Deconstructing Conventional
Welcome to Deconstructing Conventional, a show fascinated by one simple question: How did we get here? How did what we call “conventional” come to earn that title? Is there a better way, and if so, what would it look like? This show is about deconstructing two things: Our individual biases, and the systems that run (or attempt to run) our everyday lives.
We do this deconstruction with an eye for where we can reconstruct something better that leads to flourishing societies, and robust physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. In short, this show is about questioning our assumptions and practicing systems-level thinking.
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Deconstructing Conventional
Kim Rogers: The Worm Queen - Unveiling the Hidden World of Parasites and Embracing Holistic Healing
Have you ever wondered what parasites might lurk within you, unbeknownst to even your doctor? My latest episode welcomes the enigmatic Kim Rogers, affectionately dubbed the Worm Queen, to share her riveting transformation from a respected medical professional battling severe health issues to a passionate advocate for parasite awareness. Ignored by traditional medicine, Kim's discoveries about undiagnosed parasites catalyzed her recovery and the creation of innovative products that have helped many others. Her insights and personal anecdotes reveal the often-overlooked symptoms of parasite infections—brain fog, gastrointestinal chaos, and skin afflictions—and underscore the critical importance of addressing these root causes head-on.
Join us as we dive into the nuances of parasitic infections and the shortcomings of current medical testing systems. Our discussion challenges the conventional wisdom of treating symptoms and emphasizes the potential benefits of holistic approaches, like the Parafy kit, that incorporate natural remedies into daily health practices.
As the episode unfolds, we explore the intriguing connections between parasites and broader health challenges, from tumors to water quality concerns. We address the cultural gaps in parasite awareness and celebrate the power of community support in navigating health journeys. Through personal stories of transformation and empowerment, this conversation invites listeners to take charge of their health, encouraging a shift from conventional paths to more natural, insightful, and effective solutions. Tune in to be inspired and informed by Kim's remarkable journey and the wealth of knowledge shared throughout this enlightening episode.
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Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 44. My guest today is the lovely Kim Rogers, who is also known as the Worm Queen, and, as you might imagine, today's conversation is all about parasites. Now, as gross as this topic seems, I don't think I've ever had more fun or more laughs during an interview. Kim is just a delight to spend time with and she has such a unique story. I guess you could say she is a classic example of waking up to the limitations of the medical system and how someone's pain can become their mission. And what's fascinating about Kim is that she was a big deal in the medical community and when her health challenges began she had access to what she perceived to be the best care available. And yet fast forward years later and she was basically abandoned by her profession and the insurance companies. And I won't spoil her story here, but suffice it to say that the health challenges she was wrestling with were so serious that she was getting her affairs in order because she was expecting to die. And, as you might imagine, she's in a very different place now and her health problems were not incurable. What she had was an undiagnosed parasite problem that was completely overlooked and dismissed by the medical community and if there's a silver lining here, it's her background as a researcher. That was part of what ended up saving her life and, based on the tens of thousands of customers she has, I think we can say she has ended up saving countless other lives as well.
Speaker 1:In this episode I tell a couple of stories about my experiences with parasite cleanses, including a foot-long tapeworm I passed about 10 years ago while I was on a cruise. But since then the topic of parasites has been something I've looked into repeatedly, and it's in the realm of root causal factors that often explain why someone is sick and, like Kim's experience, it is something most doctors don't even consider today. So, in case you don't know, some common symptoms of a parasite infection are things like brain fog or difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep. Teeth grinding is another one. Kim was quick to point that one out. Other symptoms include anything GI, as you might expect, so constipation, diarrhea, excess gas, any sort of different disease of the gut, rectal itching not surprisingly, but being hungry or unsatisfied after a meal, a history of allergies or infections, skin issues like rashes or hives or eczema, heightened anxiety or out of character behaviors are also symptoms of a parasite infection and, as you'll hear in this episode, tumors. So wait until you hear that story.
Speaker 1:So, after spending time with Kim and her content, not only am I now convinced that the problem of parasites is much bigger than I had imagined, I also understand the common problem of false positive or sorry, false negative lab tests, and I can look back on parasite cleanses I've done and I can now see why they were not effective. So if you've listened to my other podcasts, you might notice that this is the fourth episode where I've brought up this topic. This is the only one dedicated specifically to that. But in other words, I've been searching for years for a parasite cleanse. I could enthusiastically get behind and checked all these six boxes I had, so the first box would be effective, second is gentle, the third is non-pharmaceutical, fourth is methodical, five is easily adaptable and six is not onerously complicated. This is the first time I've found something that checked all six of those boxes, and that is why we now feature Kim's products in our detox courses and why my family and I use them personally. In fact, they're so effective that I passed pinworms in the first 10 hours of the first day using it.
Speaker 1:So anyway, another fun fact about Kim both her and her company and their social presence. Since they've become quite large, not surprisingly, I suppose, censorship has become an issue for them. So one of the platforms she can't even mention the word parasites without her posts being taken down, which I can only assume is because she's pointing out a problem that the powers that be don't want out in the open and we can't can't have people addressing root causes, because that would remove the need for expensive ongoing treatment. So, on top of the censorship and this is the third guest this has happened to Kim's website and traffic were hijacked and people were running ads to her products, but sending them different products. So if you wanted some more evidence that she's doing significantly needed work, there you have it.
Speaker 1:So one last thing I want to say to prepare you for this episode is that we are never going to live in a world free from microbes and worms, but we don't need to be paranoid or germaphobic people either. So there are simple strategies for cleansing and rebalancing our internal environment. Yes, parasites are a problem. Yes, there is nuance to doing an effective parasite cleanse and, yes, an uncomfortable cleansing response can happen. But the problem of parasites is fixable, and one thing I can tell you from experience is it's much more fun to do a parasite cleanse when you have some supervision and the support of other people doing it with you, and that is what our detox programs are all about. You can find out more about them at our website, healingunitedtoday. So if you've never done a parasite cleanse, or if you have and you didn't find it to be effective, I think you'll really appreciate this conversation. I'll have some links in the show notes where you can find out more and even get discounts on Kim's products. So get ready for some eye-popping stories, some history you were never told, and breathe in another episode to affirm that your body is capable of healing your health problems might be simply a parasite problem. Okay, without further ado, enjoy my conversation with the scrappy, generous and humble Kim Rogers.
Speaker 1:All right, hello everyone, welcome to today's show.
Speaker 1:My guest is Kim Rogers, so let me tell you a little bit about her.
Speaker 1:She is an 18-year veteran of the medical community. She worked in endocrinology and neurology, also in ER and urgent care, and during her time in the medical world she was a teacher at 25 different healthcare colleges. Now she is the face and I'd say, tour de force behind the company Rogers Hood Apothecary, which is a company that educates people about the overlooked problem of parasites and a company that produces effective and affordable products for cleansing the body of parasites and other microbes. And her company has two FDA-approved facilities in two different states and they have over 13,000 square feet where they produce their detox kits to help people rebalance their bodies and build lasting health. They have sold over 120,000 detox kits and 40% of their daily sales are from repeat customers, so she must obviously be doing something right. So, kim, I cannot wait for people to hear the story of how you came out of the medical world into running your own business. So welcome to the show. Thank you for taking the time to chat with me today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1:Right on. Okay. So the first time we talked I wish I had hit record, because you have so many amazing stories to tell. So today I'm not making that mistake, so, so today.
Speaker 2:I'm not making that mistake. So tell the listener how in the world did you go from a successful career in the medical world, to realizing every little girl's dream of becoming known as the worm queen.
Speaker 1:I mean, at least I'm not the worm lady. I got a crown out of the deal, right Something. So what's the story?
Speaker 2:How did this all say I know some of it. Give us the story. Well, I worked in Western medicine since 2004 and I did all the things I thought was right for my body. I had stage four demetriosis, I had a hysterectomy and 13 surgeries and I was really kind of just going through it with my own health and my husband and I, in about 2019, decided that it just wasn't enough and I wasn't doing very well and I was starting to circle the drain, and so we got our affairs in order and we happened to have a recreational piece of property out in Hoodsport and we decided to build a log home ourselves like crazy people just the two of us a log home ourselves like crazy people, just the two of us.
