Sean Patrick Tario – Digital Sovereignty and Free Speech: Exposing Big Tech's Control and Creating Privacy-Focused Alternatives

Big tech is not your friend, and we need to talk about it. Our insightful guest, Sean Patrick Tario from Mark37.com, reveals the urgent need to protect free speech and develop a digital Plan B. We dissect the Supreme Court's mishandling of the Missouri vs. Biden case, the unjust imprisonment of Telegram's CEO in France, and the misleading legislative efforts to ban TikTok. Sean shares alternative, privacy-focused digital solutions and stresses the importance of creating independent digital ecosystems free from invasive tracking and censorship.

From Silicon Valley to advocating for digital privacy, Sean's journey is nothing short of thought-provoking. We explore the critical role of data in the tech industry, especially the early revenue sources for giants like Google and the influence of DARPA. We also discuss the societal impact of technology addiction, the weaponization of everyday devices, and the alarming parallels between spiritual warfare and modern digital surveillance. Sean’s insights remind us of the importance of understanding who controls our digital world and the necessity of technological awareness and preparedness.

Reclaiming our digital sovereignty starts with practical steps and supportive communities. We cover how to audit your personal digital life, the importance of privacy-focused tools like Brave, and strategies for mitigating risks while engaging with major platforms. We also delve into the significance of embracing technologies like AI for positive messaging and the need to escape the addictive grip of social media. Join us for a compelling discussion on building a future where technology aligns with our values and protects our privacy.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

• Sean's website - Mark37.com - Use code HU7 for 7% off. 
• Three steps to digital freedom
• Alternatives to big tech
• Your Smart TV can watch you - video
• Who owns TikTok

Chapters

• 0:52 The Battle for Digital Freedom
• 5:56 Building Parallel Infrastructure
• 20:46 Data
• 34:56 Navigating Technology Addiction and Health Journey
• 44:36 Facing Hardship and Trusting Faith
• 50:09 AI, TikTok, and Global Control
• 58:44 Leveraging Technology for Strategic Influence
• 1:02:45 Escaping the Digital Rabbit Hole
• 1:07:42 Understanding the Weaponization of Technology
• 1:14:39 Digital Privacy and Freedom Audit
• 1:18:22 Navigating Digital Transformation Process
• 1:28:45 Guiding With Patience and Wisdom

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:53

Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 36. This is the fifth episode in my Sovereignty series and my guest for today is Mr Sean Patrick Theriault of the company Mark37. You can find him at mark37.com. One of my listeners introduced me to Sean and basically said he and I were brothers who had never met. I guess she appreciated that we are both unafraid to speak truth wherever we can find a microphone and I think after you hear the interview you'll know why she said that. So thank you for the introduction, elizabeth.

Speaker 1: 1:23

This episode really is a wake-up call about where big tech is trying to take us and friends. It is not a pretty picture. I think it's safe to say that the interview is kind of timely for at least three reasons, and the first is just how badly the Supreme Court recently bombed the Missouri versus Biden case on censorship, and this issue of the right to speak freely is not going away. We are going to have to fight for it. Second, you may have heard that the CEO of Telegram, the last truly decentralized social platform, and the CEO was imprisoned in France recently on totally made up charges. And how many of you want to bet that Zuckerberg isn't going to be arrested for the very real and proven human trafficking problems on his platform. Don't hold your breath. Zuckerberg is protected by international immunities, like I talked about in episode 32. So couple that, thirdly, with Congress basically working to outlaw TikTok in the US on the false pretext that it is a Chinese-owned company. It is not. The majority of the shareholders are from the US and that's just not how they sold it to us. So, as always, the powers that be wrap that Trojan horse TikTok bill in the wrapping paper of keeping us safe and protecting children in the wrapping paper of keeping us safe and protecting children and friends. What that bill is really about is about taking control of speech, like they are doing all over Europe right now. So hoping these big tech leopards will change their spots is a fool's errand. If you're expecting that to happen, don't hold your breath. And if you think the same thing can't happen to Twitter or X, it's time to wake up.

Speaker 1: 2:55

So the fight for free speech is on friends, and I think in this episode, you'll see that if we continue to place all of our digital eggs in the big tech basket, we are not going to like where that takes us. So they know that we are intertwined in their systems and that it would be painful to do the work to disentangle, and they are relying on that emotional aversion to change to be the thing that keeps us corralled in their systems. And so this episode is a clarion call that it is time to roll up our sleeves and methodically start to formulate our digital plan B. So the great news is and a few years ago this was not true, but the great news is for every digital hardware or operating system or app or software captured by these evil control freaks, there is already an alternative. We do not have to stay stuck in their systems. If you can name it, sean can point you to an open source, non-tracking alternative. All we need to do is swallow the reality that it's time to start making the move and do it.

Speaker 1: 3:55

So I'm personally about halfway through my digital disentangling. With Sean's help and that of a few others, I plan to finish the job. So if you've built a business that's dependent on the big tech or big tech social platforms, I think you're really going to appreciate the mindset he encouraged us to have as we work toward how to engage with those platforms and reduce our risk while we do so. I think you'll find that perspective instructive and knowing these realities that Sean is describing is really a big reason why my wife and I went through all the effort to build our own app. We are never going to ask you to join a Facebook group again. We wanted our own digital ecosystems, without all the creepy tracking tech and data mining. We needed a place where we won't get shadow banned or deplatformed for telling you the truth. So if you like health and you like freedom, look for the Healing United PMA app in the app store and with a few clicks you can join us for all sorts of cool things that I will tell you about in the outro to the show.

Speaker 1: 4:51

For now, get ready for a splash of cold water in the face of digital complacency. We can avoid the ugly future where these sick, empty, lonely, aging, narcissistic globalists are trying to take us, and it all starts one person at a time. So are you doing your part? Their control of us relies upon our consent, and it has never been easier to move to a different digital ecosystem and stop giving them your consent. So, without further ado, here is my conversation with the fearless and feisty Sean Patrick Theriault. All right, hello everyone. Welcome to today's episode. My guest is Sean Patrick Theriault. He is a husband, father, author, speaker, and he is an unashamed follower of Jesus. He left a lucrative career in big tech and the data center world and in lobbying, and he became one of the managing partners at Mark 37, which is a company dedicated to freedom-loving tech and reclaiming digital privacy. So, sean, welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2: 5:55

Thank you for having me Looking forward to the conversation.

Speaker 1: 5:57

Yeah, yeah, okay. So give us your background. You've made some big changes. You've made some serious sacrifices to stand on principle and kind of do the hard and really uncomfortable things to use your skills to focus on. I guess what I describe as pulling people out of the matrix. So tell us that story.

Speaker 2: 6:16

Yeah. So where to begin? How much time do we have? So the gist of it is that I became an entrepreneur at a very young age and got that bug, whether it was mowing lawns and shoveling driveways, living in Chicago as a kid or starting a company when I was a sophomore in college with a handful of buddies, when we were in Silicon Valley and everyone else was doing it it was 1998, 99. And we said if these idiots can do it, why can't we? I just caught that bug and caught that itch.

Speaker 2: 6:44

So throughout my life I've either been investing in seed stage startups, I've been involved with them directly myself, I've been a mentor for different entrepreneurs as they've grown their businesses. So I've had that bug in my life for better or worse. Sometimes I ask myself why I continue to do these things and build and create these things, because the cash flow doesn't always follow through as it would. If I just stayed in the matrix and I just worked for big tech and worked for big you know, big infrastructure companies, as I was, I'd be a multimillionaire by now and probably semi-retired. But nope, the Lord said Sean, I need you in the battle, I need you on the front lines and I need you to help educate and train people on exactly how the surveillance economy and the surveillance state is affecting their lives on a day-to-day basis, on a second-by-second basis. Because he blessed me with this knowledge and with these experiences that I've had throughout my life, working for software companies, working in Silicon Valley, learning at age 14 when my dad sat me down and forced me to watch the seven I think it was a seven VHS tape series of the creature from Jekyll Island, where it was literally the video, the video version of the book, and I learned very early on who runs everything, who controls everything, how monetary systems work. You know what is value, what is currency. So I really started at a very young age following the money, learning to ask questions, not trusting really the authority, learning that the Federal Reserve is neither federal nor reserve, being called a conspiracy theorist at age 15 when I was debating my econ professors in high school. So I've been in this weird path of my life. My life, you know again, traveled the country, traveled the world, training people about the data center industry and about the hosting industry and privacy and security and networks, wrote a book on the industry. So I've been blessed with all these experiences in the infrastructure space, I understand who the players are, how the technology works, how it all fits together, and when I started to really realize that all of this infrastructure that controls the brave new digital world that we live in is really owned and operated by people who are diametrically opposed to our belief systems, that's when the sounding, you know, the alarms went off in my head and I was, you know, on my knees in prayer.

