Deconstructing Conventional
Welcome to Deconstructing Conventional, a show fascinated by one simple question: How did we get here? How did what we call “conventional” come to earn that title? Is there a better way, and if so, what would it look like? This show is about deconstructing two things: Our individual biases, and the systems that run (or attempt to run) our everyday lives.
We do this deconstruction with an eye for where we can reconstruct something better that leads to flourishing societies, and robust physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. In short, this show is about questioning our assumptions and practicing systems-level thinking.
I’m your host, Christian Elliot, I’ll do my best to stay curious and humble. You do the same and we’re both bound to learn something. Welcome to the show. Prepare to have your thinking stretched.
Deconstructing Conventional
Sally Saxon – Unmasking Manipulation: Deep State Tactics, Vaccine Deception, and the Fight for Truth
Can you recognize when you're being manipulated? Join us for a compelling conversation with Sally Saxon, a retired attorney and author of controversial books like "Globalists on Trial: The Hidden Agenda to Destroy America from Within" and "The COVID-19 Vaccines and Beyond: What the Medical Industrial Complex is Not Telling Us." Sally exposes the subtle deep-state tactics and propaganda used to divide society and control the narrative. Drawing from her extensive background in law and critical investigation, she uncovers the systematic manipulation by corporate media and government entities, urging us all to ask more discerning questions.
Our journey with Sally takes a deep dive into the dangerous waters of COVID-19 vaccine deception. She shares startling revelations about the adverse impacts of these vaccines on individuals and families, highlighting the reluctance of medical professionals to report vaccine injuries due to potential repercussions. We explore the broader agenda behind these measures and stress the importance of transparency and informed decision-making. This episode is an eye-opener for anyone looking to understand the truth behind the narratives fed to us during the "pandemic."
As we wrap up our discussion, we venture into the realm of manufactured crises and the influence of the rich and powerful. Sally unpacks how fear and anxiety are weaponized to drive public decisions that benefit the interests of the few. We also dissect the term "conspiracy theory," revealing its use as a tool to discredit valid dissent. In our concluding moments, we reflect on the role of faith as a counterforce to the globalist agenda, emphasizing the power of hope and solidarity in these challenging times. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to recognize deception and take meaningful action against it.
RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
- Globalists on Trial: The Hidden Agenda to Destroy America from Within
- The COVID-19 Vaccines and Beyond: What the Medical Industrial Complex is Not Telling Us.
- Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals
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Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 35. This is the fourth in my new sovereignty series and in this one I wanted to find a guest to help me build upon the last three episodes and help us sharpen our discernment when it comes to the subtle deep state tactics or propaganda used against us today to manipulate us or keep us divided or corral us into their systems of theft and enslavement. And if that sounds a bit hyperbolic or overstated to you, then I'd encourage you to go back and listen to my last three episodes so you can really just get a better historical and non-hysterical sense of the unseen hands puppeteering our world. My guest in this interview is the lovely Sally Saxon. She is an author and retired attorney and I always love talking with authors because they've been forced to wrestle with words and come up with succinct ways of saying and explaining complicated concepts, manipulation tactics, and we only covered a handful of them. But we covered some whoppers and I think they will help you start to see right through future attempts to manipulate you and instead help you ask fair and discerning questions. And in fact I think it might actually help you laugh at some of the obvious propaganda rather than feeling threatened by it. So in a true sign of the times, I guess you could say.
Speaker 1:After we recorded this interview, sally informed me that, due to the subject matter of her book, she has very strong reasons to believe that there's a problem with large number of orders that have been placed on Amazon and she suspects those books may have been blocked or not properly credited to her account. But whatever is happening, she gave me a new website that I'll post in the show notes, but I will also mention it here. In case you want to order the book, you could go to thecvbookcom or the CV standing for COVID Vax, thecvbookcom. But I guess the irony here for me is that my last two guests both had to let me know about an effort to suppress their work after we recorded the interview. So Dr Lee Vliet from my last two episodes had her website domains maliciously redirected and Sally appears to be having her own book sales suppressed. So, having been personally censored more times than I can count, I can tell you that there are people who don't want you to hear conversations like what Sally or Dr Vliet and I discussed. So here's to another interview. Your globalist overlords won't appreciate with information they don't want you to know. So I, for one, am not going to stop talking about these topics. I will keep doing my best to bring their agenda into the sunlight. So, with that said, welcome to my conversation with the scrappy, humble, articulate and fearless Sally Saxon. Okay, hello everyone and welcome to today's episode.
Speaker 1:My guest is Sally Saxon. She is a graduate of Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago. She is a retired attorney who worked for one of the biggest law firms in Seattle and also had her own practice. For a while. She served as the executive director of a legal foundation focusing on unlawful or abusive government actions. She's also the author of Globalists on Trial, the Hidden Agenda to Destroy America from Within, which was originally published in 2020 and with a new edition expected next year.
Speaker 1:She is also the lead author on an award-winning book written in collaboration with two medical doctors.
Speaker 1:It's titled the COVID-19 Vaccines and Beyond what the Medical Industrial Complex is Not Telling Us and sure, as my listeners are familiar with, they probably know a good amount of the content.
Speaker 1:But that book, really, what I like about it is it presents compelling evidence that tells just a very different story than what the corporate media told us about the COVID vax, and I guess I'd describe it as a forensic audit of really the many ways that we've been lied to about virtually every aspect of it, and it's also a book about the bigger and, I'd say, uglier agenda behind the shots, and Sally and her two co-authors are also working on an update to that book as well, expected to be published, hopefully, by the end of this year. So one other cool relevant context for this interview is that she comes from a family of healthcare professionals. Her dad was a family physician and surgeon and one of the few voices of his generation to warn about the dangers of government intervention in healthcare. Sally is also a minister of Christian International and she's actively involved in that ministry. So, sally, welcome to the show. Thanks for taking the time to join me today.
