Jonathan Butts – Unveiling the Mysteries of Water: Structured H2O, Energy Interplay, and Revolutionary Healing Potential

Embark on an enlightening exploration of water's hidden intricacies with Jonathan Butts, a veteran of the Naval Nuclear Program and an expert in industrial machine design. We discuss the surprising ways water interacts with energy and the profound implications for our health and the environment. From the seemingly magical properties of structured water to the challenges it poses to conventional science, this episode promises to shift your understanding of the life-giving substance flowing through our taps and veins.

Water isn't just H2O, and in our conversation, Butts takes us on an intellectual journey through his personal anecdotes and professional insights. Together, we examine the role of water in nuclear power, its potential consciousness, and its capacity to transform from a mere chemical compound into a vital player in our biological functions. As we navigate through topics such as water's memory and intelligence, the debate over homeopathy, and the transformative power of water in healing, prepare for a paradigm shift that could redefine your daily interactions with this essential element.

Concluding our session, stories of remarkable health recoveries underscore the burgeoning recognition of "living water" as a potent healing agent. Butts shares his wisdom on the interconnectedness of water and energy, the biological marvels it performs, and its capacity to reshape our understanding of existence itself. This episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone looking to deepen their appreciation for water's role in our lives and the world at large. Join us for a captivating discussion that just might alter your perspective on one of Earth's most mysterious and powerful resources.

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• Water Crystals: Making the Quality of Water Visible - Andres Schulz
• The late Viktor Schauberger
• Gerald Pollack - The Fourth Phase of Water

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Chapters

• 0:00 The Power of Water
• 7:25 Understanding the Concept of Structured Water
• 17:22 Exploring Water's Unique Characteristics and Properties
• 23:54 Water Plasma and Structured Water
• 36:07 Water and Energy Relationship Simplified
• 42:13 Water's Biological Properties and Abilities
• 49:39 The Power of Water in Healing
• 58:43 Exploring the Significance of Water
• 1:05:59 The Healing Power of Structured Water
• 1:20:19 Water and Hydration
• 1:23:55 The Power of Water and Intuition
• 1:29:42 The Importance of Structured Water

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:52

Hello everyone, welcome to episode 25. It's good to be back. I've missed you guys. So, after I took the last month off just to kind of do some studying and spend some time with family and I've really got some exciting episodes coming for you this year and so to kick things off, I have a conversation that I promise will stretch your thinking. Just doing the research to prep for this episode really stretched mine.

Speaker 1: 1:13

So this episode is all about water, and I first heard about the idea of water having structure about three years ago, and if you haven't heard of that term yet, the easiest way to peak your curiosity may be just to think of a snowflake. So most people have probably had the experience of catching a falling snowflake and seeing the intricate shapes it makes, and it didn't really hit me until looking into this topic more deeply that the magnificence of those shapes are basically variations of 60 degree angles, and so the basic idea is that there is a structure or a shape that water takes when it has not been contaminated or altered by some human process, like pressurizing it in pipes, which, when pipes it, creates a very different and predictable structure. So my guest today is a man named Jonathan Butts, and he began studying water as a result of his work at the Naval Nuclear Program starting in the 1990s. So the short version of John's work is that he looked at so many different ways that you could put energy into water and see how it responds. So, like all things, I suppose when you really start looking deeply at a topic, you realize there's a whole hidden world here that you didn't understand, and water definitely fits that bill. It's much more rich of a topic than at first glance.

Speaker 1: 2:25

So we really had a wide ranging conversation. We got geeky with some of the ways that water can and has been studied. We discussed the limitations of biochemistry to explain water and we broadened the paradigm. We talked about homeopathy. We talked about plant-based versus animal diets. We talked about the idea that water has memory. We talked about how structured water, even structured water that has not been filtered, can protect us from toxins in the water and, as funny as it may sound, water seems to have this intelligence to our awareness of what we need and what we don't need. We even talked about how the structuring unit I have in our shower took away the taste and smell of chlorine. And I'm asking him like how in the world does this happen? We talked about the idea of having to digest water in order to be able to use it. We talked about water's role in detoxifying and some stories of really dramatic healing from some of what he's seen doing this work for as long as he has in the realm of cancer and in kidney disease. We discussed really having a respect for the aging process and some realistic time frames for healing. We talked about how much water to drink, how long structured water might stay structured, and we even talked about how the powers that be, not surprisingly, don't want some of water's secrets or properties to be revealed, or they want to keep them from going mainstream, and I'll let him surprise you with which company you may have heard of that's doing things just like that. So this interview really it's a great mix of ideas to stretch your thinking and some good practical underpinnings to help you really think practically about your relationship to something that we all kind of take for granted, which is water. So put your thinking caps on and prepare to have your mind blown. My hope really is that at the end, this interview encourages you that one of the solutions to better health might be easier and less complicated than you think so.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Without further ado, here is my interview with Jonathan Butts. All right, hello everyone, welcome to today's episode. My guest is Jonathan Butts and he is the CEO of Natural Action Technologies. And so some fascinating background on this guy. He graduated from the Naval Nuclear Power Program in the mid 1990s and began a career in industrial machine design. In the last 20 years, he has designed, built and tuned hundreds of large scale machines serving several different industries Quite impressive the automotive, agricultural, steel, aeronautics and aerospace industries.

Speaker 1: 4:46

And then this next sentence is when I want to come back to you because I'm I sort of understand it. But so in 2007, john began evaluating water for use as a supplementary efficiency improver in thermal processes so improving the efficiency of water and related to temperature somehow and then began designing and building water plasma generators. So during the process, over the next five years, he observed remarkable properties and behaviors within water while analyzing it, and the realization from his observations led him to shift focus to biological functions, with water always being the primary regulator of electricity. Interesting. And then he began, or he recognizes water as a fundamental ingredient in all matter in life. In 2010, he helped start Natural Action Tech and became the CEO and owner in 2018 and founder of the American Water Trust in 2020. So, john, what a fascinating background you have. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Speaker 2: 5:42

Oh, it's great to be here. It's been fun and exciting and I think at a young age I got onto a lot of this stuff and it's kept life exciting and kind of gives you a rabbit hole to always run down.

Speaker 1: 5:55

And I know every time you study nature and any depth, your mind continues to be blown at what you don't know. So before we start geeking out on water, just tell us a bit about your origin story. How did you end up at the Naval Nuclear Program and how did that lead you into studying water?

Speaker 2: 6:10

I think that one just came from wanting to get a better education than was offered conventionally. My dad was an industrial chemist who turned engineering contractor and so he built machines, so custom machines for steel metallurgy. So there's that whole background. Right From a really young age I was kind of surrounded by that. And then on the flip side, you know, I was always more of study the atom, study the universe and how it works.

Speaker 2: 6:40

From a really young age I didn't think it was odd back at the time, but I guess, looking back on it, not too many kids are interested in discussing unified modeling, you know, at 10 years old. But my dad did a good job at kind of admitting that science really doesn't know a lot of this stuff and you got to go figure it out yourself. So one way to go figure it out was OK, nuclear power is seriously more efficient than any other form of power generation we do Maybe besides hydroelectric power plants. So I just wanted to know firsthand how all that worked. You know, to me it was fascinating that a softball size rock could power a city for a few years, you know. So I wanted to really get the reality of that and see if that was in the future at all.