Speaker 2: 9:16

Uh, literally watching what happened on January 6th. Um, because I called it. I said this is going to be a false flag operation. They're going to create some major circus event. Uh, my wife wanted to go to DC. We were living in Raleigh at the time. I literally had to, like forcefully restrain her and hide the keys so that she wouldn't go up there to you. If my wife was there, she would have been in the Capitol, she'd been walking around taking pictures. She probably would be in jail right now. So I'm on my knees because I'm like Lord. I knew this was going to happen. I feel powerless to assist and help.

Speaker 2: 9:58

I've been screaming at my friends who have conservative websites or Christian-focused websites, or even two-way websites, that they're going to be deplatformed, that they're going to be demonetized. I saw this happening in Silicon Valley. Because you follow the money, you look at who is ownership and control of the business and then you learn what the ethos is of at who is ownership and control of the business and then you learn what the ethos is of the people who have that control and ownership and it's fairly easy to understand how they're going to act and operate in the marketplace. And when you realize that it's the same globalist money, it's the same anti-Christian money, it's the same actors and players that are pulling the strings throughout all of this that we've seen come down over the last couple of years, who have the ability to literally flip the switch and turn your website off and say, for whatever reason, you're violating our terms of service and you disappear. That happened to Parler, if you remember Parler was a social media website for conservatives.

Speaker 2: 10:58

They got turned off 24-hour notice from Amazon Web Services because they were facilitating and abetting what happened on the insurrection of the Capitol 24-hour notice and they were removed online. That's when the red flags went off and everyone went crazy. But I'm on my knees and I'm praying and I'm like Lord, you have to put me on the front lines of this war. I'm so sick and tired of watching the people who are supposed to be the generals in this fight, for, whether it's election integrity or it's fighting all the BS going on in schools you name it, all the different battles that we're fighting right now. The generals, seemingly, are oblivious to how technology works, and it's not until you know. We have a saying and a joke in the infrastructure world, which there's only a couple thousand of us. But it's like a company is only going to prepare and invest in disaster recovery services after the next disaster. Right, people don't want to be aware of it, they don't want to invest in it, they don't want the insurance, they don't want to do anything or even acknowledge that exists until after that disaster occurs. Then it becomes a priority. Then they're like oh, you know, they blame the IT CTO, cio, why didn't you prepare for this? And he's like I put it I wanted this in the budget and you said no, you said it was not a priority. So that same stuff happens day in and day out.

Speaker 2: 12:18

Right now, these infrastructure companies control all of our data. They control the narratives that we read and see and that have been fed to us not just for the last couple of years, but for 15, 20, 30 years, right Since the advent of IT. In technology, this has been happening. So I've been warning people, saying this is going to happen. And the Lord said parallel infrastructure. Sean, you need to leverage your experiences, your domain expertise, to start building parallel infrastructure. That means we can have all these fancy and cool applications that maybe cater to our community, but if those applications sit on servers, in data centers that are owned and controlled by people who literally want to try to kill us right now, then they mean nothing because they can turn you off in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2: 13:12

So that's where I focus my life in around 2019, 2020. 2019, 2018, trying to get people awake and aware. And then the lights went off in 2020, 2021, for most people said, oh my gosh, this is a reality. What do I do? So I've been on that mission for a long time and currently my focus is on trying to educate and train people on the devices that they carry around with them all day, every day. So your phones, your laptops, what are the operating systems that they're running? Why does that matter? What are the applications that you're using? Why does that matter? What are you using for communications? Why does that matter?

Speaker 2: 13:51

And we can go down those rabbit holes. But that's kind of a long story short. But I'm a father. I've got three kids. My oldest is 18. My youngest is 11. Currently live in upstate South Carolina. Lived in Silicon Valley, lived in Raleigh, north Carolina, lived in Chicago and now live in upstate South Carolina.

Speaker 1: 14:09

That was a great summary, so tell us a little bit about your lobbying background too, so that becomes relevant in the conversation as well.

Speaker 2: 14:15

Yeah, so so many fun stories there. So, upon realizing that you know Google and Facebook and Microsoft, at&t, verizon these behemoths in the technology world were investing millions of dollars to lobby senators both on the federal side and the state side because I've been actively involved on both domains in DC and in state politics that money was being invested to convince these senators and congressmen that the best interest for them and their constituents was to support, you know, google and Apple and Facebook and Microsoft and AT&T, when what that really was doing it's no different than like Walmart coming into a community and decimating all the small businesses. When you're supporting these big tech enterprises, you start to decimate all the smaller ISPs, the Internet service providers and the smaller hosting companies, niche hosting providers, because you further consolidate that whole industry. So we were going into DC and into Raleigh, in North Carolina primarily, and when I was in California I was going to Sacramento. Now I'm in South Carolina, so I'm down in Columbia, but trying to educate people on how the Internet works, because once you really start to understand how infrastructure and the internet works, you can start to make better decisions.

Speaker 2: 15:42

I believe that most congresspeople and politicians, and even their staffers, who make the majority of the decisions and write the majority of the policy papers, are clueless as to how the internet works. So we would go into meetings with staffers, really, and we'd go into the meeting. I'll give you a perfect example. This happened when we were in DC multiple times. We're going into a meeting scheduled meeting me and a handful of other people CEOs of internet service providers, smaller hosting companies, regional hosting companies and the person walking out of the office is from either AT&T, google or Microsoft. Arm around the senator or the congressman laughing, joking. Great time at dinner last night, we should grab drinks tonight. Yada, yada, yada. Like homies, right, buddy, buddy, right. And then we come walking. They're like oh, who are you from? We were with the Internet Infrastructure Coalition it was called I2C, and we were advocating on behalf of these ISPs and these smaller hosting companies and data center providers. And they'd be like oh yeah, you'll be meeting with staffer so-and-so today, right? Not even meeting with the congressperson. That's who you really want to be meeting with anyway, because they are in charge of policy that relates to blah, blah, blah. So they would direct us off to that person and then we would sit down with that staffer, who was, you know, literally 21, 22 years old, have near no knowledge about what the heck was going on and we would never hear from them again. Right, but we would come armed and we would say, look, your constituents are our customers and we have, you know, a combined total of like 500 employees at these businesses that are in your district. So this stuff should matter to you because if you're going to back these policies that support big tech, these jobs are going to go away in your district and you're probably going to piss these people off. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 17:38

This was very informative. You know we'd love to hear from you. We were talking about censorship and talking about all kinds of stuff with what was going on with the Internet and the consolidation of what they were trying to convert the Internet into, like a cable system where you could buy your sports package of Internet companies that you could access through your ISP. You know all that garbage, but anyway. So spent a lot of time in DC, spent a lot of time in Raleigh and Sacramento and now in Columbia learning how the sausage is made, and it was sickening, to be honest with you, and disgusting.

Speaker 2: 18:13

I have a twin sister who spent years in DC working in DC. Also, she worked for Bush Cheney, so I got a backstage pass to the White House when she was working there. She also was a lobbyist for the Department of Labor and she's had a pretty incredible career in DC. So I learned from her as well how that sausage was made and I just learned that the system there is all about money, it's all about power. You're very easily corrupted and that the people who are in charge more want in power. But anyway, that's my long version of the history that I've had lobbying in state and federal.

Speaker 1: 19:04

Yeah, well it's. It's so relevant because you have like, in some ways I'm envious and glad that I didn't have my red pill creature from Jekyll Island experience in my teenage years. I had it. Covid kicked it off for me. I'm like, what in the world does none of this make sense? There has to be an angle from which it does.

Speaker 1: 19:20

And once I figured that out, like, oh, there really are psychopaths. They really do crave power and there's no end to their desire for power. And they look at every new thing that has ever invented, or every technology, every system, through the lens of how can I buy that and control it and and own more things? And if that means stepping on people or slitting throats or buying off people or whatever has to be done to accomplish that, that's what they'll do. And there's such I mean the creature from Jack O'Lantern lays out so much of that history where you just can't unsee it.

Speaker 1: 19:51

And so to hear that you had that for so long and you were in the trenches fighting for teaching people how the system works and then attempting to educate at a legislative level where these things could be put in check or where the giant consolidation of what we have available to us could have dissolved and to see there's not much will to do it, it really does. I can see why you're like, lord. I see this problem. I don't know how to make a dent, but put me in there in the fight somewhere, and it's just been. It's admirable what you're doing. So, before we get to some of the details of what you're doing, help the listener who may not see or connect these dots yet. Give us some of the maybe historical plot points that you find relevant through the last several decades that give evidence, so we can kind of have a more accurate map of reality. What's happening here? What? What has gone on in an attempt to consolidate or use technology more as a weapon against us?

Speaker 2: 21:17

yeah, so um, in silicon valley in the 90s and early 2000s, so let's just say, even before 95. So like 92. I was only 12 years old in 92. So I don't have direct experience. But I used to have a podcast called I Love Data Centers and I used to interview executives and owners of different data center infrastructure companies and people who literally created the internet. So I've learned a literally created the internet. So I've learned a ton over the years.