Speaker 2:A big change, but at least, if something happened to me, my husband wouldn't be left with a mortgage and a lot of debt, cause, as we all know, being chronically ill is very expensive, and so I had racked up some bills and I just really wanted him to be okay because I really was not doing well. So we started to just look at alternative type of measurements for myself. I looked at mushrooms, which I did a lot of mushrooms. I still take mushrooms to this day and then I started kind of digging in deeper once. The mushrooms kind of helped me get a little bit better, more normalized. It just wasn't enough and I'm like what is really wrong with me? I can't lose weight, my skin looks terrible. I was so bloated, I wasn't going poop, which is really a huge, scary issue when you're not going to the bathroom and it had been like 30 days, and so I reached out to my doctors and they were just like there's really nothing left for us to do. Have you tried psyllium husk? And I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:Right, what comprehensive advice Keep going.
Speaker 2:I'm like all righty psyllium husk okay. So I kind of started to look at other options and I came across a TikTok where a girl had said that she almost unalived herself over worms. And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. Like a few years before I thought I had parasites. Whenever I looked at my surgeries it looks kind of crazy inside my abdomen area.
Speaker 1:Wait back up for that. Hang on. You had the ability to look at and watch your own surgeries, which is a whole different animal than most people, so tell people that story, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pictures, videos. Like I was friends with most of my doctors because I usually put employees that were my students in their facilities so that when I would go in for treatment I had really good help, I was cared for. But I always looked at things and thought, gosh, this just doesn't add up to me, like my, this isn't adding up for me, and so I started to look into other options. Now, like I said, about five years before, I thought I had pinworms, almost to a point where they were going to do a biopsy in an area, because I had a weird white spot that looked like you know, and so they wanted to biopsy it. And I said, well, gosh, you know, I do get kind of itchy and I've seen some other white things. And she's like, yeah, we live in the United States, we don't have worms, kim. And I was like, well, I mean, what's the chances? It could be that let's give it a few days, I'll come back, I'll get the biopsy.
Speaker 1:I came back, nothing was there, and so I had research, because I'm like 46 years old and everything we do now we screenshot it and we've been doing that for decades, right, and so I looked back and I had screenshotted colonics for worms, like really so subconsciously I think I knew, wow, and you saw, if I'm not mistaken, if the last time we talked you saw something moving around on one of the videos of your surgery that caught your attention is that?
Speaker 2:right've. I saw some things in my abdomen area that had moved and I asked him about it and they were like, oh, I mean, that's just scar tissue. And I'm like, okay, it looked weird to me but okay, whatever. So I just kind of started putting two and two together and sat down and I'm really fortunate because I do have two healthcare degrees and I was valedictorian. So I like to dig, I like to look, I like to research. It's kind of my jam. And so I just started to kind of research more and I did a parasite cleanse that was viral at the time. I actually made it go more viral because 10.5 million people viewed one of my videos a million the first two hours. It shut my phone off because there was so much activity going on. My phone couldn't keep up, so it completely shut my phone down.
Speaker 2:In July of 2021, after I had done my parasite cleanse, I saw liver flukes, pinworms and roundworm in the toilet and after three days I knew what was wrong with me. Like, in that moment, I have goosebumps. In that moment I was like, are you kidding me? Like wait, this is it. Like really, there's all of these problems that I was having and this is it Wow. So I mean and this is it Wow. So I mean, this light bulb went off. My husband and I were literally having our whole family show up the day. I went viral over worms to help start the build and I just looked at my husband. I was like, you know, like I'm gonna have to keep on this right, like I'm gonna have to bail now because I'm really lucky this is something that I can talk about too. Like I went viral over medical and I love medical, I love the human body and I love teaching. So I'm like I mean I'm going to do this, babe and I just kept making. I've just been making videos every day since.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for how long You've been making videos? For how many years now?
Speaker 2:Since 2021, july of 21. Well, I had a TikTok account since 2019, and it was to teach people about mushrooms and building a log home and just building homesteading. I was in the homestead TikTok and so I had a little following, like 10,000 followers. I have like 570,000 on TikTok now and like 280 on Insta, so we have almost a well, we have over a million across all of our platforms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you've been doing it every single day. That's the remarkable part.
Speaker 2:Every day, because this needs to be talked about, Like and it's not just about parasites. This is about finding the root cause before you go and do life altering surgeries like I did. I mean, I had a hysterectomy when I was 29. Like you can't, I have no kids. You can't come back from that, you know. So if you can do something that can help your body and and just give you a little bit of a fighting chance, our bodies are so overloaded with toxins that it's not something that's talked about, and I truly believe that we don't have an autoimmune disease problem.
Speaker 2:We have an environmental toxin issue that's causing these autoimmune diseases, and the amount that we all have is just out of control at this point, when really I was exposed to mold and living in mold while building. So it's like, all of these things that I'm clearing out and all of these modalities I'm doing and I'm showing people as I'm doing them are helpful to kind of get your body and your life back. I mean, ultimately, that's what this is about.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, and two other things you mentioned that first time we talked was some of the other factors of your health journey. So you had been on Klonopin for a long time, like 22 years. I think it was yeah For people who don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:tell them what that is and what it does which I just wasn't really dealing with because my health issues were so bad and a lot of my PTSD was because of my health issues. I had somewhat of a botched hysterectomy, so it was really a lot of issues medical neglect so it was like I would take something to push down that trauma and the feelings that I was having because my health was so poor and I had. My family. Life is really great now, but I didn't really get along.
Speaker 2:I'm the black sheep, so there was a lot of trauma there and you know, instead of me going and hitting it head on, I was like I'm just going to take this pill to help my nervous system and I'll get back to it Right. And after so many decades of being on it and then trying to get myself off of it, it really was quite traumatic. When I was getting off of it, I had a mini stroke. I couldn't remember how to like hold forks and shower and walk and yeah, so I also was living in mold at the time. So it was like this ball of health issues were just declining for us, you know.
Speaker 1:So Wow, well, and I last see the first time we talked about what it's like coming out of the medical system, because you were so involved in that and then to recognize they not only have no tools to help me, but they're also dismissing what ended up being the problem. So talk about that kind of awakening or reckoning, or how would you describe the coming out of that and realizing you had to choose a different path.
Speaker 2:It was tough because it's all I've known for 20 years Now. I've always been very herb oriented. I've always thought that you know natural medicine I mean as natural as you can get when you're you know smoking and stuff right Like it helped me calm my nervous system. You know, I feel like it was kind of a grieving moment for me too, because it's all I've ever known and I felt really let down, especially when I figured out that I had Cryptosporidium parvium, which is a parasite from the water at my log home and it was in it's. The water up there is contaminated. We had it tested. Also, seattle's water is contaminated. We've had it tested. So that really is kind of a letdown too.
Speaker 2:And the fact that, like, when I reached out to my colleagues in Western medicine multiple colleagues in multiple States, cause I've lived in multiple States in my life they all just dismissed me and I'm like, wait a minute, like this is really something that can easily be fixed and I dedicated 20 years of my life teaching people. Did I teach them wrong too? So there was this grieving part for me when I had this medical awakening, because it really is a medical awakening, it's not just my body's awakened, it's I had to go through the process of understanding that everything I thought I knew, even my husband, everything he thought he knew about engineering and water. When he realized that they don't test for nematodes, he was shooketh. So it was like two shooketh people just got together and we're like, oh my gosh, what is happening here? Like how is this possible?
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, but at the same time you're getting off the medication that kept you from being able to regulate your own emotion and feel things, and so you worked your way off that. And if I remember correctly from last time we talked, the kind of the linchpin or the last straw for you was when not only had the people dismissed it, but the insurance companies just basically refused to help you. So tell people that story.
Speaker 2:So we were on COBRA because my husband left his job and became my caretaker because I was that sick and I couldn't do anything for myself. So we got on Cobra and once Cobra was over, we got put on state Medicare no Medicaid, and my doctors refused to even talk with me. Apparently, it's illegal for them to talk with their patient once they're on state aid If they don't take the state aid. Well, I'm getting off of Klonopin Like I was three months in and they just bailed on me and I'm sitting there emailing them.
Speaker 2:I'm like I understand the laws, but like I'm a human being here and I'm really struggling knowing exactly what dose I should go on next, because you know we're well now. We know we're living in mold, being pelted with parasites, with parasites, and so we weren't really capable of thinking for ourselves in those moments and we were doing our best. That's how I found out about Amanita, which is why you know everything I have is Amanita, which is the red mushroom, is because I learned how to break Amanita down to make benzodiazepine all natural, which is what the DNA structure of Amanita is is benzodiazepine. So I found a natural way of supplementing the Klonopin with Amanita, but like that was only after they they just like bailed on me and they were like you're on your own. I'm like wait a minute, how am I on my own here?
