetic and she feels great and I'm stable. I can't realize. I mean, I've tried. I mean I've been using phosphatidylcholine, which is lethacin, intravenously once a week for months and that was supposed to be a miracle and I didn't notice anything. Now the doctor who put me on that told me not to use DMSO or chlorine dioxide and I had a hard time not doing that because those are the two most promising therapies, period. So she thought that I might not have as good a response, but I just couldn't leave them off the table. So it might be my fault, it might be her fault, but I haven't noticed anything from the phosphatidylcholine. And for me, getting off caffeine and alcohol seemed to help too. The caffeine the caffeine was giving me symptoms that were probably that I was attributing to parkinson's, you know. So I think it made me worse yeah, that could.
Speaker 1:That would make sense if you get the jitters from too much caffeine, for sure yeah, I, I tried.
Speaker 2:I also had suggested to me that I use the carnivore diet and I did that for three months, but I couldn't tolerate the constipation. I mean, I tried all kinds of things and you know Parkinson's patients are constipated, so I won't tell you what happened exactly, but That'll be for the off the record conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay cool.
Speaker 1:Well, any final words of encouragement for the listener and then tell people where they can find and follow your work.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the encouraging thing is is that these are the greatest medical treatments in history and they're at our fingertips. And if you know, what I want to see is, I want to see a stake nailed through the heart of Rockefeller medicine, because it is a vampire.
Speaker 2:And it's sucking our blood. It's sucking, you know. We spend twice as much per capita as any developed country and we have horrible outcomes. We have early mortality, we've got the worst record on the COVID nonsense than any country in the world, and I mean it just. The story goes on and on and on. So I think these two are the biggest, most important things, but I don't want to completely minimize diet or taking some iodine or, you know, avoiding EMF exposures or any of the other stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's fun when you major in major things. When you do, you find, in these cases, very inexpensive, legitimate purifying agents and you have a lifestyle that can support it. You're not poisoning yourself with toxic thinking and and other you know self-image issues that are weighing your physiology down. The body is remarkable at what it can heal and you have so many posts with so many pictures of just look at what can happen. If it's inspiring, just to see, my goodness, those kinds of things really can get better, with just simple, legitimate answers and people patiently willing to do what doctors are supposed to do and practice medicine and try not to harm anybody. So, yeah, I'm right there with you on let's let's reinvent a better model for healthcare and and what it could have been all along.
Speaker 2:Got to burn the whole thing to the ground, yeah, so my platform is robertyohosubstackcom and it's surviving healthcare, so you can search for either one. Surviving healthcare Substack. You can search for that.
Speaker 1:Right on and, yeah, he is very prolific the amount of writing he does. I'm jealous of how much time you get to research and find things, but it's, it's awesome what you do. So, robert, you are a gift to humanity. You could have just ridden off your end. You could have you sit here and do this, all this research, and you don't have to do this. You could have ridden off into the sunset. Yeah, you just had to. Rest of us. Yeah, it's a compulsion, and your work is bridging the gap between researchers and lay people or people like me, who I can pick up with it and make my own version of trying to help and amplify it. So, on behalf of all of us who have benefited from your work and your readers. They don't get a chance to say thank you, but I want to, so I'm honored to call you a friend.
Speaker 2:Don't cut yourself short. You're as sophisticated as I am.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe your depth of research is amazing. So, thank you, and yeah, I love having you on the show, I love calling you friend and it's been an honor having you back on the show today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for buttering me up. Christian, You're welcome. I'll talk to you soon. Talk to you soon, bye.