Speaker 2: 21:48

I love doing interviews like this with people and what I learned is that in Silicon Valley, if you wanted money for your company, if you walked into a venture capital firm or private equity firm or most seed stage investors at that time, you needed to have a data story and most inventors and entrepreneurs would walk in and be like I thought the interview went well, but they said come back after I can learn how I can monetize the data that I'd be collecting on my customers that I would be bringing into my business. And it was all because people realized and knew that data was the new oil, right? So you can mine that data, you can use and you can sell over and over and over again, right? So once you have more and more data points about someone, you can create a profile for that person. You could put them into a demographic chunk and then you can sell that over and over again. So that's how most companies can provide free apps, free services, when, in fact, they're really making money because they're harvesting your data and then they're selling that data.

Speaker 2: 22:50

This has been going on for a very long time and, as you can imagine, not only is that great from a marketing perspective, because this was how it's been sold for so many years. Well, if we have more relevant information about you, we can target you and give you more specific, relevant ads that you're going to actually want, that you're going to need. You won't even have to think about it. This stuff will just show up at the front door and you know that you'll want it, right. So people are like, oh, that sounds good, that sounds great, but in return, you're giving up your liberty, you're giving up your privacy, you're giving up your freedoms because you're allowing them to harvest and access all of this data. Now, take that advanced to what we know now, right, and what we know about DARPA and the projects that DARPA was working on and helped fund, like Google.

Speaker 1: 23:38

Okay, so for people who don't know what DARPA is, define that first.

Speaker 2: 23:42

Right. So DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Projects basically division of our DOD. So they invest a stupid, ungodly amount of money that's a lot of times off the books, on projects that are supposed to be like leveraging technology that we're not even going to find out about for another 15, 20 years. So these agencies that spend again hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars have been investing in technologies that will allow them to predict the future at the end of the day. So if I'm a government agency or a military, I want to know what's going to happen in the future so I can create scenarios as to how this stuff is going to play out over time, right? So, as you can imagine, those organizations government funded organizations have invested a lot of money in universities to run tests and projects and to keep feelers out for certain things going on. And, not surprisingly, they have a lot of influence in Silicon Valley because they want to know what the new tech that's coming out and how they might be able to leverage that, pull that into what they're doing. So Stanford University had big funding, big grant funding coming from DARPA, which they used to put into Google and a handful of other projects that have blown up into what they are today. So when you look at what Google is and was you look at the statements from Sergio and Bryn early on, they knew what they were creating. They knew very clearly what they were creating, that they were creating this massive engine of data consolidation and that eventually was going to be so influenced by the money to dictate the results that would be shown.

Speaker 2: 25:32

So it's not just oh, you pay some dollars and if someone searches a keyword, it's that top thing that shows up. I could literally go to Google today and say I'm going to give you a certain amount of millions of dollars and I want it such that certain things don't show up when you search for them. To Google today and say I'm going to give you a certain amount of millions of dollars and I want it such that certain things don't show up when you search for them, or only certain types of content shows up when you search for them. This has been going on literally since the advent of Google. This is not a new thing and it just so happened that my graduating class from university in 2002 in Silicon Valley, at Santa Clara University, I think I had, like we had like close to 200 people from my graduating class go to work at Google. Like an insane amount of people went to go work at Google Many of my good friends so I heard about all these stories.

Speaker 2: 26:21

In fact, one of the guys I knew, who was a fraternity brother of mine, was head of, like the adult entertainment side of Google, and this is where I learned that not many people know this. But how much of Google's revenue for the first decade came from you know, adult themed searches on their engine. It was over 70% of the revenue for Google came from you know, xxx or like teen porn, like crazy stuff. Where you're like, this company's logo or motto is I will do no evil, and yet they're the largest purveyor and search engine for pornography that exists, right, wow, and I could go down so many rabbit holes on that. But the people who really learned how to scale and grow networks and scale and grow server infrastructure literally came out of the porn companies, because that was the vast majority of the traffic for the first 15, 20 years of the internet's existence.

Speaker 2: 27:20

So big companies like Amazon Web Services, which is a big hosting provider Most people. When I say Amazon, I have to define my terms. I'm not speaking about Amazon, the e-commerce store. I'm talking about Amazon Web Services, which is a multi-billion dollar hosting service provider, cloud services provider the majority, in fact, they have the majority market share. If you go to a website right now, it is likely hosted on AWS. There's only a handful of these big, massive cloud hosting service providers. So when I talk about Amazon Web Services or Amazon, that's what I'm referring to as Amazon Web Services. So I don't know how I got on this tangent, but I'm talking about Well just a historical timeline, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Yeah, so from the early days, our government, these agencies and corporations have realized that data is powerful. And how do we get data going to and from? And it's been controlled and owned and operated by individuals who are not you know, maybe they were Christian people who just were doing their job Right and they didn't ask too many questions to really understand what was going on. You know, I was among those people in my early days when I didn't really understand how the industry worked and operated. But I like to ask questions. I want to know why. I want to know how I want to follow the money which pissed off a lot of my bosses and my boss's bosses, which is why, when I went into corporate America, I put my head down. I made a ton of money for a handful of years and then I went to my wife and said, honey, it's time for me to go back to being an entrepreneur. Um, you know, I've gained 45 pounds. I hate my job. All I'm doing is playing the chess match of the conversations I need to have with these people that I don't enjoy working with every single night. I'm not sleeping well, my health is deteriorating and she said fine, go do it. So anyway.

Speaker 2: 29:18

So the timeline, with data being the new oil, you have to put that into the context of every decision that they're making is how do we collect more data, how do we get more information for people and how do we do it in such a way that people will willingly give us their information and their data? And the perfect example of this is Facebook, and you can search this, google this. You're the head of the CIA being interviewed by Congress, and this was shortly after Facebook came out and was part of one of the data-related panels that was going on in DC at the time. And he was laughing, basically saying that we at the CIA, we were about to launch our own program that was going to be effectively spying on the American public and aggregating all this data about Americans into a large database. And laughingly and jokingly, he said and we just stopped that program when Facebook came out because people were providing more information willingly than we were even going to be aggregating and collecting ourselves into a public platform, right?

Speaker 2: 30:33

So with that understanding, it's no wonder we have these companies that have arrangements with our government agencies and I can go into this in detail whereby they provide open access, open API access, to all of this information. Our governments are actually paying these companies to have that type of access. It's not just our government, it's other governments that they get these contracts from. China, for example, has huge contracts with Microsoft and Amazon and Apple and Google and all these companies, and part of those contracts is that they get access to all this data. So if I'm a global corporation, of course I'm going to give access to whoever, because my job is to make as much money in profit as possible and for my shareholders right to increase shareholder value. So this has been going on for a very long time. They have spent literally trillions of dollars hiring some of the smartest people on the planet to figure out how do we make these things so addictive that they never put them down right.

Speaker 1: 31:49

Phones, in particular for the listener he's talking about.

Speaker 2: 31:51

Right, there's no, these phones, your mobile phones. There's no need for us to microchip people these days, because you're carrying around the advanced micro, the most advanced microchip possible, in your pocket or on your person all day, every day. So why? Why am I even going to need that Right and force people to embed that in their body? If you're carrying this thing around, you're carrying around one of the most advanced computers available ever in your pocket all day, every day. So, when you look at the money that's gone into this, you look at the intelligence of the people involved and you start to interview them, and there's tons of documentaries that have come out where you have the head developers and head engineers that have worked at Instagram, that have worked at Google, that have worked at Facebook. Look at these companies and you ask them hey, do you give your kids smartphones or tablets? They say, hell, no, there's no way. I'm going to let my kids near these things. Well, why? Because they're designed to enslave them, to dumb them down, to keep them focused on things that are not going to be healthy for them and educate them and grow them as humans. They're designed to dumb you down. So we've been sold, though, that these are the coolest new things and you need the new new thing, the new iPhone 18 or whatever the hell. It is now, um, that just came out, you know, versus the one a year ago, because it's got the new chip and the new camera.

Speaker 2: 33:18

For me, the dumbing down of our population who and I think it's a curse that's been put upon us, this convenience mindset we want everything new, we want everything simple, I don't want to have to think about it, I don't want to have to learn how it works, I just want it right, I want it now, I want it delivered to my door, I just want to click some buttons is really been a detriment to our species and to America population in a low frequency state of being not asking hard questions, not really understanding how things operate but work, then they're more susceptible to influence, to being influenced and that's been going on for a very long time again by very smart people who have invested a stupid amount of money into this.

Speaker 2: 34:09

So part of me says, like I get super aggravated with people who just like, oh well, why can't this be so simple? And so like, click, click, click easy, like you know, like iPhone and Apple products, you know, I just once it's there, then I'll make the transition and the switch. But then I have to understand, like I understand, why people are that way, because they've been brainwashed for so long and they've been living in this mindset. But I truly believe we, you know, the wheat is being separated from the chafe right now and that people are being forced to learn how to do the hard things. We have to get comfortable being uncomfortable. So I try. You know I lose my patience almost daily with some of the people I talk to. As I'm sure you know, my plight right now on the it side is literally no different than yours.