Speaker 2:Oh well, thank you so much, Christian. It's really an honor to be here, and I'm just a big fan of all that you do. So thank you for what you're doing to just really help people in so many ways.
Speaker 1:Well, you're welcome. Thank you for saying that. So one other thing I'll mention if I'm not mistaken, you've completed a half marathon in every state of the US, Is that right?
Speaker 2:Yes, state of the US. Is that right? Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1:And a total of over 100 half marathons plus 10 full marathons in my 60s, no, so just I wanted to get that out there, because this is a remarkable human I'm talking to today. Very educated, long history in so many different ways. But, sally, give us your backstory. What led you to become an attorney in the first place and how did you get into becoming an author and really writing about such big, controversial topics?
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness. Well, what led me to become an attorney in the first place? It was actually not a whole lot of thought went into it. I started out as a music major in college because I'd been very active and focused on music music music, you know throughout well, most of grade school, junior, high, high school and thought I wanted to, you know, be a professional musician. But I wasn't quite sure. And after one semester in a music conservatory I decided no, I do not want to do this the rest of my life. But I didn't know what I wanted to do. But I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2:One of my friends, who was also a lawyer and had the love for music, he just suggested well, you'll probably end up being a lawyer. And that's how it got started. And I really never gave it much thought that well, what do lawyers really do, even though one of my uncles was a lawyer, you know. So that's what got that started. And so when I so, I practiced law for several years in Seattle. I no longer live there, but when I was with the big law firm there for several years, most of my work was doing research and analysis, like legal analysis, writing memoranda and briefs, you know, with the analysis and stuff, putting all the legal arguments together. So it was a very natural kind of transition to just being an author and it's essentially the same skills and the same things just in. You know different contexts and.
Speaker 2:But it's like looking at the evidence and especially when you see, hmm, there's a problem here, something is not right, and and then well, what's the? What is the problem? What's the evidence? You know surrounding, you know these issues and you know Christian.
Speaker 2:One thing I I I thought about recently was how you know we have these major controversial issues you know in society. But it occurred to me that, at least for most of them, most of the ones I've been writing about, in any event, there really wouldn't be any much controversy at all if the truth were known, if people really looked at both sides of the evidence. Because on a lot of the issues, like the COVID vaccines that we wrote our book about, the evidence is really, I think, very one-sided. The solid, credible evidence is very one sided and it's not what you're hearing in the corporate media, you know, as you mentioned earlier. And so if most people knew you know both sides of the story and we're not just making judgments in the court of public opinion, judgments in the court of public opinion that's driven by the corporate media. I think their views and perspectives on various issues would be very different and there wouldn't be much controversy at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, one of the things I was excited about having you on is because you are an attorney and you have to look at evidence through the lens of could I prove this in court. And when you take that approach to things, you're much slower to just believe whatever you're told and say well, what can we prove? And sure enough, your book is just a tome of proving things to your point that people don't want known out there. We'd rather just be able to manipulate you and tell you what's real rather than have you actually look at the evidence, and so I guess I'd love to know what was kind of your big I can't unsee that moment when it came to COVID. When did you know this was about so much more than just what we were being told in the media?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, first I have to back up and say that I first became aware that there was a much bigger agenda going on, way back in the early 90s, when I read a book by a gentleman called named Gary Kaa K-A-H. It was entitled En Route to Global Occupation, and when I read that, it's like I did not want to believe it. I thought no, no, no, you know, it's about, okay, a group of wealthy elites who had an agenda for a one world government, and that was my first introduction to it and I did not want to believe that, like most of us don't, when we first hear that. And if we know what you know their bigger agenda is, and if we know what you know, their bigger agenda is.
Speaker 2:But when I looked at all the evidence that he was presenting in his book just so many primary source documents Ied people who just have their own vision and, you know, started to gain control over all the major institutions of society and so forth and they had an agenda.
Speaker 2:Now at that time we didn't know as much about their full agenda as we know now, especially you know what COVID has exposed.
Speaker 2:But so that's kind of a foundation where I already came with that understanding and knowledge that there was, you know, a much bigger picture to a lot of these major events and crises that we've experienced in our country.
Speaker 2:So when COVID, you know, was first start being discussed, well, I guess one of the first things that hit me was, you know, when they started talking about lockdowns and and and things in the other measures, masking and and then, especially when they started to say there are no effective treatments, you know, for this and I thought no, no, no, no, this is just one of their schemes, another one of their schemes. And so that was. That was a big clue for just the COVID part. Now the vaccines it was a little bit different researching what other researchers had found when they took a drop of the from a vaccine vial and put it under the microscope and I saw the photos of what they found. Yep, you know that, you know you really couldn't unsee, I mean because basically what they were finding was these are not things that should be in a vaccine.
Speaker 2:It had nothing to do with you know, helping people prevent getting a certain disease or sickness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was one of the things I found in researching how to help people recover from adverse events, from those things is like, what am I actually trying to help people overcome? And there's, to your point, there's just so many things that shouldn't be there. Or there's things where, like, is this a bug or a feature? That this is in here and and so, yeah, it is a quagmire. So you already mentioned that. The one of like, wait, what's in these shots? Or were there any other things that just surprised you or kind of were jaw dropping moments as you were writing this book?