Speaker 1: 7:26

Wow, and how did that lead you into studying water then?

Speaker 2: 7:30

Water, I think for me was more of a fishing nature type thing. So I was also grew up on a river, in a canyon, so fishing and watching water. But I never was able to tie it to science because really the science didn't address anything that the water was doing. And also nuclear power is regulated by water in the types of plants that we worked on. So water was always in the picture, right. And then you start to think about it and you're like, well, no matter what you do and how you do it, if there's going to be power there's going to be water present, or biology, there's going to be water present. So you know, no big surprise there.

Speaker 2: 8:08

But it was kind of a surprise to me that water was the sole regulator of a thermal nuclear reactor, not other reactors. But what that means is if you lose your cooling and your radiation shielding via burning steam, the reactor shuts itself down. So it's inherently safer type of reactor because if water isn't present it won't run when the other reactors kind of run away with too much heat when the water turns to steam. So some design principle there and how things are done and the smart way to do it and how water. You know water is the most effective radiation blocker.

Speaker 2: 8:44

So when they shield the primary plant you got to tank about four feet of water around the reactor and it does well with neutrons and gamma and you know all the different types of you know radiation that are present, whereas like metals, only like a few metals were good on neutrons and other ones don't. And so all these other elements are not diverse in their radiation blocking ability. But water is actually pretty phenomenal with it, and something we didn't learn back then in the nuclear power but we know now is that when you subject water to radiation it begins to transform itself to block it more, so it's more phylogical. So that's the real cool part, that's the second half of the water study. Is this stuff's alive or intelligent or conscious or something, or all three of those? And we don't really understand how it responds because it's a bit more intelligent than we are.

Speaker 1: 10:15

Well, so one of the things I did in kind of researching to understand this interview or just get my head around the concept of structured waters. You have a series on your site called Structured Water Is it worth the hype? And I think you were responding to an article about that particular topic. But I guess let me see if I can lay some some conceptual scaffolding here, because, as you know, as we as humans, we go through the life and we have this mental framework or these stories or these narratives we use to frame reality and sometimes, like for me at least, I ran into this topic of water and I didn't quite have the structure to understand it. And one of the things you pointed out was that when we talk about water, typically we talk about it almost strictly from the biochemistry angle. We think of it as H2O, it's OK, we know the chemistry of it and it's solid, liquid and gas and we kind of stop there and we feel like we've defined it.

Speaker 1: 11:02

And what I liked about your article is you almost like you helped me look at the elephant from different angles. I'm not just looking at the butt, I'm looking at from the side or the top or the front and and really almost like one of the things. I interviewed Andreas Kalker and as I started looking into his work, he talked about, I think, of chlorine dioxide as a biochemistry equation and he really he's a biophysicist, he looks at chlorine dioxide from a physics and he says really everything is more about voltage. And I think I picked up similar themes reading through your work and my understanding is you look at water from not just from biochemistry but from magnetism and electricity as well, more in a biophysics puzzle, which was fun because it gave me new scaffolding to our new pegs to hang information on.

Speaker 1: 11:47

And we kind of think of we know, everybody knows the term EMF, electromagnetic frequencies and we know that those things are real. We see lightning and we know the compass works, or we we have a cell phone that somehow is transmitting signals. We know we put water in the microwave it gets hot. So there's something else Magnetism, and there's electricity and there's chemistry. And if we step back and we can appreciate water from that lens, it helps us, I guess, more broadly appreciate what water is. So I guess one did I. Is that a reasonable frame from which to begin the discussion or is there anything you'd add to that?

Speaker 2: 12:21

It's super reasonable. I would go on to say that no matter what science field you're in, if you're not proper with your basic electromagnetic physics then you are going to struggle your entire career to properly explain what's going on from terms of biological health. You know from construction, from engineering, a lot of things that we think are electromagnetically inert. They're absolutely not. And since the Wi-Fi and the cell phones, you know everything is subject to being an antenna. Those vibrations are rattling and everything, especially metal, because it's a conductor, so it doesn't really resist, it absorbs all that vibration and you can actually measure it on things like when you get a root canal. That antenna is a pretty good size, the right size for picking up millimeter waveforms and harmonics. So you know anybody with a piece of metal in their body that's short, you know you're going to pick up those wavelengths like a lot more than somebody else. So your worldview changes when you realize everything is connected almost as a solid but then separates through. You know what we would call the manifest world or the more biological world, and most of that separation done is actually by water. I mean you really don't see biological life without water.

Speaker 2: 13:48

And when you're talking about a cell, which is the first ordinate unit, even if it's a cancer cell or an algae cell, not a lot going on inside, as far as you know, eukaryotic biological cell of a human being. Right, there's not a whole lot of DNA going on there yet, but there is, and the current understanding of all this is going to come down that the RNA DNA root foundation is actually probably in water, not in the protein, and it's water that forms the protein to begin with. So if you just had a cup of water, then in the right circumstances are present and it's not what people think the dark will form life initially a lot easier than the light will. The light will the sun will kill a lot of things that aren't ready to come about yet. So you know, kind of like the womb of all matter. That's where I would go with it in the end.

Speaker 1: 14:41

OK, well, let's step back and try to define our terms, because I've, as I've studied or looked into this topic of structured water one, I found a bunch of different terms. So there's things like structured, obviously, there's hexagonal, there's crystalline, magnetic, ionized, functional, there's even levitated, and I found living, which was interesting because it made me think of the Bible. I looked it up. I think there's about 10 times the Bible says living water and I thought, well, shoot, did I? Maybe I read over that, maybe there was something more to it. Like I could have left the adjective out, it could have said cold or tasty or any number of things, but it said living water. So both are basically what I understand. Is those? All the different terms I just listed, are just different ways of people looking at the elephant, looking at water from different angles, trying to describe what they're observing. But essentially it's more structure or it's just a recognition that there's more to water than what we had. Is that right?

Speaker 2: 15:31

Yeah, more coherence is the implication of structured water. However, structured is such a generic term that's. All they're implying is that they're changing the structure so it's more coherent or more organized or more, and that is true, but there's no magnitude in that, right, it's just generic. It's kind of like you know what does that mean, right? And if we start talking about fractal antennas, that that's structured water, that it becomes a fractal antenna and you can measure the fractality, then structured water starts taking on an actual definition, right, where it's becoming more articulate rather than more confusing.

Speaker 1: 16:10

OK, got it Well. One of the definitions I think I read in your work was you defined it, so we'll probably just use the term structured water as we go forward, just to be it's fine. But yeah, so you refer to it as water with a structure that's been altered to form a hexagonal cluster, and this cluster of water molecules is believed to share similarities with water that one hasn't been polluted or contaminated by human process. So it's kind of like a two part definition. There's the there's a hexagonal structure that you can observe, and the second is not polluted or manipulated. Is that? Is that overly simplistic? Anything you'd add to that definition?