Speaker 2:I get it Like you're not going to get paid. I want I'm like we had money set aside going to get paid. I want I'm like we had money set aside specifically to pay cash and they were like can't because you're on state aid, our hands are tied. I'm like how are your hands tied? I'm a human being begging you for help right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's just. My listeners are not unfamiliar with the shortcomings, I guess you could say, of the medical system and how it's not hard to argue at times. It's really not looking out for you, it's only looking out for making you a customer for life, and on and on, and that's rough. So thank you for sharing that story.
Speaker 1:We've got more to come, but one of the things I love to do on this show is just define terms. So people are, we're tracking with us as we go through whatever we talk about. So you distinguish between parasites and worms. So define the two and tell us what the difference is.
Speaker 2:Well, parasites are anything that feeds off a host.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So it could be scabies, lice, crypto, which is a microscopic parasite, which is what I have, which is parvo, which kills puppies, woo and then defragilis, which is what my husband had, and giardia. A lot of people are familiar with the word giardia and it's because of boiling your water and making sure that if any pipes break that you know they say boil your water and it's specifically because they don't want you to catch giardia. But really that's a parasite. A worm is physical, like like roundworm, tapeworm, flatworm, whipworm, hookworm. Those are pretty normal Pinworms. Those are physical nematodes. But they're all in the parasite family because they all live off of a host.
Speaker 1:Okay, great. And so there's some that are just microscopic right, you need a microscope to see them. There's others that are multiple feet long. So how many? What? There's like 14 or so different classifications of parasites.
Speaker 2:Thousands.
Speaker 1:Okay, so underestimated by a factor of many.
Speaker 2:Okay, there's like thousands that can live in our body and they all have different names and they haven't really been able to do because this just isn't something that's researched.
Speaker 1:Right man. Okay, so when most people think of parasites, they think of things that just live in the colon, but, as you know, there's, they're all throughout the body.
Speaker 2:So anything you want to say about that, yeah, they're in our cells, they're in our blood, they're in our tissue, they're in our muscle and that's why it's so easy to catch them, because we eat animals and animals have them. You know a lot. They are on the ground walking, and so it's not, it's not abnormal. I mean this is very normal for us as humans and other countries recognize it. Western medicine countries just don't. So Mexico requires their people to do like two times a year. Some schools you can't get in unless you parasite cleanse with their synthetic medications that you can get at the pharmacy for like seven bucks. Jamaica does a tea called the Bush monthly. So this is a normal standard practice in other countries, just not in Western medicine countries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I remember I had a naturopath that worked at one of our facilities and I told her about a parasite story I had and she she's from Nigeria and she I told her about it and she just laughed. She said you Americans are so funny, you guys think you don't have parasites. She's like all of you do, like it's just normal to have this. So it's normal, it's normal.
Speaker 2:You go outside and you ground and if you ground which I fully believe in grounding, but you should ground in a specific area that you've cleaned that dirt and make sure that no other animals have defecated there, because they hold roundworm and hookworm, and it's normal. This is normal. Fish all have parasites. From what I understand, because I live here in Seattle and I go down to the pipe market and I've talked with them and they're like looking at me like I'm nuts, because I'm also what fish, would you say, have and they're like all fish, you know all of them and closer to the belly of the cut has more parasites. So this is normal.
Speaker 2:It's just not normal for us because we've been indoctrinated to think that the first world country that we live in could never have this. But in fact I live in a first world country and I got the worst of it from my water, showering in my water, brushing my teeth with my water. I wear a retainer, so I was soaking my retainer in the water. I was washing my produce in the water, but I wasn't drinking the parasite water. I was drinking my normal reverse osmosis but just the little exposure that we had was making me even more and more ill, and you're already ill going into the scenario, and now I'm getting sicker and sicker because I'm being pelted with it by my shower.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So two more terms I want to define here are mucoid plaque and biofilm. So for people who don't know what those are, tell them what those are.
Speaker 2:Okay so and I'm going to tell you what we have as a product. That the reason why I know about all of this. So we have a product called Gutty and it's a three day colon cleanse slash mucoid plaque. And mucoid plaque is basically like you know how you get plaque in your arteries and your heart, you get that in your colon as well, because it's also like an artery, it's a smooth muscle and it collects yucky. It collects grease and grime and then they love living in that. So they're all kind of hanging out inside of this grease grime pit that you have going on in your colon.
Speaker 2:So if you can go in with things like chia seeds and psyllium husk and then a negatively charged herb like charcoal and clay, which is what we use in gutty, it'll actually pull and then kind of go in like a, like a brush and clean it out. And pull it out and it's all black and yucky and gross. But I mean you feel better and especially if you're not going to the bathroom, it really kind of goes in and helps clean it out like a pressure washer. And then the other thing was what?
Speaker 1:I got biofilm.
Speaker 2:Oh, biofilm. Okay, so biofilm is what they live in and they can, they can get like, basically it's a, it's a one way film so they can burrow into your muscle and your tissue and also, um, surround themselves with biofilm so that it's hard for them to be exposed and killed and pulled out. And so we use a herb called longwort lichen. It's foraged, it's in metal flush which is in the purify kit, and it goes in and it breaks the biofilm like a glass, like shattering it, and then they're exposed. And then the herbs can go in and like clean them out and like make them so that they're exposed. And then the herbs can go in and like clean them out and like make them so that they're they're stealthy, like they can be hit because of biofilm with something like lime. Lime burrows in like a spare key into your muscle and then the biofilm covers it like a bandaid so that it's hard.
Speaker 2:But the the crazy thing about biofilm is things can go through it one way only, which is your nutrients?
Speaker 2:feeding it, but it can't come like out. So you have to learn, you have to break it. And that's what probably the biggest game changer for me when I was doing these cleanses especially because I was doing them all on camera and people were sending me stuff because, let me tell you, it is expensive to parasite cleanse and I didn't have the funds to do that when I was first on this journey and people were sending me stuff because, let me tell you, it is expensive to parasite cleanse and I didn't have the funds to do that when I was first on this journey. It was like $250 with all of the things that I put into this kit. That's about what it would cost for someone to really cleanse a pretty decent cleanse, excluding cell core. Cell core is even more than that, even more than that. And so I didn't realize how important it was to have something that broke the biofilm, because you're getting them but you're not getting them really good. You're not like exposing them. They're stealthy, like I said, and they're they're. They don't want to go away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they do not appreciate the eviction notice.
Speaker 2:No, no, their living rent free.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, rent free. Yeah, well it's. It's what I like about what hearing you describe. That is, that somebody took someone like you with a research brain to say there's a system, there's a, there's an order at which we go after this. You can't just throw a bunch of herbs at it that in a petri dish maybe the parasite doesn't like or is poisoned by such and such herb, but there's a whole ecosystem behind that and it takes a systematic level of working to wipe that out so that your body can rebalance it and get those guys to the exit. So wonderful, and thank you for suffering for the rest of us so that somebody can figure this out.
Speaker 2:I mean, I really am grateful that I've had the opportunity to really like utilize everything that I was doing and learning, and it wasn't just. This is one of my favorite things about my kit. I'm going to talk about it real quick. Okay, so Parify isn't just you could use those herbs, but what I figured out is that herbs have a frequency and your ailments have a frequency as well, and so if you can find what the frequency is of the ailment, you can partner it with an herb. So the examples I always give is when you're at an opera and the opera singer gets her voice to the same level to break glass is because her voice became the same frequency as the glass, so that vibration broke the glass. When you figure out what herb is the same frequency as that ailment, you can shatter it, and that's why I have so many different types of herbs that you may never have heard of inside of the Parify kit, like Usnea.
Speaker 2:Usnea helps with bad bacteria. It's Mother Nature's doxycycline, so people that have Lyme do really well on my kit specifically because of that tincture sustain. I take it every day. It's literally right here behind me. I take it when I'm not feeling well and it's because it's going in and it's helping the frequency that's being disrupted in my body to level it out. And then the Lyme doesn't like that, so it like okay, I'm leaving. You've made your body inhospitable and I don't want to be a part of it anymore, so it leaves. And so when you find out what ailment you have, it's okay, because then you can match it with an herb.
Speaker 1:Well, that's such a different paradigm. I don't hear anybody in the medical world talking about frequency, or very few people. They have difficulty thinking outside the periodic table and it's just the elements and biochemical whack-a-mole or moves and counter moves, but they don't to think in terms of frequency and chemistry, or light and heat and motion and the other aspects of physics. It's. I just love the way your brain works. You didn't come at it from a. It has to be a chemical solution to this. How do I poison it? It was wait a minute. There's all of life has resonance to it. What, what does that have to teach me? Or what might I learn about that? So well done, investigator.