Speaker 1: 34:57

Yeah, dealing with the stuff that you're doing in the health world.

Speaker 2: 35:00

It is literally almost a one-to-one paradigm shift or paradigm parallel. Right yeah, because we're trying to educate people, we're trying to train people to take this stuff seriously, because it is influencing and affecting them and people just want the bandaid. They don't want to go to the core root of the problem, they just want the simple, easy bandaid.

Speaker 1: 35:19

No, it's my. I'm joking. I think I told you we're kind of both locust eating prophets in the wilderness. Sometimes we're the people who I have like I can teach you how to heal, but I can't give it to you in a brown bottle with a white cap or a supplement, or there isn't an easy button that actually plugged into anything. There can be simple, but that's different from easy and there's work to be done. It's like oh, I got to actually go to bed on time. I'm really going to have to work out, I'm going to have to change how I eat, I'm going to have to drink more water and I can't fight the biological laws of physics. No, you get healthy. This is the only way to do it and it's going to require you to become a better person and to think differently and make tradeoffs and sacrifices and have learning curves and most people that it's hard to sell that because like, anyway, that's great. Is there something I can swallow that would fix this?

Speaker 2: 36:03

how do I still safely use my iPhone and use my Facebook app and how do I still safely, you know, share all my information on these different applications? And I'm like, okay, how do I eat the Oreo, the double stuffed Oreo, chew the Oreo, taste the Oreo, swallow the Oreo and then not have the bad effects of the Oreo? Right, I'm like that's what you're asking me, right, like that's the parallel, right, I still want to do all the bad things. I still want to throw all of my information at these companies that are using it against me.

Speaker 2: 36:44

But, I don't want to have the adverse bad effects of those things and I don't want to change a damn thing, right, yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:49

No, it's hard, but I think there's a. Just hearing us have this conversation, I hope, can kind of be that sobering. I really do have to face this, and one thing that was helpful for me is recognizing to your point. We are now participating, through these devices, in the most advanced mind control software and systems that have ever been developed that know us better than we do, that know our habits and their ability to influence us. And it's not just hey, cool, they can give me better ads.

Speaker 1: 37:16

What's really happening is it's theft. They're stealing not just our data, but they're stealing our life force. They're stealing our attention and thus they're stealing our mental, emotional, physical and spiritual energy, and there's less of it left over to go to other things. Because we have this itch of this, I have a moment. I need to pull up my phone and have my screen stimulate me, and once you see the trance and you recognize that there's this Pavlovian response we have to our devices, it kind of can start to glitch a little bit like maybe I don't make that choice, and what would it look like to not, and how would I use my time and how do I communicate? There's so many trails that we have to go down, but it's first being willing to sit in the uncomfortable and face that or recognize that at some point I'm going to have to get off this free cocaine and do something different in order to live a life more in line with what I value and not just be a commodity on somebody else's balance sheet balance sheet.

Speaker 2: 38:10

I mean, you hit one of the key things, which is we have to acknowledge, have to. First step of addiction is acknowledging that you're addicted, right. My name is Sean and I'm an addict, right, and I still have to. I wish I didn't have to use technology at all. I wish I wasn't doing. I literally prayed to God every day. I'm like God. Why do you still have me doing what I'm doing? Because it's not anywhere near as lucrative as it was for me financially and it's driving me crazy dealing with customers every day who just want the easy button always and just don't understand that they have to do the hard things. You know, it's been a blessing in so many other ways as well, but it's hard, right, it's difficult and I'm like I just wish I could go back to the addiction, but I can't. We have to acknowledge that we're addicts. That's the first step. I'm a, I have, I'm an addict, I have a problem, right. Then you have to put the plan in place and surround yourself with other people who can help you through that process, and that's where you know our, my business comes in and a handful of other companies that are out there right now is we're building these communities of people.

Speaker 2: 39:22

Because this is a journey, right, you don't just buy, for example. You don't just buy a raised bed and some seeds and then I'm a gardener right, I can feed my whole family. That's not how it works. It's a step-by-step process. It's a journey. How it works it's a step-by-step process. It's a journey. It may take you years, right, to become proficient and advanced and knowing how to do these things and do them really well, um, and you may not have the full capabilities for my money perspective or even an intellectual capacity perspective to fully understand this stuff and fully optimize it, um, but you have to understand. It's like you don't just walk into a karate studio and say I've got an hour, make me a black belt. That's not how it works with health. You don't just have one hour long session with Christian, even though you're amazing at what you do, and you walk away and you're like I'm going to lose all kinds of weight and I'm going to be perfect, I'll be fine.

Speaker 1: 40:13

I paid the money, so I'm sure that's going to happen now. Like no, yeah, but there's work to do after that. Like yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:18

So, you.

Speaker 1: 40:19

You probably know we did that program, the sovereignty project, which was a year long attempt to systematically disentangle from six different major areas of where we are consolidated into a little eat this and think that, and use these, this monetary system, and use this technology and so on. And and I've probably only implemented half of what I learned, because, to your point, it is a journey there are so many different things that once you start pulling on the one aspect of the web, you realize it reverberates through the whole thing and it just there's a patience for it. And once you kind of metabolize that, oh, this is a process, to your point, and let me just I don't have to eat the whole elephant in one bite Let me take one step up this staircase and then the next step will illuminate itself, or the problem I didn't know I was going to run into becomes obvious. And you kind of give yourself permission to not know everything or permission to be inconvenienced, permission to quote unquote, fail at something as you work at it. But there's a piece I think both of us have that comes over us when we can rest our head on the pillow at night and say at least I'm trying, I'm doing my part, I'm willing to lean into hard things.

Speaker 1: 41:22

I don't expect it to be fast, but, yes, the entrepreneur rollercoaster is a butt kicker, but I wouldn't have it any other way. There's there's. It's liberating to be able to say you know what. I'm doing less business with criminals, I am less controlled by their tech, I am less under their surveillance and I was on a coaching call with a coaching program. I'm in yesterday and one of my peers said he just had his Stripe account closed and lost three months of revenue. No recourse, nothing he can do about it. And it's like come after us if you can. And he said you guys have been warned like this stuff's coming and they're going to keep doing this because so far we let them get away with it and we don't have alternatives. And at some point we have to own that and say better a year early than a day late.

Speaker 2: 42:07

Yeah, and this is literally the bane of my existence, where I, I, I know I mean this happens almost daily and weekly, where you hear stories of companies that are being deplatformed, demonetized, whatever. And this is like I just live in, this constant state of I told you so and it drives me insane. It's no different than like once you read the ingredients in the food that you're eating and you understand what those chemicals are and preservatives are. You can't unknow that, right? You can't just eat that Dorito again and not know what you just put into your body. You can't take that blue pill and just be like, well, I'm aware of it, I don't care, it doesn't matter anymore, I'm just going to, you know, hedonistically, enjoy my life anyway, right? Or you have to say, okay, I can't do this anymore, I need to find an alternative. I need to find something else that can accomplish this without killing me. So, for those companies who are still using services that are going to de-platform them at some point once they hit a certain scale and aren't prepping and don't have a redundancy in place or some a backup in place, um, I have.

Speaker 2: 43:16

I try to have as much empathy as I can with these folks. It's just really freaking hard because I'm like, how did you not see this coming? You literally have the bullet coming at you and you're like, eh, it hasn't hit me yet, so I'm not going to take it seriously. That's, it's the paradigm I leave and it's it's frustrating as all heck. And I can tell you honestly, if it wasn't for me reaching the knowledge that I gained at a very early on, I could talk about 9-11. 9-11 for me was so clearly an inside job. From the second I saw what was going on, called the demolition, was called an even bigger conspiracy theorist after that. But I got crazy, depressed, man. Yeah, I was like how am I the only one that sees this at my whole university and school? How am I the only one that's asking these questions? Why am?

Speaker 2: 44:04

I the crazy one when this is obvious, what's going on building seven, how we only have like three freeze frame photos of what hit the Pentagon, when it's the Pentagon, when they picked up a passport on the street and they had it on the TV screens and saying the FBI found this passport from one of the hijackers of the airplane and there were like fire fringe parts on it, you saw what apparently hit these buildings and you want us to believe that you found a passport was. Who's believing this stuff, right?

Speaker 2: 44:38

and I'm what is wrong with you people? And they're like you're the crazy one.