Speaker 2:Oh, there were. Yeah, there were several things, I would say one of the main things was because I already had the background and the foundation of knowing that these wealthy elites have a bigger agenda and so forth. Because I had that background, I wasn't surprised that they would just do anything to try to advance their agenda. But what surprised me was the extent of all the lies, deceptions, corruption and everything that they did. It just was, you know, practically every single point that I was researching about the vaccines, you know, and also about just COVID in general, but especially in the vaccines practically every point where they could lie, misrepresent data, manipulate data, cover up data, suppress information, make stuff up, they did it. And it just was like incredible that you know they were able to to just do this with seemingly with impunity, not even caring about the results.
Speaker 2:Because, they had their agenda in focus and they knew what they wanted to do and they were telling us what they wanted to do, but a lot of people were not paying attention and so like, yeah, that was. That was one of the surprising things. Another was the extent of the harm done by the shots, as well, as you know what people were finding to be in the shots, and that was, you know, surprising. Plus, just, you know, when you think about an octopus and it's got its arms in everything going every which direction. Just the massive amount of coordination on so many different points and getting so many people in positions of power and authority at different levels to go along with, you know what they were dictating should be done, what needed to be done.
Speaker 2:That was rather stunning, even though I was aware of, you know, the big picture and their agenda generally. But I, you know their full agenda really went beyond what I was aware of before. So that's partly what our second book is going to be about. Is, you know, going further? What is the end game of all this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Going further. What is the end game of all this no-transcript? I'm like I guess the First Amendment is just a suggestion here. We're not really going to defend that and there's no penalty for violating it. And yeah, it was, it was thorough.
Speaker 2:So what was it that led you to? I guess you can respond to that if you want. But what was it that led you to write this book? Like you, don't listening to testimonies of people who had suffered serious adverse reactions to the shots. It was so heartbreaking because it upended their entire lives. You know, it's not just that now they've got these major physical problems they didn't have before, but they lost the job. In many cases they lost the job that they took the shot to keep, but they ended up losing it anyway. That was very sad. Now they've got the physical problems Plus because they're not able to physically do all the things.
Speaker 2:It totally upended their family life, their marriages, relationships, not able to do certain things with the kids that they used to be able to do, plus the financial hit, because not only did they lose an income from not having their job, but now their medical expenses have substantially increased because their insurance companies were not covering a lot of the costs, and and so you know they're having to come out of pocket for remedies and a lot of them couldn, and and so you know they're having to come out of pocket for remedies and a lot of them couldn't afford certain kinds of treatments and and going from doctor to doctor to try and figure out what's wrong. Plus, their doctors were, in many cases, were not supporting them at all, because their doctors often said we think it's just in your head, and whether that was because they really believe that or because they were being threatened or intimidated to not put down on the chart, the patient's chart, that, oh, this is vaccine related. You see, they could get in trouble because, remember, now we've got electronic records, thanks to Obamacare, that they have to write everything down. So they've got the doctors have somebody looking over their shoulder. Well, all the nursing and the nurses and so forth, somebody's looking over their shoulder to see. You know what they're doing, what they're prescribing, you know what their diagnosis is and sniff. So if they're truthful and they realize it's a vaccine injury, some of them are very reluctant to even do that, much less to report the injury or adverse reactions to VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which they're legally required to do if they suspect that is a you know, a cause of a problem. And so so we, um, we have that. So it was.
Speaker 2:Those heartbreaking testimonies was one inspiration, but the other part of it was, you know, exposing which, the bigger agenda and the big picture that all things COVID fits into, which, you know, some people, other people, are exposing that and you know we're not unique to that. But you know, every book, every interview, every person who speaks out about this is reaching a different group of people, and so we need more voices to speak out and, you know, expose the bigger agenda behind this, as well as the dangers of the shots and and but I was thinking the other day, it's not just enough for people to know the fact that these shots have caused tremendous harm, both in terms of unprecedented numbers of deaths and serious adverse reactions, but also it's important to know why they're causing this. What is it about these shots? Because that is relevant to now and going forward and what is being done with technologies and what you know.
Speaker 2:It's not just a matter of shutting off the COVID shots. Why they're causing this, then that helps with diagnosis as well as treatments. But you know, it's a much bigger picture than that and our book is still very relevant for today, even though it came out about a year and a half ago, because of the issues it raises that really go beyond COVID and help to make people aware of all these, of the big picture, first of all, that all things COVID fit into, but also, you know just the many ways in which people have been deceived. You know by this, and we you know we don't want people to be deceived, because that leads to decisions about their life and that affect not only their life and their families but everyone else too. So as a whole, as a nation, we need as many people as possible to be aware of what's really going on.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, and thank you for doing that work.
Speaker 1:I know it's thankless and tireless and I've been kind of a researcher in parallel with you, just finding similar things and unearthing stories and evidence, and it's just at some point you kind of cross the I can't not talk about this, I can't pretend I don't know this and for you to create this time capsule of a record and something for other researchers to build on and and find evidence.
Speaker 1:It's a gift to humanity and to your point about it continuing to be relevant. If you haven't been paying attention, there's a they're hell bent on getting this mRNA technology into everything and turning pretty much every medication into and just call them a vaccine. Now, no matter what you've got, we'll just have a vaccine for diabetes and cancer and as if that's we can say that word and somehow it's now protected and perfect and and that they're even trying to sneak this gene editing into our food. It's in organic yogurt and kombucha and it's everywhere. And once you get that, there's a threat here. That's why this kind of evidence becomes really compelling and important. So anything you want to say in response to that?