Speaker 2:Thanks. I love frequencies. When I had my mini stroke, it's really what got me through, rewiring my subconscious and rewiring my brain so that I consciously could make different efforts than just putting a bandaid on it with a pill, cause what I was doing wasn't working, what they were telling me to do wasn't working. My blood work was normal, but I'm suffering, you know, and it's like something is amiss here. So what am I missing? Cause this is it right. This is your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you only get one.
Speaker 2:All you get yeah.
Speaker 1:Right Well, and I can't tell you how many times I've heard that my blood work came back normal and the person doesn't feel normal in any way. There's so many things wrong and I've just started teaching them like, if your blood work's normal, that's great. That's just the tip of the iceberg. If the up in your blood, it was a problem a long time ago and the medical system doesn't look for you know what? They can't test the interstitial fluid and they're not testing what's going on inside the cell and that's where you, if you have dirty water or the inside of your cells are dirty. That's where your problem is and you won't find that on a blood test.
Speaker 1:So can we go after the toxicity problem, in your case, the parasitic problem that's creating all this dirty water? So well done, okay. Well, let me ask you this, because most of the medical world, or healthcare world for that matter, just doesn't really pay any attention to parasites, as we've talked about. So, for the listener, give them some symptoms that they might be experiencing that could be indicative of a parasite infection that they might not have thought to correlate to that grinding the teeth is always my go-to okay, that one is the one that I've highlighted is like what is it about grinding teeth?
Speaker 1:because they're like, okay, an itchy anus or other things, but why grinding teeth in particular?
Speaker 2:because it's your nervous system and it's your body, like the biggest indication that something's going on. We all have some form of a tmj at some point, but really it's not. It's you're grinding your teeth because your lymphatic system is so gunked up and your nervous system is telling you something's wrong. And so at nighttime, because they're they're nocturnal creatures, so your your insomnia all night long, eating after 7 PM and staying up all night, and then when you do sleep, you're grinding your teeth. It's because it it's your nervous system is just shot because it's constantly in fight or flight. When you have something in your body that is not regulating you at a homeostasis level, it's going into like the shock. It doesn't know what else to do, and so that's a huge indication that you have parasites. That's funny.
Speaker 1:That's the first thing you go to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it always is, because I actually had braces. I mean, I had really great teeth before I got braces, but I had TJ and I didn't want my jaw broken and I had TJ would be aligned and my teeth look nice if I still grinded my teeth at night, whatever, but at least I had great teeth. I got something out of the deal. But I don't grind my teeth anymore. I did correct it.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:But it's like just the thought of okay, well, we can do a few things, but like what's the root cause? What's the root of the problem. That's really what I keep going back to in life.
Speaker 1:Wow. Okay, what are some other symptoms people might have that they might not think could be related or a sign of a parasite infection?
Speaker 2:Well, ibs. So gut issues is a big one. Anemia is a huge one because of hookworm, because it absorbs iron, so a lot of people that have anemia should go get tested or at least do a parasite cleanse and if you start to feel better and your iron increases, you know what your root cause was in that issue. I would also say skin issues. A lot of things like psoriasis and eczema can be candida, and candida is also a parasite because it lives off the host and controls your mind, making you want more and more sugar. Mental health issues. So a lot of people that have mental health issues can have parasites. Toxoplasmosis, which is the cat parasite, which is also a parasite that I talk a lot about because it's a mind controlling parasite. A lot of anxiety is a really big factor because your body's never getting out of fight or flight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that list you just came up with and we can add other things to it, but essentially there's so many symptoms that you could just spend a lifetime trying to play whack-a-mole with and never get to why you have that and just be endlessly chasing your tail. So give me. You had a couple of examples I think one of your posts or somewhere on your site about just how the medical world or maybe it's our conversation where you said they're not actually going after any symptoms, they're just creating labels, not going after root causes. And two you mentioned were limes and pandas. So tell people what pandas is or say anything you want about lime.
Speaker 2:Well, I have both. I have pandas and I have lime Pandas actually is somewhat of my root cause, and then these are all co-infections. So I had strep in my brain and I think it was like three weeks ago that I realized a lot of things by sitting down. Now we'll go back to your question. But if I had not gotten rid of the parasites and realized I had been living in mold, I would never have gotten to my all of the co-infections and all of the root causes, been able to at least get myself to a normal, stable life again yeah that's ultimately what this is all about, right being my own patient advocate, finding out what's wrong with me and then sharing it with the world.
Speaker 1:So yeah, well, that's kind of what you had to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally. I mean, at what point do you just want to give up? I did not want to give up. I'm 46 years old, I have a really long life ahead of me and I was going into a chapter of my life where I was building my own log home that I designed myself, and it was like I didn't want to miss that. So I was willing to fight for whatever it took to continue down that dream, which we're done, and our house is beautiful and I'm really thankful and we did it ourselves. And you know, I mean you look around, I live in an apartment because we had to finish that home, but when you look around, you're like I liked it, every single thing in this house. I picked everything out, I put every nail in with my husband most of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I wanted people to hear that because there's it's so easy to just feel like you've been wrung out by the medical world or the alternative world and they have nothing to offer you, and it can leave people with the feeling of something wrong with me and I'm the problem. And and you had another gear of of learning how to research the, preempting this problem or preempting the it coming to a head that spared you going down that hopeless route, and there's a grit that you had. So I guess, as much as anything, I want the listener to muster some of that as well and maybe take a look at something that's been dismissed or overlooked for a long time.
Speaker 2:Because it's easy to dismiss right, especially because I think we've believed so heavily in Western medicine and the indoctrination that has done with not just the doctors, but it's a practice. That's why it's called medical practicing, and I think the part that everyone is somewhat frustrated with, including myself, is that they're just not willing to dig a little deeper and I think that a lot of doctors that go dig deeper get kicked out and their colleagues are really awful, and that's what happened to me, my colleagues. I don't speak with them anymore, so it's like well, that's fine.
Speaker 2:I have a way better community where I'm getting more information to help my body to turn around and help others, and I feel like that that's the biggest thing for me is one I never want anyone to do this alone. I never want anyone to feel or be alone because you're not. I felt isolated and alone. I'm out in the woods literally alone trying to figure this out, and I didn't have the people that I'd been with for 20 years helping me, and so it was like I vowed that if I ever got a platform which I have now that I would make sure that people had one options to just try a cleanse. Try these herbs. We're third party tested, we're all natural. We're ethically sourced. We make it affordable. Yeah, like who has money to go and do cleanse after cleanse after cleanse? Even when I was tested positive and I showed the positive labs that we had the insurance company, it was crazy expensive for an anti-parasitic pill. It was like $999 for six pills. Yeah, who makes that kind of money? To just fork over for three days? Oh my gosh. I could have gone to Mexico on a vacation and just gone to their pharmacy for like seven months, which is what we ended up doing the next year.
Speaker 2:We have like a year supply of anti-parasitics at our house because we moved here and this is how I know that you can get even sicker when you're pelted with bad water. So we moved to seattle, um, in december of last year. So we've been here a year. We didn't have filters on our water and I started feeling like I was going into remission. We had filters on our sink but we didn't have filters on our shower because we hadn't gotten them in yet. And I took three showers here and then we went out of town and I started feeling like I was going into remission. Well, I was, because I was felted with nematodes. Because we tested the water, we showered like we didn't have a choice.
Speaker 1:You know you got to, not, you can't skip bathing, right? Yeah, totally Okay. Well, you've mentioned some of them, but this is just for the listener. We kind of put them on one stretch here, the different places you can acquire parasites. So you talk about being outside barefoot and being on grass or whatever earth might have animals pooping on it. What about? A lot of HOAs have taken to using reclaimed water for the sprinklers. Is that? Are they just keeping this problem going? Basically, it's reclaimed sewer water they're using to spray on the lawns for the sprinklers. Is that? I'm assuming that's like a forehead face palm moment of? Seriously, that's what we're doing. Would you be concerned about that or want to have that tested?
Speaker 2:I mean, I honestly wouldn't be as concerned about that as them just using well water. Because, with reclaimed water. They're filtering it Just like on a cruise ship. They're taking the water from the ocean and they're filtering it just like on a cruise ship. They're taking the water from the ocean and they're filtering it, which means they're filtering it through a five micron or smaller filter which is removing everything. So it's almost like it's better for them. I'm not. I'm not advertising this part at all in life. Trust me, you shouldn't be using reclaimed water.