Speaker 2: 44:42

I'm like, oh my god yeah lord if the world is run by criminals and gangsters who can pull this off right and mind control everybody to believe that we need to go fight the baddies overseas right? Because of this and the patriot act. I read the patriot act at age 21. I was one of the few people that read the whole freaking thing and I was sounding. I was like read this thing. This is horrible. This is going to take away all of our sovereignty and our rights. Violations of fourth amendment, first amendment, all over the board. This is simply giving them carte blanche to do what I know they're already doing, but now they can get away with it legally, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:22

And everyone thought I was crazy. And I'm like Lord, I don't. I don't think I can do this anymore. I want to save souls, I want to change the world, but nobody is taking any of this stuff seriously. What's the flipping point? And I was seriously considering offing myself at that point, honest to God, I was in tears, super depressed, and I was like I don't know if I can do this anymore. And I was 20, 21 years old, right? Finally, the Lord spoke to me and said Sean, your job at this point, at 21 years old, is not to save the world, man, your job is just to become the best soldier you possibly can be and learn how to have conversations with people and empathize with them and learn from them to such a degree that you can then start to plant seeds, and just plant seeds. That's your only job right now. And yes, the world is evil, but this world is a test. That's all it is, sean. It's a test.

Speaker 2: 46:18

And I think listeners need to understand this. With as horrible as the stuff is out there, it's, I think, designed to be that way, because if I'm a king and I want to know that I have loyal subjects, if everything is honky-donky, happy-go-lucky all the time, then of course people are going to be like, oh, we love the king because everything's awesome, right. It's not until times get hard and your back is up against the wall and you're near choked out, about to die, that you have to realize, oh my gosh, this stuff is real right who are?

Speaker 2: 46:53

you going to turn to? Who are you going to trust, right? Do you put your trust in the king and your Lord and Lords, lord of Lords, who raises the dead and moves mountains? Or do you put your trust in yourself? Do you put trust in the dollar? Like, where are you putting that faith and that trust?

Speaker 2: 47:08

So, for me, I'm constantly having to remind myself yes, this stuff is hard, it's designed to be that way. I use it to refine myself and make myself stronger and better at who I am and what I do. Because, at the end of the day, I do not want to have a conversation where I sit down with God on my deathbed and he's like hey, bro, I told you exactly what to do. I made it very clear with the Ten Commandments, with scripture, with the tenets of your faith. I made it very clear exactly what I wanted you to do, and I also made it very clear, from an occupational perspective, what I needed you to do. I made it very clear to you.

Speaker 2: 47:49

And why didn't you do that again? Why did you not follow these things? Because, why? Because you were afraid, right, because you didn't have the fortitude to do it. Hmm, when you have me on your team, when you literally have the person who raises the dead and created all this, like I am infinity, you have me on your team and you have excuses for me right now, like that's not the conversation I want to have with.

Speaker 2: 48:16

God. I want to come to God and say I put it all on the battlefield. Yes, I was sinful, yes, I was not perfect, but I put it out there on the vast majority of the time. You know, I'm in your hands, lord, and I want, I need him to say to me, I want him to say to me well done, my good and faithful servant. That's all I want, that's all I'm striving for, and I don't think I could get there, knowing my sinful nature, unless I had to go through some BS and some hard times. I just don't think humans are designed to do that.

Speaker 1: 48:48

Yeah, well, the crucible is what forges character, and it's not fun and nobody really wants to sign up for it, but it is where we're tested and where our resilience becomes unflappable. And yeah, for those of you who this sounds like because both of us can relate to that particular sentiment of like, I am not going to mail it in and just say like, yeah, I was, that was a lot and I just decided to go play nintendo and and try to, you know, not face it and pretend hope it'll go play Nintendo and and try to, you know, not face it and pretend hope it'll go away. Neither of us are able to do that and if that sounds like a push or a nudge to some of you, just appreciate that it that that urge is there and it's between you and God what you do with it. But you, at the end of this, you want to be able to say you know what I did leave it all in the field. I wasn't perfect, but I did what I could.

Speaker 1: 49:33

And I guess one thing I want to say to you, sean, as somebody who it took me longer to wake up to I didn't see 9-11 for what it was until after COVID hit, and then I was like, oh my gosh, this is a lot bigger than I thought.

Speaker 1: 49:44

So I guess I'm preemptively or post story saying sorry on behalf of a lot of us who thought you were crazy for a long time and we are slow to the party, we're late to get here, but we there's more soldiers at your back now and we do appreciate that you carried the torch for that long and that, for those of you who still think the official story of nine 11 is what it was, just look up building seven and see if you can make sense of that and get back to us.

Speaker 1: 50:10

But there's, there's an evil cartel that has their own agendas and we are pawns in their little game and we're not in their club. And once that clicks and we can start to look at reality a little more accurately. So a couple of other things I want to ask you about, sean, that are somewhat relevant on the, I guess, more current events timeline. One is TikTok and the other is AI. So tell us a little bit about the attempts to get TikTok out of the picture and what you see happening there, so people can understand what's actually going on.

Speaker 2: 50:38

Yeah, I think the primary. I mean when you. So how do I frame this? When you realize that who really controls Congress, right, and DC are the intelligence agencies, and who really controls the intelligence agencies? You have to unravel that. You just spoke about it it's the intelligence agencies. And who really controls the intelligence agencies? You have to unravel that. You just spoke about it it's the cartel. It's this global cartel of people who are not aligned with their values. They're looking for a depopulation agenda. They want an annihilation of nations, annihilation of borders, just a one world order United Nations, one world government, one world, everything. When you realize that, you have to understand that our Congress is really a puppet and a tool of that agenda.

Speaker 2: 51:21

So when they start going after TikTok and pass legislation that happened overnight, it was like within a week, stuff came onto the floor and they voted on it. People say, oh, it takes years for a bill to get passed in DC. Well, no, not. When you have the right friends and the right money involved, it can actually go very quickly. So with TikTok, specifically like, why did we not have a Instagram or a Facebook or any of these other bills? Right, it's because who controls the data of TikTok. Why do they want to basically make TikTok a entity that's monitored and controlled by the United States? For national security reasons, right? Well, it's because the United States information cartel didn't have direct access and control over the data and over the narrative and over the information that was being shared through TikTok. So there's that piece of it, because there's two big components to this. So they want to basically gain control over that platform. They did not have control over that platform and the data on that platform.

Speaker 2: 52:29

The other key piece is that very much so, just like with the central bank digital currencies that I think your listeners are probably aware of, there's a big push for what's called a digital ID, which goes part and parcel with the CBDC, and see more and more of legislation that's being passed for our best interests to protect people online, right? Such that you can't go online without verifying your identity. So they want to remove any concept of anonymity online. Tie that digital ID to your profile, of which they have all this other information, so that it becomes even simpler and easier to roll out a social credit system which is then also tied to your central bank digital ID and digital credit score. This is not like conspiracy stuff.

Speaker 2: 53:30

I mean, I literally have been screaming this stuff since back in the early 2000s because they've been saying this. If you just read, now they're overtly in meetings like you just look at the World Economic Forum and Karl Schwab and look at what the United Nations has been saying. Look at all these big organizations. They are now unapologetically telling us that that is exactly what they're pushing for, that it's in our best interests, and this is literally stuff that I've been trying to get people to wake up to for a very, very long time and been told I've been crazy. And now it's like literally playing out right in front of us. So that's my thoughts on TikTok that they're pushing for digital ID and that they don't have control and access to the data and the narrative, which is why they need to legislate that.

Speaker 1: 54:16

And one point I'll make on TikTok is the pretext is that it's owned by China and that China is doing nefarious things to infiltrate. And if you actually go look at who owns TikTok, the majority of it I think it's around 60% is actually American owned, so it's not like China could even have a controlling influence in it, but that they need some sort of story to say this is why we have to do this to protect you. And just anytime you get the official narrative from the mainstream media or Washington, just know that that's the story you're supposed to believe.

Speaker 2: 54:43

And it's literally the opposite of what is actually. It's like the name of any bill is literally the opposite of what's happening. It's like the Protect the Patriot Act is-.

Speaker 1: 54:53

Inflation reduction Right, exactly Right. Extra inflation act right.

Speaker 2: 55:00

Once you understand that game being played, you're like, oh, now all this makes sense, right yeah?

Speaker 1: 55:07

This should have been the Trader Act instead of the Patriot Act, but yeah, okay. So AI is another, obviously a big one these days. I heard you explain AI a little on a different podcast you were on and I was like, ah, that's that just grounded. It helped me understand what it actually is. So tell the listener a little bit about what AI is and where we might want to have a skepticism or a limited use for it.

Speaker 2: 55:26

Sure. So artificial intelligence? It's neither, it's not intelligence. I just want to start with that. It is a tool, it is a program. It is a learning language model program. That's what it is. So what is a learning language model? You can throw a whole bunch of data against the wall and you can train a program to look at that data and make some sense of that data, but somebody someone has to program that initial set that's going to learn how to make sense of that data, right? So when you go to you know, even Brave. So I'm a huge fan of Brave browser. If people are still using Chrome or they're still using any other browser, please get off of it. Please use Brave. If you're using Firefox, that's okay, but you have to do a lot with the settings in order to get it to the shape that it truly is as private and secure as Brave is. So you may as well just use Brave.