Speaker 2: 16:45

Well, there's more than just hexagonal. The hexagonal is probably just on the exterior and what Gerald Pollock calls the easy layer. So that's like let's call that an eggshell right, and that's the force field around the body of water that always takes the shape of the container.

Speaker 1: 17:00

OK.

Speaker 2: 17:01

And then when water is frozen it hits its maximum at about 30 percent hexagonal, as it is frozen right, and so it takes a leap when it freezes and jumps up in that number. So hexagonal water is a portion of the structure of the water and the higher degree you have of that hexagonal lattice, probably the more structure in one degree. But that doesn't mean that's better for the application. So you cannot say more structure is better. Or you might be able to say more coherence is better for biology for life.

Speaker 2: 17:33

But if I was using an industrial process I might not see the coherence is important. I might want to program that water just to be a better solvent right, which is different than biological water. So now we start getting into, like, diversity of water and its purpose, role and function and actually in my experience, if you do it, if you teach or train or ask the water properly, you can get it to do some things that science would say is completely impossible and all you have to do is just be gentle and incremental and do what you would do if it was a person in your changes. Right, I want to go from benching 180 pounds to 300. How do I do that with water? Right, it's the same way you do with the human being. It's a couple pounds a day, with a lot of rest and being patient and eventually you'll get there. And that's precisely what I saw with water in and industrial development.

Speaker 1: 18:26

Wow, ok, so give me some examples. And so what are some of the things you have done to, or tinker with, or how do you kindly nudge water to behave in a particular way?

Speaker 2: 18:36

It's really simple. So let's just say I wanted conductivity in the water. Which conduct? Water doesn't have much conductivity, it's more of what they call dielectric, meaning it can stop flow or allow flow based on the conditions around it. It's kind of a dielectric like a semiconductor Same way our computers work. Right, it's the same electrical physics going on there. It's a crystal, but this is fluid, so it's always changing and it's changing to its inputs and environment. Right, it's not pinned down or isolated so much like a computer crystal. So let's just say I wanted it to be more conductive and didn't want to put something in it to make it conductive. But I had to start that way.

Speaker 2: 19:23

So we put two pounds of a salt conductor in the water. Well, what I can do is take that two pounds and make it 1.9 the next week and 1.8 the next week, and the electrodynamics or the electrochemistry would say that the water will conduct X with X amount of sodium hydroxide in or whatever salt we want to put in, it doesn't matter. And we get 10 amps of current. Well, after a month of training it, letting it rest. So you change the parameters, let it rest for 24 hours, come back the next day, run it again, you could probably get from what would have been required to be like 10 pounds. You can probably get it down to about one pound. So now you start to see this behavior of mass reduction and violation of the bandwidth of the laws that are created by our conventional chemistry and physics right, and it's not that people haven't known for a long time, it's just, with the way our society is, that would become secret in a corporation and misinformation created about it to protect it. So you could benefit from that idea and you would. If you're the people who mine the earth and sell the material you're never going to want to tell people about like homeopathic process and the role that water plays in that right. But it goes beyond like just you know medicine for yourself. You can do it with equipment too. The same principle is there. It's just intention and water, and if you approach it correctly this is more unified physics, I think, but water just displays it overtly Then you can make changes that aren't possible and efficient and achieve efficiencies that aren't possible but that would take special knowledge to demonstrate, but it's very repeatable stuff. And then the demonstration of water and its vapor form visually with a person present is a no brainer. So you're already getting exposed in the presence of these situations where you can start doing the really obvious, weirder stuff, which is not true of like drinking water, biologics or water cleanup as much as like stuff like this.

Speaker 2: 21:36

This we're talking about extremely powerful substances in the water, vapor and implosion properties, which I've always been curious because they teach. All they teach is explosion right, which is separation mechanics, and they never really spend any time on implosion. And nor did I read a lot growing up about any industrial process that really used implosion. I heard about it like when tanks cool down too soon and crumple. The tank will crumple like a pop can when you cool it down too fast. Or like when you get a phase change from a vapor to a liquid. You know, with water that's about an 1817 hundred fold change in volume. So steam to a water droplets about one in 1750.

Speaker 2: 22:24

And ironically I can reference another thing. Most people don't think about this. But if you go mechanical and we rip down the universe into its building blocks, the building block of the universe is the electron and that exists by probability. So you start out with half of the time it's there, half of the time the electron is not there, then you end up with the neutron and the proton forming the atom, surrounded by this electron cloud. And the neutron and the proton, whichever one it's going to be, is about the exact same relationship as a drop of water to steam or water vapor. Water vapor actually is a little bit more than steam in the charge sense, it's 1850. Steams about 1744, I think, right around 1700. And in the end, when you look at this scenario, the electron to the proton is the same thing as a drop of water to its transformation into steam, wise. And then there's a weight, one in 1800, two that's inverse of the volume, right?

Speaker 1: 23:31

So you definitely brought the biophysics angle back into the topic of water. It's not just this chemical reaction, it's there's. I love that there's so much depth in the ways we can look at this, and so let me see if I can clarify one other term. You mentioned plasma. That was the sentence I read earlier that didn't quite have my head around. I think it was you that said plasma. Sometimes it's the term we use when we don't quite know what we're looking at. So what is water plasma? What's a water plasma generator?

Speaker 2: 23:59

So that it's very simple. It's similar to Faraday electrolysis, except you don't separate the gases like get away from the separation technology, right. So if you just they call it common ducted electrolysis, and what you observe in this situation is if you don't overpower the water, right, the water becomes aggressive and destructive if you try and extract more by force out of it. So if you use finesse to phase, change the water. So what happens is is when you put voltage across the water, it only needs about it only needs millivolts for certain reactions. We've actually verified. So. But if you want it to happen right now, like a mechanic industry, I'm going to step on the gas and I want to go. It takes about 1.3 volts. You actually run a little bit more nap, not a cover for conventional electrical losses and then the there's water bubbles that go to the plates, which is conventionally referred to as hydrogen and oxygen. And but these the bubbles were really after form straight out of the water in the in the overlap period between the two opposing charges. So two charges can oppose that, oppose each other. That would normally create a short or dissolve each other by an explosion or by draining all the energy out of the system, like if you short a battery out right, a big spark in the battery is dead. All of a sudden train your battery fast. So basically what happens here? If you treat water as a battery and you go gentle with it and you let it rest, as we talked about, it keeps transforming to more and more efficiency and then it gets stuck in a trans transition state between a vapor and a liquid, and that's what we call plasma is the transition between phases.

Speaker 2: 25:57

Science hasn't defined it this way, but I'll take it from them and just do it, because it's ridiculous that we can't come to a simple conclusion that that word really doesn't mean anything and marketing likes to make it think it. You know, like quantum, oh, like, defining something is something new. Quantum is nothing new. You know it should be sub quantum and marketing, because we're actually trying to define things that we can't. Plasma is one of them and a transition you can't define because it's always changing. You can define, you can describe the method of change, but you can't really define what state it's in, because it's in a non state. Some physicists claim that it's in a pure electronic state, meaning everything is electron, electronic at that point in electron. But then unfortunately, like, then you have to define the electron to know what that is. And since the electrons only half there and half not there, we can only define it half of the time. That's no definition at all. That's a guess.