Speaker 2:There is enough water out there that we shouldn't be using reclaimed water. There is enough water out there that we shouldn't be using it, but they probably are filtering it better than most of the water that I've had. I've tested with the lab that I work with as well, as I've traveled around the country and I have filters that are clear and I do a lot of videos showing what your water looks like because of the pipes and once they're just like our guts and just like our bodies, once they get into that pipe, you can never get them out. Man. It is like they, it's like mucoid plaque all up inside the pipes. You know they're living in there, they're doing their job, they're breaking down issues, they're breaking things down. That's what worms and parasites are meant for.
Speaker 2:However we're also meant to know this information.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So but I would say, like for us in Hoodsport they have a community. Well, that they think is just the best ever. And when we brought this to their attention, as well as the state of Washington, they came out and they tested it and it came back negative on their spectrum. But in my lab we've tested it many times still, even after they tested it, and it came back negative with them. We tested it again and it came back positive with them with my lab. So it's like, okay, explain that. Like, is it because mine got sent to Mexico and their specific parasitologist and yours is a zoologist who really is like, oh, I'm going to defend the water to my death, like I don't?
Speaker 2:know you know like what would happen if they came back and they were like listen, 5,000 of you have all been caught. And you can see, when you go into my town where my log home is, you can tell they have worms, like it's 100%. You walk up and you're like yo, you're old and you have worms, like I can see it.
Speaker 1:What is it that you observe in someone where you go? Oh worms, how do you visually find that?
Speaker 2:Well, I've diagnosed a few people. Not medical advice, but I have.
Speaker 2:I've been like have you ever been tested for like a worm? And when I was on a cruise and her name is Olympia we're really good friends now because she was like our bartender and I was sitting there and I looked at her and I was like, oh, just don't look, you're on vacation. And she and I was sitting there and I looked at her and I was like, oh, just don't look, you're on vacation. And she, she and I started talking and she goes, actually, and she handed me her labs and I said, oh, so you have a tapeworm? And she goes oh, my God, yes, how did you know?
Speaker 2:Circles under the eyes, hair loss, and you said, dog had a parasite, and you were cuddling with your dog and you guys now have the same like hair loss in the same area. I'm like pets. If you don't deworm your dogs and your cats and you don't deworm your pets, you have parasites like hands down, I will die on that cross. You have parasites. I got parasites from my dogs who had parasites and there was a few times we forgot to deworm them that month and, like you know, it happens. It happens they drink out of puddles which are full of parasites, because this is normal yeah, that's what animals do, so okay.
Speaker 1:well, I was going to tell you to break it gently to people if they have cats or dogs. So for those of you cat and dog lovers, yeah, sorry, not sorry, at least you know about this Gentle way of doing this Right, gentle, rip the bandaid off. Yeah, but at least you might have a new set of lenses to look for causal factors here.
Speaker 2:So yeah, like it's all fixable.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's kind of what is so great about one, my platform and why I push so hard is because there really is an answer at the end of the conversation, at the end of this spectrum that we're talking about, and that's kind of like the same with mold People have mold poisoning. I lived in a moldy trailer while building my dream home and running a Rogers hood business about parasites. I got off my parasite cleanse for about seven days and my eyes started to swell shut and I didn't know what was going on with me. It was really scary. I lost half my hair, um, my brain fog was intense and then I realized it was about four months in and I'm.
Speaker 2:All of this is documented. That's the crazy thing is, the videos will pop up from 2022. And I'll look at them like, oh yeah, there's my mold poisoning Cause. My eyes are so swollen shut. But I was kind of not realizing it because wormwood can suppress the spores in the system, because that's just what it does. It's not an anti-mold, it's a suppressant. So if you don't know, you're in mold and then you're doing like a parasite cleanse with wormwood and then you get off of it and your symptoms are just skin and hair and it goes wild. You're in mold.
Speaker 2:Like you're in active mold, and so that's kind of the fear with a lot of mold people is that when they do parasite cleanses, that they're suppressing the mold. But in fact it's a good thing you're doing that because you're ramping up your immune system while they're dropping the spores in your body, because that's what they do Parasites can hold six times their weight in spores and heavy metals and toxins, and that's why we use so many herbs when you're cleansing, because each herb has its own responsibility. And so then when you're done, you know, usually you do two to three parasite cleanses and then you can hop into a mold cleanse and our mold cleanse just helps boost your mitochondria while sweeping out the spores, and it's very gentle. It's the same system as our. Parify. Moldy is the same system as the parasite cleanse. I wanted to make it as easy as possible, especially because mold is very difficult. It's very painful, um, you have a lot of emotions that are tied to mold, so Wow.
Speaker 1:Well, and I had asked you earlier cause people were asking me if they could combine your two kits and I liked that. You had a sequence Like I didn't know until you told me that that the parasites themselves hold the spores and you've got to get rid of the source. So you got to get rid of the parasites first, then you can start going after the mold, so mold, so it's another level of thoughtfulness. It's just fun to have somebody who's solely focused on something like this at a root cause level that can do it. And, by the way, if you guys have not followed her on social, it is worth the listen. By the way, I blame you for the seared image I have in my head of like a grizzly bear shaking a giant tapeworm out of his butt.
Speaker 2:I did not need to see that, but thank you, they eat better salmon than us, so think about that. They eat. They eat more fresh, they eat better than we do. And look at what they have now. Um, I put Hawthorne in the Parify kit specifically because I saw so many tapeworms. I was shook. I was like kit specifically because I saw so many tapeworms. I was shook. I was like how is this possible? I guess three out of five people have tapeworms. Now, I don't have a tapeworm and I feel for anyone that does, because, man, it's a beast If you have a tapeworm.
Speaker 1:I had one. Well, 10 years ago yeah, about 10 years and one month ago I passed a parasite, a tapeworm, by foot long, on a cruise ship and my wife can verify the story because she got to see the physical evidence of it. It was like I to that point I had no idea, the thing was even in me. But she really got me interested in parasite cleansing after that point and I haven't until meeting you, I haven't. I've tried different ones and haven't found something. I was ready to put my face or my force behind because I just haven't felt they've done the job.
Speaker 1:And seeing what you've put together for so many years is like, oh, finally I can actually help people because sometimes it's brutal. The cleanses people go through, either onerous financially or the physical hurt symptoms or the unpleasant nature of die off. It's just it can wreck you, and bracing people for that or shepherding them through that without the being able to supervise it enough and without something I know is going to be like systematic at working through it. So I guess, if nothing else, I'm saying thank you for helping me solve this for so many people. But well done.
Speaker 2:I mean it is difficult it is it's?
Speaker 2:even as gentle and as many herbs and as many things as we put into the Parotify kit, it's still. You still have die-offs, you still have to do a few changes, but it's as gentle as you can possibly get and effective. That's the thing is it's so effective because of the thoughts of the herbs that I did and they speak to me like I'll just give a little background to when I first was going through this and I was getting off of my benzos, I did a lot of mushrooms like days and days and days where I would sit for six, eight hours and meditate, days where I would sit for six, eight hours and meditate, and I really learned how to do things with my mind and kind of talk to myself internally because obviously externally no one was helping me.
Speaker 2:So, I really had to dig deep and I feel like that plant medicine helped me to an extent where it got me familiar with the way the plants were around me, because a lot of the herbs that I put in the kit were herbs that are on my property, like usnea hangs from the trees, plantain, which will be in our lymph kit, that is on my ground, and lungwort is all over. Because they work, they all work together.
Speaker 2:And so I just kind of tapped into earth and mother nature and just really had her like sit with me and talk with me and guide me on what should be done.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, and I remember we did a program my wife and I built called the sovereignty project. We had a whole module on just health care at home and the idea that nature's pharmacy is constantly around us. And there's we got these big, thick books on how the Native Americans used plants and all the different plant medicines, medicines, and sure enough that the nature knows how to balance itself and we are the ones out of balance with it. And when you have a mind like yours to go to work and and figure out the simpler, oh gosh, this is so much easier way to do it.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's wonderful and your body knows how to process the, the plants. I don't know if you've ever heard this, but the DNA cells that we shluff off. Mother nature grows plants to help you. So my property has a ton of Oregon grapefruit, which we also use and sustain, and the property next door does not. Now, I don't know what that meaning is, other than you know maybe my property has more parasites than others, but plantain we have a lot of fungus me and my husband and we have a ton of plantain plant dandelion root. I don't have a lot of dandelion dandelions on my property, but the lady next door does, and she takes heart medicine. So it's like, wow, how much does earth really help us?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what a fun set of concepts to noodle over. I love it. Okay, well, so zoom out. So the official numbers. I guess if you look it up on what how widespread parasite problems are, give us those numbers and give us your estimate on how widespread this problem really is. What percentage of people would actually have a parasite problem?