Speaker 2:Well, that's part of what we'll cover more in the second book. It's already there to a certain extent in the first book. But, yeah, the threats that we now face because of the Pandora's box that COVID opened, of several different things that we really need to be aware of, and it's like now one of the things, the big lessons, I think, from the COVID era, even though the, the health emergency might be technically over, as much as we'd love to all put, we'd all love to put COVID behind us, we really can't, you know, partly because we still have a lot of people, you know, suffering from serious adverse reactions, but also because of these, these threats that we've become aware of to an even greater degree because of COVID, to an even greater degree because of COVID and, you know, in addition to things that we knew before, like some of the things that you mentioned. So, yeah, it's having that understanding, but we need to take one of the lessons is that you know we need to take more personal responsibility. You know we need to take more personal responsibility for our own health because a lot of the doctors, medical doctors and other healthcare providers don't know.
Speaker 2:You know what. You know what COVID has unleashed, you know what's in these shots. They don't know how to properly or accurately diagnose a person's problem. You know, you've probably heard of of of people too, who had a serious adverse reaction to the shots and they went from doctor to doctor to doctor to doctor trying to find somebody who could figure out what their problem was. And, um, you know that that's a very difficult thing. Like if, if some of those doctors kind of read our book, they'd get a clue and realize that, oh, this has something to do with a vaccine. But and that's one of the problems now is that both patients and doctors a lot of them have not yet made that connection between some of their new health problems and the vaccine. And if they knew that the vaccine was responsible for this certain condition, then it would really help both doctors and patients to know what direction to go as far as treatment and diagnosis as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've referred to it as ABV disease. It's anything but vaccine. It just it can't be that. So we have to chase down every other possible idea for where this might, where these symptoms might be coming from, and never entertain and it's just to your point. It's the uncomfortable nature of entertaining. Could this be? And what does it mean? That I missed it? Or maybe that I participated in it? Or I acted from fear? It just brings up so many uncomfortable questions. But at some point we have to be able to step back and say maybe it is that.
Speaker 1:And to your point if we can't say that, then we're going to be chasing the wrong rabbits indefinitely. So thank you for writing that and bringing it into the light.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's a challenge because, I mean, I can understand why people don't want to believe that our own government could be doing something intentionally to harm us, because that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2:When you look at the fact that Because that's what it comes down to when you look at the fact that the government knows, the pharmaceutical companies know, without a doubt, that these vaccines, these shots, are causing unprecedented numbers of deaths and serious adverse reactions. They know that and yet they continue. They not only have not pulled them from the market, they continue to push them even on babies as young as six months old and they're on the childhood vaccine schedule now. So that should you know, send you know all kinds of safety signals and warnings, like to parents, to everybody, that there's something going on here. Because ordinarily, under their normal practices, if they were aware that a certain drug had resulted in, you know, 50 deaths or even less, or so many serious injuries or even less or so many serious injuries, the drug would have been pulled off the market very quickly, either voluntarily by the drug companies or by the government.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's been the past practice, right? And if you were to apply those same criteria that they've used in the past to these shots, well, first of all, they would never have been authorized in the first place.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But once they were, the shots should have been pulled you know like within the first month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, in 1976, I created a webinar called the C19 Vax webinar. You can find it on my website. But in 1976, there was a quote unquote swine flu outbreak and so they made a rush to vaccine the market and I think like 45 people died and they pulled it off the market.
Speaker 2:And not even that many.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and before the manufacturers had liability back then. Today they don't, and so what's uncomfortable about looking at this honestly is that somebody like a lawyer what I love you and others have been able to do is you can now show intent, and that's the ugly part that this. This wasn't just an accident and good people doing the best they could under pressure circumstances. There was malicious intent built up over a long time and there was a rollout, and then, now that the evidence of harm is here, like anyway, never mind, as you were, and there's no in, there's no will to course correct and make any ask for forgiveness or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, and so there's some real sinister things going on here. With the whole vaccine campaign, and even with the 1976 swine flu vaccination campaign, it lasted only two months Actually I think they had less maybe only 25 or so deaths associated with that and maybe several hundred cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome and they pulled it off Okay. But the big difference, as you pointed out, was the pharmaceutical companies still had liability then. They don't now, well, or do they? But that's a whole nother issue but on paper, and so far the pharmaceutical companies have been able to escape liability.
Speaker 2:So when I started doing a little research the other day on on product recalls and when were they? What, under what circumstances were different products recalled I found that in most cases like once the FDA, for example, found, you know, contamination of bacteria in some kind of food or something the manufacturer voluntarily pulled it off because they knew they had liability. If they didn't pull it from the market and people got really sick or something or died, they'd have a lot of liability. So just that threat of potential liability was enough to cause them to make corrections very quickly. Potential liability was enough to cause them to make corrections very quickly. And when you compare that to now, when there's no liability, and now, over three and a half years later, with huge, unprecedented numbers of deaths, I mean people will be amazed at what the actual estimates of death are. Now that's coming out in our second book too. It's like why haven't these shots been recalled long ago?
Speaker 1:And that's where we're at.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, as we talked about shaping this interview, we thought it'd be because there's so many details like that and your book does a good job of laying it out, so we don't need to go through every instance of all the different shenanigans.
Speaker 1:But one thing we thought might be a service to humanity was just to help people see through a propaganda engine, help us sharpen our discernment. We kind of just now have to live out this mantra of question everything and attempt to do that without being paranoid, but also do it with a desire for fairness and a genuine effort to seek truth. So one of the things I like about your book is you just kind of go through some of these deep state tactics we'll call them these different ways that we are manipulated or gaslit or led to believe something that's not true, and so I think you've got something like 17 that you sent me like oh my gosh. So we're going to probably stick around half a dozen, because so we just don't make this a five hour episode. But so talk us through some of the things that you learned or that became the most obvious or helpful ways people can see through this attempt to make us malleable, manipulative humans who will just follow whatever the propaganda engine tells us. Help us sharpen our discernment in that arena.