Speaker 1: 26:53

Right, yeah, okay Well there you go. I guess what I like is that you've allowed for mystery to stay in the equation and to recognize our limitations as humans. To understand all this complexity and our reductionist thinking doesn't always work.

Speaker 2: 27:07

Yeah, sometimes we've got to realize there's stuff that's beyond our perception and there always will be, and if there's not, life would be terrible.

Speaker 1: 27:15

Right, okay. Well let's stick with some of the, I guess, what we can observe and define. So one of the ways I think I've heard water described or differentiating what we're calling structured water from others is just there's the way that water moves naturally and then there's pressurized water. So is that a framework we can work with, just to kind of start getting more into.

Speaker 2: 27:36

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 27:36

Okay, great. So one of the books I'm sure you've read or heard about is by Andreas Schultz. It's called Water Crystals Making the Quality of Water Visible. And so, as you I'm sure you know, he went all over the world trying just collecting natural water samples and tap water samples, and what he found was that tap water anywhere in the world, always when he was able to crystallize it, exhibited right angle structures, which was interestingly the same shape that the blood of cancer patients would have. And then natural water from some sort of natural source would always have 60 degree angles and look more like snowflake. So one did I capture that? Did I oversimplify it, or is there anything you'd add to that frame of his? Because I think we might be able to use that to talk about it further.

Speaker 2: 28:25

No, I think that's the. That is the obvious baseline. That is not complicated and simple and the pattern that showed up universally within certain constraints right, which means ultimately the right angle pattern means the water has been under stress for a long time and not allowed to move or interact with the environment in the normal way it would. I think that's fair.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Okay, great. So I guess one of the things I think I remember you saying was the best filtered water If it doesn't have this structure we're talking about. When we consume that water, we it still can't pass on as a whole host of benefits that normally would have and offer us that pressurized water doesn't. Did I capture that?

Speaker 2: 29:09

Yeah, I think the body has to work. So you could drink any water, even, like you know, mud, puddle water, and if that's all, you had the body figure out how to get that straightened out. But the point is is you're loading your front, loading the body, and if you're already struggling biologically and this may be some of the very reason for it is that our water supply I mean, that was Schauburger's statement is that if you get water wrong all over the globe, you're going to breed this energy of sickness in water. For being so Schauburger used to say so ignorant of the respective nature and how nature works, will eventually it'll turn back on you and basically said a hundred years from now, cancer is going to run rampant. And he didn't even have a good definition of cancer. That was just degradation. Energy is what you know he was referring to.

Speaker 1: 30:02

Okay.

Speaker 2: 30:03

So and it turned out to get named cancer in the end in the conventional sense, right? So you'd be hard pressed to get American family that doesn't know somebody in the family that's had cancer, right, I'd say that's getting up in the upper 90%.

Speaker 1: 30:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:17

So a hundred years later Schauburger turns out to be pretty correct. And then 2000 was Schultz's work, right around late 90s. Basically, he found a way to explain what Schauburger was saying in a simple way Given, we get rid of the bad. The other thing is is look at the beauty and the structure of the water. When you look at it, when it's freed up, like you know, it looks like vegetation, like the six sided, or looks like natural, like our water. Through the portable test it out and it came out looking like a sea urchin on most of quartz crystals and, without irony, like we use quartz as an amplifier in our flow form recipe. So it's like oh, this is kind of interesting, you know.

Speaker 1: 31:04

Okay, so tell me that. What is the significance of 60 degree angles versus 90 degree angles? Why does that matter? What's the characteristics that differentiate the two?

Speaker 2: 31:15

I think the 90 degree angles are the weakest, squares are the weakest and triangles are the strongest. So when you go to build a building right, if you build it without triangles, you're going to be in trouble, even though, like good the squares. I'm not trying to knock logic. The square would represent a very logical sense of being. But I think the important thing is more circular or radial or coming out from center right, rather than the always hanging on a sharp measurement like 60 degrees, but that what that tells you is the electric and the magnetic forces are more in balance. That when you see a square, that's more the electric forces are dominating and that means it was under pressure from the outside too much and the magnetism or growth was too weak. So growth is stuffed by the outside pressure. Right, it's like being on the bottom of the ocean you get squeezed too hard. So there's, I guess we would need to understand the simplicity of the polarity of electrodynamics at the deepest level. So we'll. This is where Steinmetz and Tesla basically defined it by behavior, and I can give a couple other cute examples to kind of see how this gets messed up in our science. But magnetism is circles, going outward is the primary role. And electric is lines of force perpendicular, constraining the circle, and the two of those are there, present all the time, and both of them can move in both directions. So we end up with the. In order to be logical about the fundamental forces of the universe, we need to say magnetic is outward growth in a round form and you know, when it gets off balance between the two, it renders a shape that's different. So the square usually represents over logic and non biological and it's weaker in its structure. And then you get to the hexagonal and you can see with graphene and you'll see in the future, all this like super strong, strong stuff is going to come out like plant based graphene and regular graphene, and those are hexagonal layer structures similar to what you would see in the exterior of the water, maybe like to lesser degree in the interior, and pieces. So yeah, that's the difference the squares.

Speaker 2: 33:41

The squares are basically foundational pieces and so if you look at cells and cellular behavior, when we take cells all the way back to the beginning, it behaves like cancer, like algae, like cancer, you know. And algae, cells and fungal cells are very similar and part of the understanding. So you go all the way back to the beginning of life and its algae formation. And it's, you got square water and you got no oxygen present, right. And then when the oxygen comes, the cells all of a sudden change and then they start to get like instruction or articulation or coherence, to form all these cells, like algae or whatever now form a coherent being, or they just rapidly divide, right. So cancer is the rapidly divide. So you start to see the correlation with the square right. That's all the way back at the beginning is breed life, read life, just read life. We need more of it and then as it articulates, the shapes articulate.

Speaker 1: 34:39

So they sound to me like a like. I think of a beehive. Like that they beehives. They develop as hexagonal structures tacked next to each other.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Natural energy balance of. So six is considered the balance balance point. Five is considered transition. Four is considered foundation. Three is the manifest of matter, the beginnings of it, but it takes four to do it to get in three dimensions. So the mystery schools and the Pythagoras schools teach all this. You count with three dimensional shapes, starting with the tetrahedron, which is a four sided object with four points right. So there's your logic and your first three dimensional shape. So that's kind of what's going on with water. In my opinion, when you see the squares is it's been stressed so long and so hard that it goes back to step one. In theory, we're looking at a two dimensional crystal picture, right, it's square and it's two dimensions and basically the universe doesn't start counting that way, so it's stuck somewhere in the middle of struggle and back to the beginning of the struggle, right, where everything's stuck and can't form complex life.