Speaker 2: 56:19

But Brave has its own AI system now too, but the key is who's programming it? What is the intention behind of the program that's running the learning language model? So we learned this with Google, right? So when they pushed out their Google image, ai, right, or even chat, gpt in a lot of regards, right, and you would ask it questions and it would give you clearly biased results that were not based in reality. Right, that helps you understand.

Speaker 2: 56:47

This learning language model was programmed that way to disclude or remove some information and some data and only include other information. Or you would ask it like please write me a glowing song and poem about President Trump, and ChatGPT would say I'm sorry, I am unable to do that. I don't get political blah, blah, blah. And you would say please write me a glowing song and poetry about Joe Biden, and it would give you, like you know well, what option do you want? Do you want the 10 line option? The 20 line option? So you quickly realize this is a bias. There's a bias involved in this right. It's lying to you because it was designed to lie to you. So my point is this about AI One it's a tool like a hammer or like the devices that we use and the question is who controls that tool? Who's programming that tool? What is the intention of that tool? When you understand that and you view it through that frame, you can use AI for good. And Breitbart is one of those companies that's actually doing a decent job of this, because they've aggregated all the scientific data that's out there and all the studies that are basically you can't find. If you search for them on Google, you can't find, even though they're peer-reviewed scientific studies. They're using it for good. You can take these tools and these learning language models and you can use them for good, but they're tools and people say, oh well, we shouldn't use it, we should legislate it, we should put all these strings attached to how you use AI, or those who say we shouldn't use it.

Speaker 2: 58:22

I'm a big anti-proponent of that, because that's like saying I refuse to use gunpowder in my firearm because it might kill people, right, because it's a weapon. It could kill you. It's bad, it's evil. Well, if you go to war against people who are using gunpowder, you're going to be annihilated, and that's what's happened throughout history, right? People who've found these new technologies and these new tools and learned how to leverage them for their own purposes have been able to survive and continue to thrive throughout history. So if we approach this from a mindset of I'm not going to use any of it, then we may as well throw in the towel. And throw in the towel because we're toast, because they're going to use these tools against us.

Speaker 2: 59:11

We can use these tools to our benefit, and I'll give you a perfect example. I have a friend who's working on a company right now and, upon realizing that the vast majority of accounts online are bots right, literally, robots programs that are fake, fake image, fake profile, generating fake content, using these learning language models to try to convince people that there's more followers on certain accounts or that a certain narrative has more push behind it, or to even inject just crazy stuff into certain conversations that people write it off and don't take it seriously. This psychological warfare that's going on and the sci-op warfare that's going on has been insane over the last 10, 15 years, and I could go down that rabbit hole of data centers I've been to even 15 years ago, that were full of these types of devices, each one with its own profile on one of the social networks, whether it was um, what was the first one that came out before Facebook. Yeah, it was mostly musicians and whatnot, but anyway, even back then they were doing this. They had fake profiles, fake accounts. You can make artists look way bigger than they actually were and people are like, oh, they already have a million followers, they must be famous, right? That tech has been around for a long time.

Speaker 2: 1:00:31

So, with that understanding, we can use that tech to our benefit. And what that means is this if I'm pro-life and I want to push a pro-life message online, but I don't want to be online all the time, I can take my account and I can say I'm going to give my account access to this organization and when there is a certain significant conversation going on about pro-life issues, I want to be able to chime in and put my perspective. So what this learning language model can do is it can scan through your posts, learn your how you talk right, so that when you push a post out, it will be in language that will sound like it really came from you, right, and be pro life, right In the pro-life, right In the message, and you'll get an email or notification that says this conversation is happening. Here's the message that we want to send on your behalf, basically through your account, into this conversation so that we can flood those conversations with real people having real opinions about these topics. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 1:01:34

Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1: 1:01:36

I heard you on a different show talking about the idea of because it's bad, we need to exit and not touch it at all, and I liked your frame that these different environments your TikTok, your Facebook, your YouTube they're battlefields and if we go into it with that mindset that, oh, this is the war part of what we're doing and we are here to save lives and win souls and and help extract people from that and and show them the truth and maybe I think my case try to put them in a protected ecosystem where we can have conversations and not have creepy bots and and infiltrators and gutter snipes and that sort of thing.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

There is a place for engaging in it, almost an omissional aspect. Whether you come from a Christian perspective or not. We're trying to help people see reality and understand that they are being stolen from that, they are being lied to and that the reality that they think they're seeing on these platforms is not real. And I loved your analogy of our enemy has our comms, they have our, they have listening ears and everything we touch. So I'd love you to weigh in on anything I just said or pivot to that comms analogy, because it's brilliant, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:42

So there's two pieces there and I'm going to hit on what you were first talking about. So the battlefields, tiktok, facebook, instagram. If you're simply there consuming content, then you're the product and that's a problem. You need to stop doing it. You need to stop using that platform for that purpose. People say, oh well, how am I going to keep up with my grandkids? Or how am I going to blah, blah, blah? How did you do it 15 years ago? How did you do it before any of these platforms existed?

Speaker 2: 1:03:14

I mean, I love my wife for so many reasons, but one of the things that I really admire about her is her devices are tools that serve her. People get pissed at her all the time. I called you. I tried calling you, you didn't pick up. You didn't pick up. Why didn't you call me back?

Speaker 2: 1:03:30

She leaves her phone. Wherever she leaves it, she forgets where it is all the time. Anyway, she does her thing throughout the day. She doesn't bring it when she goes out places. She just doesn't. Because when she wants to pick this thing up and she wants to see who called her, she can. When she wants to see who texted her, she can.

Speaker 2: 1:03:49

She's not a slave to the device. She uses it when she wants to, which is exactly what we did 15, 20 years ago when we had phones and answering machines that were tied to the wall, right, that's how it existed. You wanted to talk to somebody, you called them, or you went and just stopped by their house. You didn't know if they were home or not. You had no idea, right? You would just stop by, maybe leave a note, write a letter, right? All these things that we would used to do. So this convenience mindset and people think we're so much more productive as a species because we have all this technology going on. I would venture to say that we're not. In fact, we're less productive because we're wasting so much freaking time doing mindless BS, scrolling on mindless crap.

Speaker 2: 1:04:34

So, going back to what I was saying, if you're in these platforms, you need to be preaching the word, you need to be trying to save souls. That's me, coming from my Christian perspective. You need to be trying to wake people up to what's going on in the world, not engaging in debates with people on these platforms, because, like I said before, the majority of the time people have to understand who you're debating with is probably not even a real person. These technology companies learned that if they can trigger you and they know how to trigger you because they have all this data and all this information about you and, through the learning language models, they know exactly what keywords they can type and say that will trigger you to stay on the platform longer, being pissed off, trying to have a conversation and an argument with someone which no one has ever changed their opinion about probably anything ever in the history of social media through those types of online debates, right? So you have to understand.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

Your mission in there is to try to bring people out of those environments, get them away from those environments, and if it's not that, if you're using it as a consumer, then you're the product and that is a problem. You need to raise your hand. I'm an addict. This is a problem. Well, how am I going to see the pictures of my grandkids? It's the only medium through which my daughter will blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:52

Well, if your daughter truly cares about you and she wants you to see these pictures, she'll text them to you, or she'll use a different messaging app that she can send those to, or you can maybe go visit them, or you can find another way to do it. You don't have to use that medium and maybe by you making that switch and you raise that question in your daughter's mind, which is, wow, mom's really taking this seriously. She's crazy, right? She's probably crazy, but the more you start talking to them about it and you engage them on the conversation, they may eventually wake up to wow, mom was actually right. I should probably stop putting all these photos of my kids up on these platforms, right? So that's one piece.

Speaker 1: 1:06:30

Yeah Well, you can't serve two masters is essentially what you're saying. We're going to be a slave to that and give it our attention and we're going to say no, I defy you to take and steal my attention and I want to put it on things that matter and I have to be the one that takes initiative and thought to figure out how to do that without their quote unquote service. Right, and it's hard. It is hard.

Speaker 2: 1:06:51

It's going to take a change in your lifestyle habits, Right, it's not going to be easy. It's not easy. It's just going to the fast food place and grabbing a quick burger. You're going to have to maybe grow some of your own food and learn how to do that, and that's not easy. Right, You're going to get pushback. People are going to call you crazy. But honest to God, Christian, when I talk to people it's no longer oh hey, how's your day going? Jokingly but seriously, with my friends who are on the front lines.

Speaker 1: 1:07:23

Now we say how's your persecution going?

Speaker 2: 1:07:24

Because if you're not being persecuted right now in some way, shape or form, I'm sorry to say you're probably not doing something right In the times that we're in right now. You're probably not doing something right right In the times that we're in right now. You're probably not doing something right If your life is just totally perfect and everybody's super happy and loves everything that you're talking about and doing right. I look to the lives of the saints and I look to the gospels and I look at history and the prophets. None of them were treated extremely well. In fact, many were martyred and killed and massacred right so I'm not hoping for that, I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

I mean, if that happens, then I know I've done my job extremely well. Then I know god's gonna be like hey bro, nice job, right? Yeah, I don't desire that but, if that happens, I know that I've been.