Speaker 2:So they say that 85 to 90% of Western medicine country people have parasites and it's around 1.5 to 2 billion people. Now that's just documented. So when you passed a tapeworm, if you didn't go to the doctor and they didn't document it, then it didn't go into the statistics.
Speaker 2:So my statistic is not in that number because when I tested through my independent lab and then the same stool went to LabCorp, labcorp came back negative and Parasitesorg came back positive. So that means that my numbers are not inside of that statistic because those are only documented, and they're only documented that they agree should be documented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, okay. So if somebody isn't or has never done a parasite cleanse, or hasn't done one in recent years, you can pretty much just default to the assumption that you do have them and it's just a matter of what point it produces symptoms. Is that fair, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, fall to the assumption that you do have them and it's just a matter of what point that produces symptoms. Is that fair, right? Yeah, okay, so one of the most exposed sorry, we're all exposed, so that's the thing is that we're exposed every day to parasites, so the likelihood that you have them is very high, and if you don't think that you do, then spend more time with Kim and yeah, you'll be convinced, yeah, so okay.
Speaker 1:So the you tested a bunch of water and I think I believe you said it was 100% of the water you've been able to test everywhere 75% of the water that's been tested has come back positive in our country. And the tests you've done yourself have been. Have you found any that have not been tested positive?
Speaker 2:They've all tested positive. That I've tested.
Speaker 1:Oh man, okay. Well, so one of the most shocking things you said to me when we talked last was that you had a CIA document from 1950. I think it was declassified in 2011. Is that right? Okay, and so that.
Speaker 1:So she sends me this document, cause I wanted to see it, and it's it. The first two sentences smack me across the face and it sounded like your story. So it says endoparasites and malignant tumors resemble each other in many respects, so parasites and tumors look like each other. This suggested a long time ago in regard to the parasitic nature of tumors. And so this is a 1950. And they're saying a long time ago we knew that parasites and tumors look like each other. The only other date listed in that document or earlier date anyway, it was from 1938. So that's 86 years ago that they knew about this connection between tumors and parasites.
Speaker 1:So my, my thinking brain goes to why in the world would that be classified information, and why does the CIA need to keep this under wraps? And I can only come up with three theories, and none of them are good ones, so help me with it here. Like why would we need to have a classified document that points out something that every doctor should be aware of Right. Right, you're gonna let me see your eyes on it. You're not sure?
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, uh, rockefeller changed the way that we did medicine in 1924. Um, personally, I think we're kind of experimented on a lot more than we should be. Um, it's not rocket science how the body operates and there is a lot of things that we can do differently. And I, after I saw that, it helped guide me it wasn't really something that was a huge reason in 2021 that I did the videos that I've been doing. It wasn't really until a couple months after I went viral that I was like wait a minute. In 2016, when I was digging on the dark web which that's a whole nother story I found that and it just was.
Speaker 2:One of the few things that I'd actually kept on my phone as a screenshot was that document. And then I was laying in bed and I looked Someone had sent me. I was so mad at myself. They sent me an email and I can't find it where a book in World War II was found from the fifties. And I was like, all of a sudden this light bulb went off and I was like, oh my God, I have a document, let me go look. Literally, I was not feeling good that day. I got up and I started searching my flash drive, searching my laptop, searching my phone, and I found my document, the only document that I could find from 2016. When I found that, Wow, yeah, so there's.
Speaker 1:I mean her mention of Rockefeller medicine. You guys, if you've listened to episode two of my show, then you know that term and you're familiar with the idea that there's a centralized, monopolistic health care system that really is just more money and control focused and it keeps doctors in shackles. And one of the things I wanted to ask you is how much our doctors, or the medical system, or I don't even know the alternative world how educated are they to look for or identify this problem of parasites? Is anybody in the medical system really trained in that?
Speaker 2:No, no, we're trained in finding a medication and finding the symptom. We're trained in looking at the body with an ICD-10 code, which is how insurance runs. We were trained with understanding medications and a lot of my training was self-trained. But also I went to a lot of big pharma dinners where they would talk about the human body but what their answer was to fix the problem.
Speaker 2:And some of the things that I did in the field were really cool, like I helped with MS and Tysabri and developing that once a month IV therapy for MS patients. But like, how difficult would it be to do some alternatives with them? You know what I'm saying. Like mushrooms, like turkey tail man, turkey tail breaks down not medical advice, but tumors and they give it to chemo patients and it helps boost your immune system and it's like not really something that is hurtful to take, but in a money aspect it is, you know. And so I feel like we've all kind of lost our way in the world that we're in right now and I do feel like there's some refocusing of health and understanding, you know, making America healthy again. But like, if that doesn't happen, at least people got awakened to the health.
Speaker 2:And that's what we all need to really have is a medical awakening, not just an awakening or the awakening we need to have a medical awakening because it just an awakening, or the awakening we need to have a medical awakening because it all stems back to your body. It's all about this one temple you get. You lay your head down at night, did you do your best to this body? But that's not their goal and we weren't trained that way. And I did my best when I was a professor and I ran 25 healthcare colleges for DeVry and I wrote curriculum that they're still using.
Speaker 2:I really did my best to have people teach their patient how to do their best because, when it comes to this, people don't understand their own bodies and that's really a misfortune. We're teaching people in high school how to do things you'll never use, but we're not teaching people in high school how to eat right and you know, use red light and use vibration and workout and how important it is to move your body and take natural herbs. Rockefeller did what he did because one of money. Two, because it's easily to. It's easy to drive synthetic medications versus going and getting a plant and it's cheaper to do synthetic medications than to go and get a plant.
Speaker 1:Right, well, and that's what I like about your formulation. The first one I saw there was this comprehensive, systematic way, but you also you chose to make tinctures instead of just dry and powder a bunch of herbs and stick them in a capsule. So talk about the difference between, or why you chose that method of preparation for people who don't know the differences of how to prepare herbs.
Speaker 2:Well, tinctures, you have to soak them for like five to eight weeks to remove all the medicine from the plant. And then we also learned which plant is a water-based. So some plants are alcohol-based and some plants are water-based and some are both. So it's called a double extraction. Mushrooms are a double extraction, so a lot of my knowledge is because of extracting with mushrooms.
Speaker 2:When you take a pill, it goes into your stomach acids and if you have parasites, not all of it actually is being absorbed. But when you have a tincture, all of it is because it's readily available. It's immediately going into the bloodstream, which is really where parasites are not just your gut, they're in our blood, and so it's immediately and it doesn't have to fight with anything. Our blood, and so it's immediately and it doesn't have to fight with anything. So it just goes right in, right away, absorbs right into your mouth and it actually helps with your mouth health too. So you're kind of getting more than just oh, I took a pill and then I have to wait for it to like, absorb and then get into the blood. No, it's instant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's what I've. I've done other parasite cleanses and haven't found much success or much like show. I had one like hot fire, bowel movement. I'm like what was that? So maybe that was something other than that. It was like, well, what was that all about? Like there's nothing to show for all of this and to be able to know, okay, that's it's, we don't. We're not just reliant on the GI tract that may be gunked up anyway to try to extract some value for these herbs. You've got a whole system of how to do that. So, okay, well, a couple things I want to ask. Just practical Talk about testing. Given the reality that most people likely have them, is it worth doing testing or do you just kind of assume it's there and go through the process anyway? Or what would you say about getting whether your water or your body tested?
Speaker 2:You should just do it.
Speaker 1:Just do it Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, other countries like Mexico, they just it's like twice a year. They're like all right or with symptoms. So if you're doing a parasite cleanse even if it's not mine and you get off of the cleanse and you still have symptoms, that's symptoms. So you want to get right back on it. And I did 30 days specifically because I don't want people to waste the money. If you get on it and you're like, oh, I just can't dedicate 30 days, then you don't have nine, nine months worth of product. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then then there's no waste of herbs. And so, overall, 30 days is just your starting point. But other countries realize that when symptoms arise, that they take their antiparasitic and symptoms calm down. But they do it in a system like HCQ with Iver. So you know, they know what they're doing and they can easily master it themselves. They don't need to go to a doctor. That's really where we're at Like. Not everyone wants to go to a doctor.
Speaker 1:That's that's really where we're at Like, not everyone wants to go to a doctor, right? Well, even the going to doctors, I've had several different handful, several, three, four different doctors that we've talked about this and they say they've tested their patients and almost every single time the test comes back negative. And so, like I don't, I don't perceive the need to do that. So talk about this problem of false negatives then.