Speaker 2:OK, sure, and again, as I mentioned earlier, there's a foundation of understanding that there's a bigger picture and an agenda behind all this, and if a person does not understand that, they're going to not understand.
Speaker 2:You know anything else about COVID, this whole crisis, crisis, but okay. So one of the big things is that they you know we're talking about this group of you know, wealthy elites who have a lot of power and control over practically every major institution of society, that they've built that up over many decades and, and especially when they control the major media, the, or I should say the corporate media, but they're they're less and less in the mainstream than they used to be because of the explosion of independent media now, which is a good thing, but, but the the when you have the mouthpiece or the platform of the corporate media to help spread your narrative, you can create the perception of a lot of things that are not true. But so one of the big things that they do is they love to create their own crisis in many kinds is they love to create their own crisis in many kinds. Most of them are like a financial crisis, major financial crisis, health emergencies and terror acts or war.
Speaker 2:A lot of their things are in that category.
Speaker 1:It's theatrics, essentially, as well as climate change.
Speaker 2:You should add climate change in there. That's a biggie, biggie, yeah, okay, so all they have to do is create the perception, uh, of this big crisis, which they were able to do very successfully, you know, with covid, through many different, many different ways. Um, and, and they do this because then that enables them to do a little quantum leap, they can do a series of quantum leaps to advance their agenda, and because when you have a crisis, it kind of causes things to shift, and take that quantum leap, you have an acceleration of, uh, of everything you know, so that you know there's always a new normal, a new level, uh, that you, you can't ever go backwards.
Speaker 2:so they, they tend to create their own crises through a whole series of steps to create the perception of stuff. But now I should say it does have real impacts, sure, but it's the fear mongering that comes from creating the crisis that leads to the negative impacts, whether it's financial impact or deaths from COVID. I mean, people did die from something called COVID, but it was never. When you look at the evidence, the strong evidence, you see it was never a dangerous global pandemic.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But that was the perception they needed to create in order to get to the next step, which was the vaccines which are also not vaccines by legal definition, so they create their crisis to cause a reaction. You know so much fear and anxiety like oh my goodness, there's big, dangerous global pandemic. What should we do? Oh OK, big dangerous global pandemic. What should we do? Oh, okay, so what did they do? The lockdowns, the face masks, the social distancing, uh, and then finally the shots shutting down main street in favor of wall street.
Speaker 1:Let's get all.
Speaker 2:The small businesses are not essential and the big ones are suddenly right and I, and I guess the thinking behind it is if you create a crisis, or the perception of a crisis, that's big enough, it'll cause the fear and anxiety that leads people to make different decisions than they would otherwise make, and and so that's yeah we just we wanted you guys to have that reminder.
Speaker 1:Some of you already know this, but when you see more crises rolled out in the future, pump the brakes for a second pause, take a deep breath and say is this another fake story? Is this another manufactured crisis? Yes, it can have real world implications, but it is also manufactured. And to what end? Who's benefiting from this? Those are that we have that discernment when you see more large-scale crises get rolled out to us in the months and years ahead right and and actually these crises uh usually uh serve many, many different objectives right uh, you know, uh, you know it can cover financial it can?
Speaker 2:you know they want to weaken the individual finances, weaken the economy of the whole country. They want to cause division between peoples. You know they want to put small businesses out of business and favor the big businesses. You know if they want to depopulate, they'll do something that will kill off a bunch of people. That will disable a lot of people, make them dependent, make people more dependent on the government or on the state or on on this group of unelected people who've self-appointed them themselves to these positions of power and authority over everyone.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, but I agree with you, it's like okay when another big thing comes along. You know, ask yourself just the questions that you just posed, you know, is this real or is this just another scheme, you know, to advance their agenda?
Speaker 1:Yeah, does this take away or add to my self-sufficiency? And usually it's. If there's some independence you have, that's not in line with what they want. So there's reasons you need to follow orders. That's one of the ways you can sniff out an agenda like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's very good, yeah, and so another. Another thing they use is throwing around the term conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I love that one too. And and that that term arose and came into popularity several decades ago, apparently by the CIA. They figured this is a great tactic to throw people off the track, to divert people's attention away you know from what they're really doing behind the scenes and just say, oh, that's just conspiracy theory, and you know what those people are saying and that's been debunked a long time ago, so let's just go on from here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so it's just a diversionary tactic. And the fact of the matter is there are conspiracies. This is and one of the quotes in our book by David Rockefeller and one of the quotes in our book by David Rockefeller who's one of the top conspirator families. That's part of this whole big picture and agenda.
Speaker 2:I mean he even came out and admitted in his memoirs that I couldn't believe it. When I read it the first time many years ago. I had to go to the library and check out the book myself to see, and it's like, oh my gosh. He did in fact say that he basically admitted that you know, just like a lot of people had accused him and his family, you know, of conspiring against the best interests, or that they were part of a cabal, a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States and conspiring with people all over the world to form basically a better one world political economic structure. And he says if that's the accusation, then yes, I plead guilty and am proud of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there are other things. Even John John F Kennedy warned us about this monolithic organization. So there's, you know. So these are not just theories. Conspiracy just takes two or more people agreeing to carry out a certain agenda. And so we've got a lot more people than that for the most part not a hundred percent, I would say, but for the most part it. You'd probably be safe to assume that it's not theory, it's fact Right.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to work on this one for a second Cause it's like I've come to accept it as a compliment rather than a an insult. It's meant to be to your point of pejorative, it's meant to be a put down to people, and one of the things I love doing on this show is defining our terms. So, okay, let's take conspiracy theory and let's define it Well. Conspiracy is describing theory. So what's a theory? A theory is just a guess, it's a framework to try to make sense of what we're seeing.