Speaker 1: 35:51

Got it. Well, one of the things when I was trying to conceive of how I would even explain this to somebody I was trying to think of, I almost pictured this, this structure, this hexagonal structure, more like a conduit, and I kind of thought of like a, the square structure, almost like a racquetball court like there's. The acoustics in there are terrible and it just it's not pleasing to the ear, the sound just bouncing everywhere. It's like it doesn't. And I thought I compared that to like the Acropolis or somewhere where the acoustics have been like there, the whole structure of the building, or that the place is designed to woo sound, to travel over greater distances.

Speaker 1: 36:25

And I kind of said you, when you describe the pressure that water is under in the pipes when we have the pressurized faucets, to me that was more that was the racquetball court. It's just it bounces around and more of an echo chamber than it is a great conduit and the water coming out of that is still kind of maintaining some of that, I guess right angle structure and as one am I totally out in left field. Does that make sense or is that a?

Speaker 2: 36:49

good. No, you're, you're right. And I mean the water has an inertia. I think is important to say here that it develops a memory and a timing of things. It's way easier to unstick than it is to get stuck. So if water is decent it can go through.

Speaker 2: 37:07

Maybe it's hard, to hard to say here what the actual magnitude factors are, but it can go through quite a bit of pressure before it totally kind of loses its coherence, right. So it can take a beating. So it's not like you know six feet of straight pipe or even 500 feet of straight pipes going to take good water and wreck it if you pump it. But it will start losing out right. It's kind of like it's like the brakes. Your water's cruising along, real good, and all of a sudden something starts to seize or bind like a bearing and the car will start to drag and slow down. Right, if we use that analogy it doesn't mean it's totally ruined, right.

Speaker 2: 37:47

And then if you have water that short cycled and this is what Chaubert or we're saying if you do this for 100 years and keep shorting the cycle, you're going to end up with deserts, droughts, dynamic weather, very extreme weather has nothing to do with global warming.

Speaker 2: 38:03

It has to do with losing your buffer, like all your shocks just went out on the globe, because we're so populated and pumping water and using it so much like not really not using it as a sacred, discrete element. We're just kind of pounding it around like a chemical everywhere in a commodity, right. So it takes time to cause the severity of this, and we've been doing it for a long time and we didn't know how fast you could undo it. But in different levels it looks like you can really undo it fast and that's part of what you know the technology is is learning how to undo this stuff and then get it back like Mountain Spring mature right. Really different deal than let's just say all right, yes, this water is structured, but how does it compare to a high quality Mountain Stream? You know it's not the same still. So what else is going on and how do we achieve that right? That's where the story goes.

Speaker 1: 39:01

Okay, well, you mentioned water. Having this electrical charger, this is like a conduit to carry energy through it, so it almost picture like it sounds like a battery of sorts. It's is it storing energy as well?

Speaker 2: 39:14

Yes, it can store. It can store immense amounts and it can also hide them from our conventional electro dynamic instrumentation. And I did a lot to demonstrate this with the plasma systems too, which are more like demonstration of cold fusion than they are like a typical heat source. They work more like a laser than they do like a flame. And then going back from here to the liquid liquids involved in this process, where you can try and measure the energy in the water by conventional electrodynamic instruments, but you won't see it. But you will see it if you start to go into the plasma transition from the ether to the electrodynamics, right, and then there even becomes a pole in the ether.

Speaker 2: 40:06

So once you allow for fractioning or dipoles, which kind of has to be to explain things, to get to that four point of logic, you start to work with subtle energies of this nature that mirror the electrodynamics or invert with the electrodynamics. So, let's say, magnetism in the sub quantum world may turn in condensing to electricism in the physical world when it manifests. And that's exactly what you would see. And science well knows about this birth, concentration, the birth of matter, right, matter isn't, doesn't, doesn't always exist, it's always in transition, coming and going and some is more stable than others, right, so that's a good thing to learn is that, if transmutation is one piece and manifestation is another and water plays a role in this that in the future you can completely reduce stuff like bring in new atoms of the liver, because the atoms at the liver are not the same atoms as the atoms that are lying on the concrete and on the ground. That makes sense.

Speaker 1: 41:18

Maybe I thought to put my head around that for a while, but you mentioned this idea that water is hiding something in electricity, but I've also heard it said that water water that's structured. Somebody told me that doesn't actually need to be filtered because the structure of the water can do some of the work, protecting you from the contaminants in the water. Is that similar to what you're saying, or give me your thoughts on that? Was that a crazy idea?

Speaker 2: 41:41

Yeah, no, it's not crazy. I mean I wouldn't give the advice to go test it out to your random person, but we've had numerous people test it with flow form technology. I've tested it myself. You wouldn't know until you like kind of like a race car. You don't know how fast it is until you spin it out, right Till you wreck it right. You don't know where the limit is. If you don't have that experience with that particular track and car, water is kind of the same. You'd have to actually make people sick by it and then look at the threshold.

Speaker 2: 42:13

So this is not advice, but this is something that triggered Andreas Schultz to do the research he did is he was super curious why water in nature that biologically, both with you know coliforms and living things in it and bacteria and all this stuff and heavy metal, poisoning and and and kind of leads back to what I've mentioned earlier about the atoms are not the same all over. Science is mistaken for defining, you know, an atom as this one thing that does x, and then we get to the evolutionary point you know where the water itself doesn't have this stuff in it but it makes people unhealthy or drunk in the long term. So you drink water that scientifically or biologically considered poisonous or unhealthy and compared to perfectly pure water, the person drinking the pure water in the long term develops very acute health condition trouble, and the water that should be making you sick is might actually be making that person healthier, even though we don't have a definition for what that actually is. Reason being is, if water senses, a water's primary job is to pick up nutrients and it does not see poison. We see poison. Water is sees everything as a nutrient.

Speaker 2: 43:39

This is my final take on what water is and it isn't. And if you, if it's poisonous to you, the water won't deliver it to you. It's not a nutrient, it's a poison. And just like it goes in your body and cleans up poisons out of your body, which is everything you eat, a lot of what you breathe in your body turns this into usable energies, let's just say, rather than atoms, and then the rest stays in and gets put off as sweat or out your urine or goes out your digestive system, however right, and the water is binding that. So water becomes Velcro for toxins when it's working good and is able to read the environment of the body that it's in, whether it's, you know, a snake or a human being or the side of a mountain.

Speaker 2: 44:23

As far as I'm concerned, it's all biological. There is no non organic physics. In reality, when you really get down there's the earth is a living organism, every part of it's alive and and it hosts living organisms, just like our bodies host living organisms when there is a full circle of respect going on there, with all the beings that live on it human beings being the exception, and all the critters that live on our body right. So you start to see a similarity there, with water being the communicator inside and outside. Now you start getting definitions for like the description of God and all religions, and then the greatest philosophers always said that the planets are floating in a less dense form of water. But make no mistake, it's water. So what we have in the end of this whole equation is is that water is most likely in its living state, the physical manifest of the ether or all that brings matter or life forward. So you basically get the definition of God in a physical form, and it's not male or female.