Speaker 2:Okay. So because I come from this world and I taught lab people, that was one of um one of my curriculums that I actually helped set up they get three minutes and it's not some like guy in a white coat like looking at it no man, it's like they get three minutes If they don't see anything move. They don't see anything they recognize with their own eyes in the microscope. It's done. However, if you look at the bottom of your lab slip, it says this is not in lieu of a parasitic infection.
Speaker 2:So, they're out. Right, they got their out, they got their asterisk, they got their fine print and they don't have to be responsible anymore. Print and they don't have to be responsible anymore. The lab tech dude or chick that you know, some of them have been around a long time in that field, some of them have not. You just don't know three minutes. And if they don't see anything, if they don't recognize anything, if nothing's moving, negative and they're out.
Speaker 2:So the only way the insurance companies are going to pay for medications that are stupid expensive, which are seven bucks in Mexico, is if it comes back positive. So if it comes back negative, then your doctor is not going to look at it anymore and they're immediately going to go. Oh yeah, well, it came back negative. Yeah, well, it came back negative. But they also didn't test you during a full moon and they didn't run a blood test that has eosinophils in it, which is your indication that you have parasites, mold, candida or a high elevated count of some kind in your cells. That's what an EOS on your blood work means. So they're not doing your stool with your blood work during the full moon and full moon thing. That is legit.
Speaker 1:I can go over exactly why I'm baffled at why that's relevant, but I don't dismiss it either. So educate us.
Speaker 2:So well, let's, I'll finish the labs.
Speaker 2:So, once they go through the lab, once they mark it negative and that's done. They're relying on that because your doctor's not going through your stool or doing a live blood analysis, which is silly, because we should be doing a live blood analysis, which is they draw your blood and they look at it. Right, then they give it time. I'm actually going to go do one in Seattle here in a couple of months just to see, because I'm doing some other experimental procedures because I do have pandas and encephalitis, so I'm doing some other cool experiments that I'm going to videos for people.
Speaker 2:But, the live blood analysis really should be something that we're doing once a year, so it gives you an accurate, right then present result. And that's just not something that you know the insurance is ever going to pay for, and that's ultimately what this is all about is what the insurance will pay for.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I can imagine that. I just think of the lab tech factory of like. Here's another thing of poop I got to look through and it's just three minutes yeah.
Speaker 2:It sits there. So when you do it, you're not refrigerating it. They're not giving you the exact way to do your collection, which is you're supposed to do it for four days. You get two vials. You scoop a little bit in the first vial, put it in the refrigerator. Then you scoop the next day and the second vial, put it in the refrigerator, scoop the next day and the second vial, put in the refrigerator. Then you scoop a third day in the first vial, so you get a better picture of what's going on in your your gut and the stool, and stool and pee are remnants and runoffs from your blood. So that's what's the part that people are missing is your pee is a runoff from your blood and so what's in your blood is coming out of your pee. And so when you're doing these tests, if you don't have a good picture and you're just like, oh, one day you're never going to know because maybe that day they were hiding, maybe that day they didn't shed, maybe that day they didn't lay an egg, you just don't know. With only doing a day, so you should do it over four days, two days in each of the containers that they give you, and then they don't put it as a high priority, so they can die in that thing and so you're not getting accurate testing because there isn't a better way right now.
Speaker 2:In our country, now Mexico, does it differently, and when you test through, like parasitesorg or Zoom or something, it is more fast paced because that's all they're doing, that's it Like. They get it in and they test it immediately, or they put it in the fridge, I can tell you, they let it sit out, they let it sit out and so anything that could potentially be alive, and they don't also have anything to compare it to. So some people will actually send in samples of their worm and they don't have anything to compare it to. So some people will actually send in samples of their worm and they don't have anything to compare it to. Now, don't do this. But if you sent it to a vet tech, they 100% know what's going on, because they're constantly looking at dogs and cats, stool, looking for parasites so that they can give them a dewormer. But we just don't have that ability to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which makes me go back to the question of like why is this such a dismissed problem? And I wonder if it's because we don't have good treatments, or the liability issues, or we just like people being sick or like something it's there. None of them are good answers, but that's the world we live in. So, um, okay, comment on that if you want, but circle back to the full moon question of why that's relevant.
Speaker 2:Um, let's comment on the other thing real quick. I think that they don't want to admit they were wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a little COVID.
Speaker 2:Who wants to admit that. I mean, for me personally it was very difficult and at times there was some shame because I dismissed it myself. I wrote a lot of medical books over the last few years for academia and I wrote curriculum and I gave it maybe an hour talking. So it's been dismissed. It's been dismissed by even the people that aren't meaning to dismiss it. But I would go back to oh, my pets didn't give me that. That's not possible. Oh, it's very possible. In fact they did. You know. So, like just, I think, the shame of coming out admitting it. I think that then we're going to have to look at a lot of other issues, specifically our water in our country is a huge issue.
Speaker 2:This is a huge issue. The water is a ginormous issue and um, we spend my husband and I spend a lot of money on filters because we know what we know now and you can't unknow it we travel with filters. We make sure, because that's your fundamental filters we make sure, because that's your fundamental, that's your foundation.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly no. So it's really important to filter your water with at least a five micron or smaller filter. These filters that you buy that are like joely, that are just for your hair and skin. They don't have an actual filter. They're being, the water is being filtered, but you have to filter, which is a five micron, because nematodes are 40 micron, and then you have all the other layers of toxins that are in our water. So if you just go to straight to five, to one, you're covering it all.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay. Well, that's a good, easier way to get to something practical of cutting off some of the input of this. And then there's this life cycle of parasites related to the moon and related to where they fall, where the testing puzzle falls in and how there's so many false negatives. But talk to us about the life cycle and the full moon a little bit.
Speaker 2:So the full moon creates more serotonin in your body and parasites live off of serotonin in your body.
Speaker 2:That's why you feel like, for me, my self-worth is low when I know I need to cleanse because they're in there eating my serotonin, which you need, is your happy, your happy hormone, and so that's why it kind of makes you crazy during the full moon. So that's why it kind of makes you crazy during the full moon. And from all my studies, french folklore states that you should start cleansing three days before the full moon, because that's when they start to dislodge themselves and create new communities. And the French ate a lot of snails which has schistomycin in it, so they're very well versed on how to parasite cleanse back in the day, because they would eat a lot of snails, so they knew that they would have to cleanse because of it. So they would do it three days prior to the full moon, over the full moon and a few days after the full moon every month.
Speaker 2:And that's what I do now every month when I'm in between my 30 day cleanses. Wow, but it's true, man, when I worked in the er, it was you never, you just geared up for the full moon. And again, I repeat this because I live in Seattle and I moved to. This is my second apartment in Seattle. Last year I lived in an apartment that was right on this walkway called the blade, and it literally is like the hood of seattle and over the full moon I would watch and people were wild, just wild, and I would go oh jeremy, their worms are out of control.
Speaker 1:Look at them wow, what a funny way to uh. Maybe have a different way to do people watching.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I'm like, oh, I wonder if this like I know from working in the ER that it was crazy during the full moon and I would, we would brace ourselves in doctor's offices because of that. But now I'm like, oh, this is a real thing. Like I literally got to watch human behavior the last year staring out my own window, like during the full moon, people were just nuts on the streets and I'm like, oh my gosh, I have it on video because I'm like no one's ever going to believe me, but I got a video of this.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, so does it like you've got a 30 day cleanse? Does it matter when you started? Do you have to time it in a particular way? Can you just start it knowing you're going to cut somewhere through there? You're going to hit the full moon? Is that more or less the answer?
Speaker 2:Both. I mean honestly I can. I now that the way I do things, I make sure that I do like a mini cleanse over the full moon, but like, if I'm doing my 30 day and I need to just get going, I just get going. If I can do it over the full moon, I'll do it over the full moon. But if you really want to make it like, oh, then yeah, you should start three days before the full moon.
Speaker 1:Three days, okay. And then you're poisoning them on both ends, like right before they're getting ready to hatch or throw a party, and then on the back end, as the after they've had their party, the, the uh cleanup crew is abundantly present and kicking them out. Did I summarize that reasonably well? Yeah, they're having a rager wow, things you never thought you'd hear on a podcast.
Speaker 2:Here we are, I mean who would have thought I mean, I think it because that's why I was deemed the worm queen well, yeah, and the amount of stuff that I mean.