Speaker 1:And a conspiracy theory is we're trying to guess what people might be conspiring to do based on evidence.
Speaker 1:And they could be conspiring to sell you a chicken sandwich, or they could be conspiring, like the Rockefellers, to take over the world. But to be able to stand and recognize that people use it as a dismissive term, to not have to entertain the merits of your argument or look at evidence, it's an easy thing to recognize and call people out on or to frame and point out that they're doing what's called an ad hominem attack. They're attacking you or they're attacking the messenger rather than looking at the evidence. And if you can calmly, kindly point that out and recognize that, well, there's all sorts of theories about what might be going on in the world and no one knows everything. So I'm trying to form one and here's some evidence and and keep them from making it personal and making more about the evidence. That can go a long way and to your point. Most of the time it's the lag between that conspiracy theory just a conspiracy fact keeps getting shorter because it's easier to sniff these things out now.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, um, and another thing that they do it's kind of related to this is what's called the big lie, which means that you know, people are more likely to believe a very big lie than they are to believe some smaller lies, because it's really hard to get your head around. Certain big lies like COVID saying that COVID was a dangerous pandemic and we've called that a lie that they should be able to trust could possibly be intentionally scheming to harm us. That lies it's simply too big to believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just think no one would do that yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so this was a tactic of the Nazis, as you know that the bigger the lie, the easier it was for people to accept because threatened the lives of millions and billions, hundreds of billions. And another tactic they use is to accuse the enemy of the very things that they're doing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And in the context of COVID shots, for example, or all things COVID, the term misinformation spreader, you know, comes to mind.
Speaker 1:Perfect example.
Speaker 2:Who is really spreading the misinformation here? And yet many doctors have lost their jobs, have lost their licenses, have lost certifications, have lost positions as editors of journals, things like that because they dared to speak out what they knew to be true from their own practice, as well as from the government's own data and from Pfizer's own data. Uh, the government's own data and from Pfizer's own data. Uh, it's right there. Um, you know in black and white and uh, yet the you know the government a lot. They do so many things with their data.
Speaker 2:They ignore it, they manipulate it and they misrepresent it. For example, the CDC, for the longest time and maybe also still now, although I think they're admitting a little bit they were saying no, there have been no deaths associated with the COVID vaccines, While their own database well, not just one, but the VAERS database, their military database, the CMS, the Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services, that database and maybe others as well, we're all showing, you know, deaths, you know from the vaccines even, like some of many of them, that same day they got the shot, or the day after, or within.
Speaker 2:A couple of weeks after, and yet you know they're saying, oh, there's no deaths, you know here.
Speaker 1:So yeah, those fit so well in that big lie framework, because a lot of times it just seems like they're making up numbers or they're statistical. What's the quote? I think it's the. There's lies, damn, or lies, damn, lies, and statistics right, there's that. Yeah, you can take statistics and just bend them any way you want. I think Fauci just goes on TV like, oh, let's make up some numbers on the spot, like you go try to look up what he said and there's, there's nothing to fall back on. But he's, he wouldn't just make that up, there's got to be something somewhere that we haven't found. And no, they just lie. And once you get it, that's just, they're speaking their native language, they rely upon you, expecting no one would do that. And it's like, come on, it just sounds too crazy. There's probably a good explanation and we just move on with our lives not realizing no, that was intentional.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. And, for example, related to the vaccines. Oh, the vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands or millions of lives, right, Do you have a citation for that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you'd be surprised we're addressing that in our second book too specifically. But yeah, or how about this one? Well, even though the vaccines, they may not prevent transmission, they may not prevent you from getting infected, but at least they reduce or lessen the severity of symptoms. And there's no evidence of that. Yeah right, it's a great line that supports their narrative, but it's like there's no evidence that that is true, but it sounds good.
Speaker 1:No, it does. And Fauci gets to go on and just tell people how hard he worked and how the science kept changing and it's just this gross continual retreat, without recognizing that. No, I'm just lying to you and I'm just doing it long enough till any consequence I could bear, for this activity has, has passed me, and and the beat goes on yeah, and, and one of the problems is that the people who are spouting the lies, like fauci, um, I mean, he knows he right, he knows exactly what he's doing that he's lying.
Speaker 2:So the people making these statements, even many doctors or other representatives of other government agencies, you know they seem very respectable, they seem very knowledgeable, very professional, but they're lying and the when. The problems here is they don't look like what we might expect liars to look like, you know, because their outward appearance and their credentials. But another part of the problem here is you. If you start getting into the big money, huge amounts of money that were thrown at a lot of people in various situations, like some of the researchers or writers of medical journal articles, some of the people who were, you know, even in government regulatory agencies or in hospital systems, doctor's offices there was just an unprecedented, enormous amount of money. We're talking many, many billions of dollars that were thrown at people to spread the word, to encourage people to get the shots.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, they celebrities celebrities, you know celebrities uh leaders in the communities, including pastors churches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the ugly one yeah, business leaders, other you know politicians, others who, uh, maybe, were respected and they were encouraged to have their followers get the shots and took a lot of money for it, and the problem was, if you took the money and then changed your mind and start speaking out against the shots, my understanding is you had to pay all the money back.