Speaker 1: 45:30

Yeah, you weren't expecting that when you talk about water, weren't you? But here you are, okay, well, so I got a similar puzzle then, so help me with this one. So Ty did an interview, todd Shipman, I don't know if a year and a half ago, whatever it was, and we talked about structured water and he recommended getting a structured unit for the shower and so I got one and I've two, three things I observed. One is, I could say, psychosomatic the water just feels different. It's almost tingly when it comes out. But two things I did notice. He said see, if you're in Florida, we get this like pink mold, I guess, and around the little tack strips on the floor there was this pink mold ring around that.

Speaker 1: 46:05

We put that structured unit in the shower and that disappeared. And then we can. I can go like I fill up our burky with a pitcher of water and if I turn on the tap to fill that up, it's like like I walked into a hotel pool room or something. It's got a very strong smell of chlorine. And I realized months later I turned on the shower structuring unit and there's none. I don't smell any chlorine in there at all and the water tastes good, like the water to come out of the kitchen sink is like I don't want to drink that. The water coming out of the shower is like I want to drink it, and maybe I'm crazy, but what in the world is happening in my shower?

Speaker 2: 46:41

Just just a good example of what you talked about, that the, so the chlorine pathway of transformation is accelerated. Usually that's the type of technology we would look at in the ethers. A North Pole would be an accelerator, right. So there's a little North Pole in there going to work on the chlorine. But bigger factor is the water's basically surrounding it, just like what you talked about the water.

Speaker 2: 47:10

The water is capable of making a gel. You might feel this in the shower a little bit too, that you can actually feel like a slickness to the water that's not there prior to that. And Gerald Pollock talks about this, the easy layer of the gel water. There's actual pictures a single cell formation out of water which the outer cell wall, this really gentle cell wall that water builds out of itself to begin to form life and then later concrete itself into a polysaccharide or a carbohydrate or a protein right, mostly protein, because that's what forms matter in the biological senses. The protein carbohydrate gives the energy to the protein system to run itself. So very much so.

Speaker 2: 47:58

You see the clobbering of the chlorine by this gel water which oxidizes it and stabilizes it. Swimming pools you could, you could go in a swimming, put a unit on a swimming pool, wait about an hour and go back in and at shock levels of chlorine you can open your eyes under the pool and like at shock levels and normally you can't keep your eyes open. In this case there's still a little burn, right, but you could swim underwater with your eyes open. We're doing this to test the effects of chlorine and whatnot. How fast it responded. So to get down into the exact pathology of the chemistry and atomics like takes forever to do that. We just really learned to study the whole right, the whole system.

Speaker 1: 48:46

Right. Well, thank you one for confirming I'm not crazy and that there's actually some way to explain that. I'm not just imagining it doesn't smell or taste like chlorine anymore, but something's different.

Speaker 2: 48:56

So that's about everybody. A lot of people won't just structure and go drink, but the shower I would say it's 95%. It's usually women who pick it up right away that this water is not the same at all.

Speaker 1: 49:08

Yeah, no, it's definitely different. So, okay, a couple of other things I want to ask you. So there's this idea you've mentioned before that water can communicate information somehow, and that made me think of homeopathy and the kind of the. What we would think to be illogical or upside down. The kind of reality of the way homeopathy works is the more diluted the substance is, the more potent it becomes. So what is being communicated by the? It made me think like water is doing more of the work here than whatever the substance is. Is that likely? What I'm understanding now? Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 49:40

That's the whole point of all of it is it's not for everybody, but basically you can use almost nothing and get better results out of medicine than if you use the full physical form. But there's a mixture of that. So I don't want to say that like in the end, oh, you just use water for medicine, and that'll be a reality in the future. It'll be probably more 50-50 or 60-40, 70-30 would be probably more the masterful type, people who aren't consuming as much material and begin to transform into energetic medicine, which is the same thing you're going to see with all this EMF stuff, the EMF pads, all that stuff.

Speaker 2: 50:23

But the problem is is everybody's trying to get a measurement out, which is an outward radiation? Right, it's a force going outward, which is fine. But the reality is this information is all tucked inward and so you don't measure it in the EMF. So you have to start studying what we would call the energy world or the ethyrical world, and that's where the real marketplace is transitioning to, which means less is more and you don't mind the earth and consume everything and strip everything down and run out of everything, which is getting to be the case because that's the way it's taught and sold. It's not really the case. If you apply the true physics that you and I are discussing today, if you apply that, then the problems begin to resolve themselves and you get out of the way of nature.

Speaker 1: 51:15

Right.

Speaker 2: 51:16

You let the canyon wiggle right and you don't dig a straight canal anymore, because you realize the straight line is the lowest quality way, the fastest way, is the shortcut in the lowest quality way. Right, because water and the ecosystem is revered for the primary energy driver that we all live on right, right.

Speaker 1: 51:37

Well, it sounds like we dramatically underestimated how good what we call living water can actually be at healing the body and we're looking for everything else but something the most foundational thing maybe we could be looking at is our water, and we've dismissed or under-evaluated how much water can help us heal. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2: 51:59

Yeah, I would say that's true for the entire planet and that's our universal reality in many senses. So you know, the work is to kind of get it back that way. The work that you're doing, I'm doing, a lot of other people doing, is going whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't forget about the water being the foundational piece, because you all know what happens if you have a bad foundation, right, and ignorance of that foundation is a bad foundation. You have to be aware of what your foundation can handle right, what it was designed for, where you're at with it for real, right. So a lot of people just pile on all these supplements and stuff to try and get out of their symptoms, and I'm not saying those supplements are bad and don't work. I'm just saying without, water is a foundational piece of how those substances are delivered and interpreted by the body, you're probably knocking off 30% efficiency at a minimum, right? So it just makes life easier.

Speaker 1: 52:53

Yeah, no, because one of the things I've been studying relentlessly lately is the concept of detoxification, and I realized that everything that exits our body has to do so through the medium of water, and yet so few people even want to talk about it or doesn't even make it into most of the detox protocols I'm looking at and I'm thinking there's probably nothing more foundational than getting that right, so the water can do more of the work and you can save money on supplements or whatever else you want to be doing.

Speaker 2: 53:18

Yeah, that's my medicine cabinet's. Absolutely, I don't have like plates and dishes, it's full of herbs, but they've been there for like 10 years. Because I don't really use a mount. Right, I start that's not to say I won't load something in in the beginning, right, I may load it really hard for a week and see how the body behaves with an overload of it.

Speaker 2: 53:39

All right, gives me a better communication with the substance through already my body, right. But then when I start reducing it back or amplifying the signals with, you know, magnetic reactor circuits or whatever, putting these vibrations into water, that's where you really start to see how your body can respond and there's leaps. And this is how water behaves too it won't respond, won't respond, won't respond. But if you just stick with it, then all of a sudden there's a step and bam, you're on the next step and you like, wake up, feeling it. Right, it's not always so gradual and sometimes it's just steady. Gradual where it takes two or three years to not only repair the body or the plant or the soil right, but to get it where it's running better than it ever did before.