Speaker 1:If you can see, like I said, her, every single day there's some new thing I have you to thank for, like exploding parasites and as a category, and this, like contained explosion inside my body of dying worms that now create all this debris that needs to be cleaned up. So thank you for all of your wonderful or not so wonderful images that I I may stop following you just so I can get some something, just mute me for a minute. Some people have to come back.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, yeah, and I try and make it as fun as possible.
Speaker 2:This is like I mean, never in a million years would I have ever thought that this would be something that I would be discussing on a daily basis, let alone starting a company with 30 plus employees, right with 30 plus employees, right Over 30 employees, 10,000 square foot manufacturing facility, 3,400 square foot storage facility. Never would I have thought that this would be where I was at. I mean, just three years ago, like literally just three years ago, this is all that we were doing, and there's four of us that dedicated our lives to this. There's me and my husband and our business partner, erica and her husband, and they live in Jonesboro. So that's why our facilities in Jonesboro and we're in Seattle is because they live in Jonesboro and they run our production facility.
Speaker 2:So it really has been. You know, we've all gotten to use our talents, um, where my husband and I are builders, so we've gotten to build our own manufacturing facility. There's so many things that we all put our love and heart and soul into this company and our community, and we give everything out except for our kit, and even that we do a lot of giveaways, we do a lot of discounts, because this is more than just a company to us. This is our lifestyle and this is what we want our our world to be happy and healthy again in life, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you've done it I mean, you're a classic example of your pain becomes your mission. You've taken something that was a obvious problem and placed where so many people are lost and not finding the real answer, and you just it was too important to you to leave it alone and you've given it to your life. And thank you from me and the rest of the people who will get to benefit from your work. It's nice to have something that you can just tell comes from a good heart and has got solid evidence and science behind it, and one of the things you have on your site you have these parasite identification guides and, oh my gosh, like again the torrent of things that you like.
Speaker 1:I asked her she's right, you can see her, she's laughing at me right now but so these parasite identification guides there's two of them. They're over 300 pages each and it's just a constant scroll of here's parasites or worms that came out of people's body, and I asked her are you serious? Is this really from your own customer base? And she's like, yeah, yeah. I asked her are you serious? Is this really from your own customer base? And she's like, yeah, yeah. And how many more pictures do you have that you don't publish?
Speaker 2:Those were just good pictures Like people sent. I mean I think I have like 20,000 pictures. I mean I spent six weeks going through all the pictures on my phone and we'll probably do a book three. Yeah, because there's so many. There's so many pictures and I feel like people just don't know where to even go, including myself. There was nothing out there when I was looking at liver flukes. I'm like I don't even know what a liver fluke looks like. Again, this just isn't something that like I thought. And again, I was a valedictorian for two of my degrees and I love looking at things and if I don't know it, how could anybody else know it? You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we got to have the information out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if anybody wants to join us and compare worm pooping stories with your friends in these books, we're happy to have you and take a picture. Maybe you will make it past the editor. Who knows, oh my God, maybe you'll make it.
Speaker 2:Maybe you'll make it centerfold. Right, my friend Sam has the centerfold.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I want to have Right now she's the centerfold.
Speaker 2:She blew a hundred worms out of her nose. What, yeah? Which was my nightmare. I never wanted to have them come out of any orifices, which I did, and I had them come out of my feet with the fulvic soak which we sell that fulvic soak, specifically because I had them swim out of my feet.
Speaker 1:You had that. So you're in a bath, you're doing a fulvic soak one of your products and you see worms floating on the top of the water. Is this what you, what you're telling me?
Speaker 2:just did foot soak and the worms swam out of the water or swam out of my feet and they're swimming in the water and I have it on video in fact, I did a video before because I like to video everything and I'm sitting there, I'm like man, I'm super disappointed, I can't, uh, I can't. Nothing's happening like I can feel it, I'm not seeing anything. I guess this is just really disappointing. And then, like two seconds later, I'm like oh, and like I show my my foot soak and I've got multiple worms swimming in my soak hey, wow.
Speaker 1:So if you ever needed a good reason to consider a parasite cleanse folks there, it is okay, give us a. So we've heard good bits about your fascinating story. Give us a customer or two, or just like some stories of other people in their health or healing or ways that you have been able to change their lives through the use of your products.
Speaker 2:A lot of women have gotten pregnant because they've been able to remove some of the burdens that their body is having. You know, your body is thinking it's taking care of something else that's alive, because there is things alive in your body, and so it's giving all of its time and energy and nutrients to that. And so we've had quite a few people, which is really great because, again, endometriosis and I had a hysterectomy and I don't have kids, and so it's kind of nice to see other women who have struggled. Our bottle guy we have these really cool blue bottles. His name is Tyler.
Speaker 2:He's given me permission to share a story whenever I want. Him and his wife tried for three years to have children and I sent them a kit and I said just give it a try. Like what's the worst that's going to happen? You might see some worms when you go to the bathroom and they have a one and a half year old now. Yeah, buddy, so you know, it's just really awesome that people can take their own health into their hands and just go. I'm just gonna try it. Like I'm just gonna try it. It's not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 1:You're gonna get nutrients in your body that you weren't getting before yeah, the parasites aren't eating your food first and giving you the leftovers you get to Right, yeah, cool, and so many other symptoms or stories that could be told, and we'll let the yeah, I guess let the customer go check out your social media or your website and the guides and find some of these. There are so many reviews and you don't sell as many kits as you have if you weren't doing God's work. So thank you for what you're doing, and so, as we start wrapping up, is there anything I left out? Anything you want to tell people and let them know where to find you and follow your work?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for having me, you're welcome and you can find me. Mrsrogershood is on instant threads and then mrs Rogers hood, as in like Mr Rogers neighborhood, find the helpers. So Mrs Rogers hood is on TikTok, youtube, instagram. Nope, I already said that. Yeah, just the dot is on Insta because someone has Mrs Rogers hood, which I feel for. I can only imagine what her DMs look like sometimes.
Speaker 1:Why does everybody keep asking me about worms?
Speaker 2:I know, one day she messaged me and she's like do you think I'm like? No, I'm not stopping. You can give me your name and then it'll stop.
Speaker 1:But not for now. So, yeah, wow, very cool. Okay, and what's your website and anything else you want to say?
Speaker 2:Rogershoodcom is our website, and we answer every email, every DM, we answer every comment that we can, and so if you reach out to us, we will get back with you. So just be patient, because we do get a lot, depending on if we're viral that day or not, which we're viral, kind of every day. So we really try to get back to you in 24 hours and everything that I've talked about is free. We've got a fast track guide that can get you started, whether it's with our kit or with any sort of a cleanse. We have a mold cleanse as well, because I had mold poisoning so I made a mold mold cleanse called moldies. You can actually take everything that's in the moldies kit with the Parify kit, excluding moldies.
Speaker 2:So it's really just great to have additional support, and that's what all of our tinctures do for each other support each other. Yeah, I mean, honestly, just give it a try, you'll feel better, you might lose a little weight, your inflammation will go down. I mean, honestly, just give it a try, you'll feel better, you might lose a little weight, your inflammation will go down. I mean, that's the whole purpose is just to feel better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I remember just seeing your first video that went viral and how you look now. Compared to that and I told you earlier you literally look 10 years younger. You did something just to give your body a chance to heal. And one other question you made me think of as you were talking was the what other things do you suggest pairing with a cleanse like this? Do you go up the back end and suggest anything Obviously soaks and baths and so anything else you'd recommend to compliment what you do?
Speaker 2:Coffee enemas, colonics. So to make sure you're peeing, pooping and perspiring when you're doing any cleanse, because you're trying to get rid of the toxins.
Speaker 2:So, I highly recommend saunas. Steam red light is my favorite. I do red light every day and I do vibration plate every day, so just keeping the movement going. I've recently this year started doing hyperbaric chamber, which is oxygen therapy, and I do NAD just to keep my body boosted and allow me to detox more comfortably. Because that's really what it is Once you have a bad cleanse, you might not ever do a cleanse again, so it's like a bad trip. Once you do one, you're like oh, it scares you.
Speaker 2:So you wanna make sure that you're having a good cleanse in order for you to continue to do it, because your body really needs it. We're just our toxin bucket's overloaded at this point in life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, and it's once you can get your head around that. Okay, this, I have a toxicity problem, I'm going to have to get the exits open and I'm going to have to be able to find the things that get whatever needs to leave my body out, and so that's really. We've simplified our business down to that, and we are proud to feature your products as part of our cleanse. So anybody wants supervision going through this and have communities to surround you. That's what we're all about. And so, kim, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. It has been a pleasure having you on the show, and I'll have to have you back for some other conversation in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mushrooms I love. I can talk about mushrooms for hours.