Speaker 2:Well, so, and and this was true of, like many of the medical boards or licensing agencies, departments of health, various, uh you know, so it was a is a big problem, but uh, anyway, going on to um, uh, another you know issue, uh, this was uh demonizing uh any anything or anyone who was thwarting their agenda or speaking out against their agenda, and so like, for example, in COVID, a great example is how they demonized medicines like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and others, saying no, those are not only not effective but they're dangerous and don't take these, that Ivermectin is just a horse dewormer, and so they would demonize these things so that people wouldn't take them, and they've done that with some other you know medicines also related to this and warning people, you know, not to use certain things, because they knew those were the very things that would be helpful, that would stop COVID in its tracks in early treatment.
Speaker 2:So the government was saying there is no early treatment. You know, if you can't, if you come to a point you can't breathe, go to the hospital then but there's no early treatment. And you've got a lot of other doctors saying what do you mean? There's no such thing as early treatment. You know, we've never had that. Of course there's ways to treat these and they were being very successful, almost 100% of preventing hospitalizations and deaths from COVID and deaths from COVID.
Speaker 2:Right, well, the government, I mean the vast majority of people who ended up in the hospital with COVID and were given the hospital government protocols. Most of them died. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not just demonization of things that worked For me that one that you mentioned. Just step back, rewind and now think about it logically. There's nothing else in the world that you can possibly do for your health. We can't help you any other way. The only thing to do is wait till you get sick and then pray for a arm juice to show up that we can inject in you, and that's your only thing that can possibly help your health. It doesn't even pass the sniff test yet. We just kind of were in that trance and fell for it. Yeah, it doesn't even pass the sniff test yet. We just kind of were in that trance and fell for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so there were a lot of things you know that just did not even make sense. Yeah, like for the doctors who said what do you mean? There's no early treatment? Yeah, of course that's what we do there are treatments.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so, but they were demonized and not listened to, even though many of those doctors had 30, 40 years of experience and they were saving patients right and left. So, in any event, that's another thing that they do. So when you hear the media or the government demonizing certain people or certain possible treatments, certain people or certain possible treatments, think again. It might be that the ones who are really telling the truth that you need to listen to are the people or things that are being demonized.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm going to give one other example so you guys can look for this when you see it happening, because it's such a predictable.
Speaker 1:Normal tactic is they accuse people of inappropriate sexual behavior and then what the beautiful thing that does for them is that keeps them from having to divulge any other nefarious behavior that person has because we can put them away.
Speaker 1:Now we just make up, fabricate some charges that they were inappropriate, and now they're gone and all the other crimes they committed are now swept under the rug, which is probably what's happening with Klaus Schwab right now at the World Economic Forum. He's being accused of all this sexual misconduct, never mind all the other gross things he did. We can just put him away for that. So if you see that it may be gross and it wouldn't be shocking if Klaus was engaged in that, but what it does is give them a free pass from the other things and so so just recognize that's part of their playbook to demonize people. Sometimes it's even of their own. I think Klaus has probably passed his useful phase and he's the chew toy they're ready to spit out and and move on to the next puppet, who will do whatever they tell him to. So be be aware of that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then there's also things like you know silencing dissent, and they do this by. You know censorship, and probably most of your viewers know there's Matt. There has been massive censorship.
Speaker 1:Overt and covert yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and in this, and so it should make you wonder well, why is it they don't want us to hear about?
Speaker 1:this information.
Speaker 2:You know, and why are they trying so hard? And then also, yeah, like deplatforming people, making it hard for some of the independent media to even continue. You know their messaging because you know the government messes with their finances or they do something. I mean, it's just all kinds of things and that leads us to like mafia-like tactics. Oh my gosh. And one of the names for this group of people is the Khazarian Mafia Khazarian, referring to the part of the world that this group originated in, and mafia, kind of describing the tactics that they use. You know where they not only lying and deception, but you know threats, intimidation, blackmail. You know those are big ones. You know shaking down people. There's just all kinds of ways that they use because they will do anything. They will do anything, they will stop at nothing to advance their agenda. It's like they've got no conscience.
Speaker 1:Right, it's broken Our heart of stone applies to them. Yeah, there's a disgust, or even just repulsion at that human suffering or the human condition. And people are just a collection of randomly assembled molecules, not souls, not, there's nothing precious or important about them, and so they're just things to manipulate in nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, you know, we see from uh some of the spokesmen of this uh cabal, uh, that they're even seeking to change what it means to be human and they come out with statements that the rest of us is like I can't believe. They seriously believe this or this is what they're trying to do. It's kind of like the agenda is so radical that it's difficult for people, normal people, to imagine that any other human being would have any thought of doing certain things to humanity and intentionally harming and doing things. That's another reason why it's difficult for many people, I think, to accept all these things that are happening is because normal people don't think the way these people do. Whether you want to call them psychopaths or sociopaths, I don't know, but they do. You know they do not think and act like normal people.
Speaker 1:Right and appreciate that they rely upon our visceral repugnance to that to continue to keep it going. They know that it like we can't conceive of that and since I can't cross the intellectual bridge of why would someone do that, that's their opening, that's their window to keep doing what they're doing because we just can't believe it's that bad or could scale to the breadth of what it is and that's to their credit, in our blind spot yeah, I think we're at a point now where, um, people cannot afford to be unaware of the big picture, of the bigger agenda and and the whys behind it all and the ways that they use to deceive and manipulate you know people and situations to serve their agenda, to advance their agenda.