Speaker 2: 54:26

And I think that's, that's what's exceptional. At 50 years old, you can be like hey, wait a minute, my joints are better than they were when I was 24. Yeah, because I've taken apart these. So when you start to question yourself, you can remember back and you can have more fun with life because you're not walking around all straight edge, you know, violating every one of your own rules, which might not even be the best for you anyways. Right, you know, like a lot of people are finding out the all vegetable diet, you just can't run from some of the toxicity that's occurring in plants and there's. It's really hard to grow correctly unless you know exactly who's growing it. So a lot of people are going back to meat because there's so much toxicity in the water and the vegetables. Right, Because they're mostly water. So you got to look at that equation again, right?

Speaker 1: 55:15

Right.

Speaker 2: 55:16

So what is? What is the water condition if that thing was grown with bogus water? But then you'll see people soak those vegetables in treated water and get a correction. So I've seen both sides of it right. But if you didn't know that, I've seen many, many people get sick, almost to the point where it was going to kill them on eating. You know veggie diets, all veggie.

Speaker 1: 55:37

And.

Speaker 2: 55:37

I'm not saying they were doing it right, they just probably jumped right into it and didn't have good stuff. And then they start to figure out the water or, like you talked about, oh, it's so foundational. So you know, being in this business for 14 years and talking directly to customers, I've seen so many cases where people like your water completely. With the thing that flipped me around, you know, I had cancer, I struggled with it and then I started drinking the water and the cancer cleared and like, and I'm like, no, I'm like that was the foundational piece you were missing. You were already doing all the other six or seven factors correctly, but you didn't have it on a good foundation. As soon as you slid that foundation in there, the system started to roll and you felt it right away. And then you got on the momentum and got out of the struggle right, which you know.

Speaker 2: 56:25

If that energy or inertia I call it, I call it water body inertia and that means if you've been doing this let's just say right angle, square pattern water in your body and it's and you've been doing that under the behind the scenes pattern to your body and you don't get out of that and you get stuck, that's also called chronic illness, stage four, stage five on the Dr Vols scale, which he measured with voltage in the Vega machine in the body and cross correlated Chinese acupuncture with Ayurvedic acupuncture and found both were correct and bolt together were more effective in treatment.

Speaker 2: 57:06

And that's going on in the water. So you accelerate your healing process and the and help change the water body inertia right. So it's not like you drink one glass and flip your whole water body inertia around. Your body is actually learned to operate in that square pattern. So you really don't want to undo these things really rapidly in the in the physical world. You want to be gentle and patient and maybe realize you'll probably be doing this fun healing stuff once you get some knowledge and tooling under you know, under your belt. You'll probably be doing this the rest of your life and it's fun.

Speaker 1: 57:44

Well it is, and I guess what I love about what you just said is as, being a health coach, I have to work with things that don't have instant oh, I took an aspirin to my headaches gone, or I did this and my reflex went away.

Speaker 1: 57:54

I have to actually work at building health and I have to manage people's expectation and get them prepared for healing over time and just accepting that the body takes time to do that. And if you break a bone, it doesn't heal in two days or two weeks. It takes as a process the body has to go through. And from earlier in our conversation you talk about being gentle and nudging water and being patient with it, and it's. It's all the same thing with healing recognizing that the you said two or three years. Ah, that's what a what a great way to take some pressure off of us. I'd have to heal in two weeks, like the marketing poster said, and I can just actually get good at patiently, tenderly, loving and caring for my body so that over time between me and this partnership with water and whatever else I'm doing, I can actually start to heal. That was, that was amazing.

Speaker 2: 58:39

That's perfect and that that that's a ideal summary you just gave to. What is the point of? Okay, what's the point of all this? Right? Well, the point is to enjoy life more and have more fun, and if your body's feeling good and communicating well with itself and with and then with other people, you'll communicate better with other people, right?

Speaker 2: 58:59

So it's it's kind of the inward journey, water. Water predisposes the inward journey to great depths, and then what comes back out of it is just very natural. That's. It's what it does when you take a good, deep in breath of good air, right, and that that's kind of how we look at water in the long, slower, heavier inertia. Right, it's heavy, it's heavy ether, right, but it's. But it's it's plasmatic too, meaning it's when it's alive. It's always in transition. So there there's the thing it's capable of changing, right? So how do you want it to change? What do you want to do with it beyond drink it and hydrate? Right, I want to be hydrated People. Well, I'm dehydrated, so I'm going to drink, and and I put electrolytes in there, so now I'm hydrated. Well, that's not really the be all end, all definition of hydration anymore, right?

Speaker 1: 59:48

Yeah, well, there's so much debate, like in the world of water.

Speaker 1: 59:51

There are so many different things that are marketed to us or promoted that we, if you do this, that or the other two water, you're going to have healthier body.

Speaker 1: 1:00:00

And so, from whether it's ionized water, or whether it's pH balanced water, or whether it's this particular filter or these minerals, or whether it's UV light or any different things, you and I, when we first talked, we I mentioned I wanted to kind of do an episode about the first principles in defining water, and you mentioned the water tree and how, if we get the foundation, well, like I'm imagining, the trunk is kind of this structured living water we're talking about and all the things we do to it after.

Speaker 1: 1:00:25

That may or may not be as relevant. If we can just recognize that the body has the innate intelligence, we can give it the best water we can give it and then be patient and practice the compound effect. Sure enough, the body can, can do what it's always been capable of doing and just be patient with it at that point, and which is a path to virtue, development and all sorts of other wonderful outcomes. But yeah, what a what a great way to frame water as what it. How much we've missed when we've looked into it before. Anything to add to that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:57

Well, I think the power of the human being and its soul and spirit structure, what you just talked about, if it's empowering, if you go that way, so if you start to use this in the context that you just put it, then you can accomplish a lot more. The mental side, right. So, people, you know I was a military guy, so there's a lot of mind over matter going on and that's pretty amazing stuff. But I also kind of had a hangover where I used my mind to really override the body and ignored the communication, and so, you know, you can shut off pain. I mean, it's very, it's a real thing. You can learn how to overcome pain in ways that human beings don't even understand and just keep going. But it's not wise, right. It may be a needed tool, the mind maybe a needed thing in these, in this course, right, but really it's get the mind out of the way.

Speaker 2: 1:01:53

It's the doubt of the mind that blocks you from receiving, or the disbelief and belief is nothing. That's that's. And then there's faith and then there's action and then there's knowledge. Right, that's the order of progress there. You believe it, you say you believe it because you don't know it, you've never done it, and then you have faith that, hey, there's a certain principle here that I subscribe to, that I don't believe it wouldn't work out right. And then then you have doing it. And at first, when you do it, you're not that good, so you usually fail, but your faith carries you on. And then when you have experience or success with it, then you have knowledge of it. So everybody's on that journey, no matter what you're doing or what you're facing. But in the end like, don't let your mind get in the way of what's going on.