Speaker 2: 1:08:10

So be it, it is what it is. I'm in the fight, right, um. So that's a key thing. But let's go back to one of the other key points here. If I gave you a firearm, christian, to go fight in the battle, and I told you that there was a GPS tracking device on it, there was a camera and there was a microphone on it, you'd be like, oh sweet, that's cool. And if I said, but, by the way, all of that data is being fed to the enemy that you're about to go fight, would you use that firearm in that battle? No, no, of course not. No one in their right mind would do that. And yet that is exactly what we are doing right now, when you realize that these phones and these laptops that we use all day, every day, they're weapons, they're designed to be psychological warfare weapons, and yet they're controlled and owned by the Google, the Apple, the Microsoft, the Amazon I could go on and on these companies that literally are the enemy.

Speaker 2: 1:09:06

So the other key point here is in warfare, comms are absolutely critical. If the enemy has access to your comms, you're done for right. But the other key thing is this If I have access and control over the enemy's comms. Do I let them know that or do I keep that secret? I keep it secret, right? Why would I let the enemy know that I would let them to continue to use their comms? And that's the paradigm that we live in. This is war and our enemy is treating it as war and they are winning, and have been winning, this war on many levels, because they have full reign access to our comms, to all of our data. So when you start to realize that that if I control the operating system of your device, I control the device, it means I don't care if you're using a private messenger app. You could be using ProtonMail, you could be using Signal, you could be using ProtonMail, you could be using Signal, you could be using Telegram, all these encrypted messaging apps. But if I control your device, I see what you see, I hear what you hear. So it renders that encryption pointless and useless. Right, but most people don't have any understanding other than every single event I go to and I've traveled this whole country and I've trained thousands of people.

Speaker 2: 1:10:27

At this point, on this very topic, how many and I asked the room how many of you have had a conversation about something and then you've seen an advertisement for that thing within 24, 48 hours. Literally a hundred percent of the people raise their hand, but the few exceptions are the people that have already made the switch off of these Apple and Google and Microsoft devices. Every single person, everybody, wants to tell me their story about. Oh, just the other day I was talking about buying a boat and then I saw boats that were selling my house and then it was a real estate company or whatever. Everyone has it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:58

Some people get stuff in the mail too, within 24, 48 hours of them talking about random thing, right, and very specific thing, like I want a Labradoodle and then all of a sudden you get ads for Labradoodles, right. Yeah, this is a real thing. Everybody has a story. So we know these devices are listening to us and tracking and storing all this information. So not only are these companies monetizing that information, because that's been sold so Google has said anyone who uses the term Labradoodle right, that has a certain dollar value, that is being sold in the open market, but it's being used by people who want to manipulate and control us and the narratives that are going on around us as well, right?

Speaker 1: 1:11:41

Well, it's bigger than that. It's not just the narratives, it's the ability to figure out when a conversation is building and where people are gathering and getting organized and they can just oh, they can preemptively see that data cloud coming together and say, oh, let's just take Parler out, because we can't have that conversation going on. And, to your point, the kill switches are everywhere. So it's not just the labradoodle, it's the human energy getting organized and building anything grassroots is still at risk if we do not understand that. This is how that system was designed to work to preemptively find us when we're trying to push back. And the stupidity of giving them our comms while we're trying to win the war just makes even more sense. Like that is a problem we're going to need to solve if we truly hope to make an impact here.

Speaker 2: 1:12:28

Yeah, and that's, in part, what drives me every day is when I see generals who are on the front lines of this war, who are still using iPhones, who are still using their Google Android device, they're still using Microsoft Teams, they're still using Zoom, they're still using all of these platforms and applications and operating systems that are literally owned and controlled by companies that are trying to destroy us, and it's you know, the money that they make off of us through all of this. Not only is it being used against us, but the money we give them and that they generate from all this data. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:12:59

To the tune of five companies. Five big tech companies make over a trillion dollars a year, which is more than almost every country. It's mind boggling, right, yeah, and they spend tens of billions of dollars on candidates, on causes, on DEI initiatives, on hiring practices, on all kinds of stuff that is literally designed to keep us in this 1984 brave new world slave system, right. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:13:32

So, again, this is like once you read the ingredients on the food and you understand what it's doing to yourself. You have to make that choice. Am I going to continue to eat this garbage and use this stuff that's killing me, or am I going to start the process of making a change? And it's a journey again. So that's why, on my website, for example, you can sign up right now. On the very top right it says free consult. You can spend 15, 30 minutes with me.

Speaker 2: 1:14:00

I will have a conversation about you, try to figure out where you're at in your life right now, so that we can start to walk you through that journey. Here's your options, here's the process Get you started on that journey and on that process. But you have to make that decision. You have to say okay. I know there's a million things I need to be doing in my life right now to include eating healthier, working out, thinking better thoughts you know, having happier thoughts to manifest throughout the rest of my body eat, drinking more water. But one of those things has to be the technology that we use, because these devices have started to control us and have for a long time. That has to be a priority. It has to Cool.

Speaker 1: 1:14:39

Well, I'm going to give you a kind of a quick hit list of. I imagine listeners are like tell me what else to like. They're interested in pivoting in some way. So just maybe quick responses of almost find and replaced of you mentioned zoom, you mentioned microsoft office, etc. Etc. So what if you have a, an alternate for, let's say, zoom? What's your go-to?

Speaker 2: 1:15:00

uh, so there's a company called meetin m-e-E-T-N dot com. That's an option. Meaton is a Zoom replacement. My business has been using it for about a year and a half now. It's gotten really good. It can literally do everything that Zoom can do. The ownership over there are diehard libertarians. They will fight to the death to defend our constitutional rights, so Meaton is a Zoom alternative.

Speaker 2: 1:15:22

By the way, I have an article on my site. If you go to the resources page, it's the very top articles. It's Boycott, big Tech Resources and Alternatives. It lists all of this for your email, your VPN, your browser. All of it is right there Fantastic Key ones. Brave Talk is another one. Not many people know, but you can use bravecom forward slash talk. That is also a a conference call feature. It's actually free for up to four people. Um, that's an option. There's all kinds of fun options If you want to start to manage and host your own stuff. Um, so you can create up your own private comms. You can create your own private um video conferencing service. It takes someone to set it up and then manage it, but all that stuff is also available. You can learn that as well through our website.

Speaker 1: 1:16:11

Give people your website.

Speaker 2: 1:16:13

It's markmark37.com Mark37.com and that's scriptural, by the way. We can get into that, maybe later, but mark37.com, right. Okay, but one of the first key steps and let me I just want to make sure that I hit this point, like before you talked at me or any other geek about, like, what the journey needs to look like you need to do an audit of your own personal digital life, right? So I don't. You don't go into the gardening store and they say, well, uh, and say I want to raise bed. They're going to ask you, well, how much space do you have? Do you have a really small backyard? You only have a patio to work with. How big is that patio? Like, what are the dynamics, what are the variables that we're playing with?

Speaker 2: 1:16:55

So you have to audit your own digital life first. What are the devices that I'm using? What are the applications that I'm dependent on? Do I have the username and passwords for those applications? That alone stumps. Like 90% of people, they don't even know the usernames and passwords for the things that they are literally dependent on. If they got a new device and they had to re-log in, they'd be like I don't know, I have no idea, right, yeah, so you have to do this digital audit what are these devices and then look around, expand this. So I have an article that's just on this. It's three steps to digital privacy and freedom, and it walks you through this audit process. Go through your house what are the smart devices that I have around my house? Are you using an Amazon Alexa dot or a google dot or whatever the heck these things are called these days?

Speaker 2: 1:17:44

yeah, get that thing out of your house right it's not like how do I use this thing safely? No, don't use no safe way to get rid of it. Use it in target practice, sell it online. Get rid of the darn thing I like the target practice. I hadn't thought of that yeah, okay, smart tvs most smart tvs have a camera and a microphone on them, did you?

Speaker 1: 1:18:06

know that. Yeah, did they tell you have a?

Speaker 2: 1:18:10

smart tv in your bedroom, because you probably shouldn't keep that smart tv in your bedroom with a camera and a microphone on it. Um, so simple things like that, where first we have to take an audit of our digital. It's different than if I. I come to you Christian. I'm like hey, I want you to make my eating habits better. You're like well, what are your eating habits now? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:18:30

I can't tell you what to change to if I don't know what when you eat, what type of food you're eating. Now, you can't really help me unless I tell you what's going on in my life and what I'm working with. So that's the hard part, and I know you know this. In your world, people just want that silver bullet. They're like well, just tell me the thing I need to buy that'll make me safe and secure, and I'm like no, it's not that simple, and anyone who's trying to sell you that silver bullet, like, just take this pill or just drink this thing.