Speaker 2:I mean this is like not optional anymore to learn about this stuff, because you know we are in this war against humanity being waged by our own government and all those who serve them. And even if you want to look at who's behind all this we were discussing that in the second book, but I mean it goes way up beyond the people whose faces we see on TV. You know there's there's higher levels than that, but you know the key is like, what do we need to do? And, of course, one of the biggest things that we can all do is just simply not go along with their agenda. If they're going to impose more lockdowns, masking social distancing, you know shots of any kind, just say no.
Speaker 2:You know, no, we're not going to do that. And because, if they can't, I mean we're much more numerous, you know, in number than they are. They're just a relatively small group and we're, you know, hundreds of millions, billions of people all over the world, and so we should have the greater power. But we've got to be aware and we've got to, you know, resolve our mind Well, ok, even if they impose the mandate for another shot. Ok, we have a hard choice to make for those who are in that situation, you know, am I going to, you know, go along with that again and and do potential harm to myself and my family, uh, as well as the others, or am, um, am I going to stand up and just say no, no more.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and cause if they can't get us to go along with it, they're they're in trouble.
Speaker 2:But I I think there's some major major things happening right now, both financially, politically and other ways, that are going to have a big impact on all of this, but still, you know we're in uncharted territory here and we need to have a much greater awareness of what's going on than you know, know most people have right now. And, um, you know, everybody is at risk now, yeah, when you've had the covid shots or not. But it opens up a whole lot more questions of like, well, what about all the other vaccines?
Speaker 1:yeah, especially no man.
Speaker 2:There's another, there's another deep rabbit hole yeah, there's so many rabbit holes, uh, but yeah, so I think we've covered a lot of different things today and our big issue is not only do not comply, and become aware and become aware.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean, our book is a good source, it compiles a lot of things, but there are other, you know, sources. There's so many other books and articles and interviews and so forth coming out on these subjects that it's kind of overwhelming. But one thing we could encourage our audiences to do is like take a book like ours and give it to somebody like a doctor who is not aware of all these problems, or some other people. You know we found that, uh, just, you know, putting it in their hands you can't make them read it, but if they have it, hopefully it'll arouse some curiosity to at least start reading it. And if they open it to almost any page, you know they'll see something that may surprise them, that will pique their curiosity to read more. So you know, if we had a little army of people who could help, even just giving one copy to somebody who needs, really needs, the information, you know, that would, that would really help a lot to wake up more people.
Speaker 1:It certainly would, and thank you so much for writing those books and that and I I aspire to be an author someday and I I respect the amount of work and research that goes into making something, and I've done a good amount in making webinars and writing blogs and and not even turned it into a full page book or full blown books yet and I know the work that is. And I guess I just want to start as we start wrapping up, just echo what you said about being able to see through their tactics and recognize this is a lot bigger. Covid was kind of the kickoff party to their next phase and if you are relying on anything mainstream media to give you a map of reality to make plans, you are not going to like where that leads, and so we encourage you to start forming a more accurate map of what reality looks like and recognize some of these tactics. We point out that they are going to continue to try to divide us. They have to keep us fighting each other and not them. And as soon as we recognize who they are or what their agendas are, we can put down our swords and we can stop falling for stupid things like stop hate, which has no teeth to it, it's just a. It's a way to cause division. And another example of could you, could we define our terms here what, stop, stop what in particular? And recognize I'm not, I'm not against you. There's there's a category for particular and recognize I'm not against you. There's a category for I could disagree with you and still like you or even love you, and that shifting that perspective and recognizing, if we're arguing with each other, they're winning. And as soon as we start saying no, you're lying to me. The Vax wasn't good, the border isn't secure, the elections don't have integrity, and we go through the list of things that are actually the threats to us and we can stand up and have a backbone and recognize this is going to go a lot better if we put down our hate speech and stop falling for their tricks to divide us.
Speaker 1:And there's a great, a great quote you pointed out to the book to me, rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky, and I was just looking into that book. Some and one of the things he mentioned because I guess he was kind of they there's. It's like. To me it's almost like the art of war. You can read that book for for good and use it for bad either way.
Speaker 1:But one of the things he said in there was um, he was quoting a French philosopher who, quote, gravely warned that unless the individual citizens were regularly involved in the actions of governing themselves, self-governance would pass from the scene. Like we, the people. It becomes a relic if we don't actually do something and participate in the governance that we have or in the problems that we are facing and do the work to build our parallel economies to get outside of this centralization of everything. So one thank you for pointing out that book and I'll let you have the final word and any other encouraging things you may want to say to people, but take the final word and then tell people where they can find your work.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, first of all, you can find the book on Amazon. It looks like this COVID-19. Covid-19 vaccines and beyond, what the medical industrial complex is not telling us. And my final word, I think, would be that you know even as many threats as there are that COVID sort of exposed us to, you know there's definitely reasons for hope and encouragement.
Speaker 2:And you know there are more and more people are coming up with some effective treatments for those who are still suffering serious injuries from the shots or even from what's called long COVID. I know Christian gets into that and presents many different options. So there's increasingly many, many things that can really help people through that. But also being encouraged by, if you're a believer, that we were created and not evolved from the primordial blob. Yeah, you know, our creator is doing some amazing. The globalists have their great reset that they're seeking to uh advance, but God, his love, his power and how he and his intervention can defeat this Goliath that we're facing in the end game.
Speaker 1:Right on. Well, that's a great note to end on, and I would affirm what you just said, and we are never without hope. So, sally, thank you so much for taking the time to share your wisdom, for being in the fight with us, and it's just an honor to know you and to amplify your work.
Speaker 2:Oh well, thank you so much, Christian. It's been such a pleasure and honor to know you and be involved with what you're doing, so it's my pleasure.
Speaker 1:All right, we'll talk to you again soon. Thanks, Okay.