Speaker 2: 1:18:58

I promise you they're lying to you. I promise you they're lying to you. I promise you they're lying to you. It is not that simple. It is not that easy right.

Speaker 1: 1:19:05

Well, and that's what's been fun about our dialogue. I've been attempting to do my own digital disentangle and I'm having trouble in particular places finding the off ramp, like how do I continue to run a digital business without this and I the friction or being time poor from time to time makes it hard to do that, and so, for the listener, what we're gonna, we decided before we did this we're gonna do a second episode and sean's gonna open it in the amount of time here before we can get to that. But he's gonna help me find the solutions I haven't been able to find yet and we'll kind of come back and report as almost a debrief of here's what it was like walking through that. Here's where, where I got stuck and hopefully, for some of you guys, speed you up in that process. And I may not be able to help big businesses with my story, but individuals or small business there's so many options and this is not. I've watched his tech as I've used it. I'm like jeez, I didn't know these things existed and I'm eager and excited to do the work, to move into private ecosystems and then bring my friends with me so we can have off the record conversations and and not have labradoodle ads show up unprompted constantly. So so stay tuned for that.

Speaker 1: 1:20:12

But, sean, give us a little encouragement, or just give.

Speaker 1: 1:20:16

I like to think of myself as a systems level thinker and I hope to have a generational outlook with what we're doing. Level thinker, and I hope to have a generational outlook with what we're doing. So you and I may not, in our lifetime, fix and solve all this, but we can start to frame the problem and hand some of this off to our kids or other people that can do the work. So what is it that you think is going to take to impact this current system? How do we start to make a dent in it to where we really are creating too much sand in the gears and maybe even hit this tipping point where they say jump and we say no, and they say eat bugs and we say no, and they say use our money, and we're like no thanks and like what is it going to take for us to get to a place where we can start to have autonomy and sovereignty over our own ambitions and not be under this thumb of somebody who wants to control us and milk us for everything we're worth?

Speaker 2: 1:21:02

Yeah, I mean, it's a process, it's a journey. You have to surround yourself with the community, whether it's online or it's in person. Find a community of people who can help you through this, no matter whether it's your health or it's your IT or whatever it is. You need to find that community. That is so absolutely critical, so absolutely important. So the community is key and those communities are growing across the country. That's that's what I have found in my travels. I've been going all over this country. I've been in probably 15 states in the last year and a half alone doing these types of trainings. There are amazing communities that cover all kinds of different ground that have sparked up over the last couple of years. So you can find a community. You just have to do a little bit about a research and I'm sure if you need help finding one, you can reach out to me. Go to support S-U-P-P-O-R-T at mark37.com. Tell me where you're at. I'll try to point you at some communities that will be good and helpful. But community is key.

Speaker 2: 1:22:06

The technology is advancing as more and more people are using these tools. They get better and better and more and more people who work for these big tech companies, who are on the same page and on the same mission can kind of justify you know in their head. Well, I may not be making you know the same amount of money if I migrate over to this new company, but I can still make you know I can cover my bases and at least be working for a company that's not trying to kill people. So the more users there are, the more people, the more job opportunities are available for those folks to start to migrate and start to create and build this parallel economy. But we have to understand that it is a parallel economy. I truly believe that it's not like one system is going to burn to the ground and become ash while another just rises. There's going to be two paradigm realities that exist at the same time and we're seeing it right now.

Speaker 2: 1:22:52

We saw it all through COVID. I was living in Raleigh at the time. For example, my family would walk down the street in Raleigh. We'd have people screaming at us and yelling at us because we weren't wearing masks and we were killing people and yada, yada. And yet we would get in the car and say this is BS and drive 20 minutes south to a town called Fukui and the bars were open. The restaurants were open. Near nobody was wearing masks. It was like a different paradigm reality and you wanted to like take the people in Raleigh and bring them down here and say look, this exists. People aren't dying in the streets, in fact, there's a. There's fewer people going to the hospital and the ER than there are in your system per capita. Um, and yet those two paradigms existed.

Speaker 2: 1:23:34

At the same time happened throughout the entire country. The vast majority of tier two, tier three cities, in fact, in middle America, middle America and even up and down the coast, existed that way. Their businesses were open. Some took some precautions, but they didn't shut everything down, but they kept quiet about it because they didn't want the Department of Health and Human Services or different health services coming into their communities. That same thing's happening with IT. It.

Speaker 2: 1:24:04

There's always going to be people who are your Apple cultists that are going to continue to use Apple products, continue to use Google, continue to use all these products, despite the fact that they know what's happening. They're saying I don't care, it's convenient, it's easy, it's simple, the pros outweigh the cons. So what? We're not going to change everybody, but you can make a difference by you simply starting to do these things. Like I said before, by not being on Facebook and someone saying why did you get off Facebook, you can start that dialogue in that conversation and start to explain to people. This is why I do a lot of the face to face trainings that I do If I can give people just some nuggets of information and knowledge that they can then share to start that conversation with someone else, then I've done my job.

Speaker 2: 1:24:48

Yeah, I've done my job. So by you starting to do these things, you can start that conversation with the people around you and in those communities. So be the agent of change, right? So you know the Gandhi quote be the change you want to see in the world. Like, yeah, do that. Be that there's more and more people. From a device perspective, there are phones operating systems and laptop operating systems that don't require you to learn how to code. It used to be the case that if you wanted to use Linux, you had to learn how to code and script. You don't need to do that anymore. That's new as of like four years ago. Yeah, it's huge. So now my 77 year old dad, who's like a tech neophyte, which means he doesn't understand technology he can use a Linux based laptop and not have any issues or problems and not have to go in and try to code anything. It just works. Right.

Speaker 2: 1:25:40

So that exists and we have those devices that are available on my site, but they're all over the place now. Same thing with your phones all kinds of applications that you can use that will accomplish what you need to accomplish, that are not harvesting your data. So all this stuff exists. You just have to start the process and start the journey and figure out what is going to work for me in my life, with my demands, with my needs, with my family, in my region, in my location all that?

Speaker 1: 1:26:05

Yeah Well, and if anybody listening to this says you know you're an investor mindset or you have big money behind what you're doing and you're trying to find something to get behind, this could be one thing. To Sean's point, the technology exists and we need money to help it scale. We need people who are willing to invest in this and create the jobs and the marketing and give people like us more microphones to pick up and say we can do this, it is possible, but we just need the will and the people to make the services better and better, and that, to your point, linux already works, like somebody figured that out. Thankfully, that's one fewer problem that we have that we need to solve.

Speaker 2: 1:26:41

And Amen and that's one fewer problem that we have that we need to solve and amen, and I appreciate you saying that, because I've invested all of my savings I've even gone in the hole too much money and I have put everything on the line on this and I need some capital partners to help us continue to do what we're doing and scale and grow what we're doing, because it's going to. We need some help and the unfortunate paradigm reality we live in is conservative Conservatives are conservative with their money, so they would rather go invest in another Jimmy John's that they know that they can get a 6% 7% return on, even though that doesn't even meet inflation these days, than go invest in something new in a startup. That's not how they think and how they operate. So it's not just me, it's every entrepreneur I know who's on the same mission.

Speaker 2: 1:27:24

Right now we're struggling because we're trying to find capital from investors who are willing to get behind these types of projects and it's tough. So we're dependent on, unfortunately, like mom and pops, and we're dependent on Joe, who's barely getting by anyway, right Like that's not how it should be. Um, so it's. It's very frustrating right now, but if anyone who's listening resonates with what I'm talking about and understands his problems, that wants to help and support in any way they can. Uh, from a capital perspective, I'm actively right now, um in a campaign to to raise some funds.

Speaker 1: 1:28:03

Yeah, well, and tell them how to find you, and we'll kind of wrap up with this here.

Speaker 2: 1:28:07

Yeah. So support at mark37.com or Sean S-E-A-N. Sean at mark37.com is how you can find me. But, chris, I'm looking forward to working with you. I truly believe that people can't really imagine themselves doing or becoming that which they haven't experienced or heard or read about in some way, shape or form. So us going through this process together and walking you through your journey as a small business owner and a father and a husband, I think is going to be huge. So people can be like, oh, that's how you do that. So if Christian could do it, I can do it too.

Speaker 1: 1:28:37

This is possible with somebody that busy and entangled in so many different tech platforms possible with somebody that busy and entangled in so many different tech platforms? Yeah, I'm committed to doing it, and I just need somebody like yourself who can show me the way and be patient with my slow to figure this thing out questions, and I know that you're the guy for the job. So thank you so much, sean, for your time today, for your wisdom, for just telling it like you see it and being unafraid to speak truth, and it is an honor to know you and to have you here on the show.

Speaker 2: 1:29:03

Right back at you, brother, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:29:05

All right, we'll talk soon. Peace.