Speaker 1: 1:02:46

If you don't know, admit you don't know and observe, and you might be surprised, what gets delivered to you if you just observe, right, oh my gosh, that too big as virtues I try to cultivate myself and my clients is curiosity and humility, and it goes such a long way to say, yeah, I don't know, but I'm curious to keep learning, because there's just layering this bio physics paradigm over so many topics instantly brings humility and a reason to be fascinated. So one of the things you mentioned in there was the idea that water kind of helps communicate, and I've heard people talk about memory that water has and you can, they've done experiments where they they remove something from water and then somehow later conditions right, the water reproduces something that was taken out and help us picture that is going on, like not just our thought, life and the traumas we've had and the things we remember, but there's, there's something actually in the water itself. So have you heard about the concept of water having memory?

Speaker 2: 1:03:44

Yeah, I tend to use the word inertia more. Okay, because a time time is a very kind of inconsistent thing. When we reference the 100 year life of a human being to you know the time that the universe has existed. So we claim to know things, I'm like. Well, we don't even live long enough to observe accurately, even as a species on record, to say what the million year cycle is, right? So we don't know about really slow cycles the Mayans talked about, you know really slow cycles of the galactic year, and then that that galaxy is rotating around a universal center, right? So we just we're just way off as far as having any real knowledge of of what goes on in the long term or what goes on when things get too fast that we can observe them, right? So once we get to about 10, to the negative ninth in time, nanoseconds, we're not accurate anymore. So that that we've learned out account in exponent to nine gets much beyond that. We're just totally lost mathematically and geometrically.

Speaker 2: 1:04:47

So what, what do we do now? Right, and we're, we're back to this no time situation where principles don't have time, they exist devoid of time, right? So water has these principles and so the memory I call an inertia which is kind of like a weight to it, and then it has like different layers of hiding places and I believe it's solidly connected to the ether, which is space, which has no property, which has no you can't measure anything, it doesn't have a dimension. That's why it's called space and that's the thing that connects all things. So in the end, like if you study religion and all these religions, the cruel joke is is that God is nothing, it's just what connects everything. And then when you look at the water, it's kind of the same thing Interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:05:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

It is. It is when we talk about matter, right? So this is where you, if you want to explore the spiritual and the religious world, whatever framework or matrix you have going on there, once you get out of that, it's undefinable. So what? At number nine, the natives called the walk in Tonka, I think, like the mystery, it always remains a mystery, which is how we opened. So what we see is something always comes out of space and things always go back into space. It's just beyond our perception.

Speaker 1: 1:06:16

Yeah, no, I'm definitely open or appreciative of the reality that so much of what's real. It remains a mystery. I think there's more of a intelligent design behind all this organized whatever we're living in than just random chance. But I'm going to direct us back to some like the health properties, because you mentioned some stories of customers, of people who have used your products. So tell us about some of the health promoting benefits of what people might experience, or what you've experienced, having people use water that's moved naturally.

Speaker 2: 1:06:52

I mean acutely, it's probably not so much there, it's probably overall better body energy, feeling which takes you out of that stuck condition, right, and I'll even say for people who are dying like should be dead, I've seen them make it through that downturn, that kind of flattened out no man's land where there's just no reason to be alive anymore because you can't enjoy an ounce of life here in such misery. I've seen people get through that on like water alone, in the structure sense where it's. They have to sit by water all day long to stay alive.

Speaker 2: 1:07:37

And if they don't, they feel like they're going to die. And so to me, like that was like there's enough life energy in the water that these folks were able to just drop the life energy into the body until they could figure out what to do acutely to really like get out of their position, if you will all the way down to. I mean, I've heard everything, because I think it's a holistic view of the whole body metabolism or regen or generation starts working better.

Speaker 2: 1:08:09

So now you get into mitochondria study and what the mitochondria does and what dehydration really is and what hydration really is. And even Dr Krebs, even though they didn't publish the work, he basically said oh, I had this cycle wrong. The carbohydrates are made to generate heat, which is one type of energy, but what's really going on at the end of the ETCs is the there's a proton that comes out of there and it sucks up the oxygen and makes water inside of the cell and that's what the mitochondria really charge up and run off of, so they kind of feed themselves to the creation of water.

Speaker 1: 1:08:49

Yeah, it's like there's really nothing in the realm of what would need to be healed. That water doesn't touch on some level is what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 1:08:57

Yeah, and then so the regen starts happening in every cell in the body, maybe except for the cancerous ones. But the point is, is like your cells that are still good, aren't like defecting as much anymore. So now you're adding to your regen Right, and the end cancer is. Your body can't generically not medically, but basically you can't regenerate cells. So you know, most people are aware that your cells are regenerated quite frequently, so you're kind of a walking standing wave that disappears and reappears in different rhythms throughout the body, all at once Right Way to think about it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:38

I mean when I found out like, oh, I thought, like you know certain cells, like maybe your skin regenerated, or maybe when you were heard it regenerated, but the studies keep getting faster and faster and faster on the regeneration.

Speaker 1: 1:09:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

And, like livers were rumored, one year to three years is the slowest organ in the body that completely can regenerate. You know, one year at 20, two years at 40, four years at 80, I think was some of the estimates like completely regenerate at 80 years old. If you have four years or we can go faster than that, because those studies were done in the 70s.

Speaker 2: 1:10:19

And there was no mention of structured water in those studies but there was a mention of used distilled water just because it's newborn and the proton energy is higher, and brand new distilled water. So that was kind of the advice back then. But then people are seeing in soil and in the human body we actually can get way faster than that.

Speaker 1: 1:10:43

Right on. Okay. Well, I heard one story on your website or somewhere else. There was a guy who was giving a talk and he had been, he had a kidney transplant and he was on dialysis and he said that that structured water did more for him to get his energy back and, despite being on immune suppressing drugs, he didn't get sick in two years. And this is during the COVID era where he's everyone around him's getting sick and he's fine. And well, I didn't know and maybe you, I don't know if you've heard that story, if you know that, but the guy I got the impression they ran the blood through a structuring unit. Was that what was going on or was that just the water he was drinking? That did that?

Speaker 2: 1:11:19

No, it's when they changed. During the dialysis they they cleaned the blood right, so they basically just filter it and put it back in. And so in a way, yes, but it's a bigger system and even pretty advanced universities were aware of this. So prior to that case, which we were aware of and his thing was cramping and misery after the dialysis, so independently, the research doctors from a particular university approached us to and said even though the water is chemically clean, our patients are miserable and we need to do something about it. And we've done some tests. And then they wanted to do a full clinical, like approved by the university.

Speaker 2: 1:12:11

Then we found out that Pfizer pretty much own the university and they can't all the research except for COVID out. So COVID again, right, but yeah. But basically their suggestion was mitochondria activity picked up in and the rest of it, you know the cramping and all that they didn't really know. But they had to do the the clinical studies outside of the human body before they could get approved to do it on a patient. So basically they were saying we see enough there to run this study, to get permission to begin to do this to dialysis patients. But we already had dialysis patients using the technology before and after the dialysis treatment. Who said the difference is massive?

Speaker 1: 1:12:56

Wow, yeah. Well, that story seemed to demonstrate that, but it was. It was a fascinating story to hear.

Speaker 2: 1:13:02

Yeah, yeah, me too. A lot, of, a lot of little stuff like that that you hear from people, and then some of it extreme where I wouldn't even repeat it. Like you know, cancer care I've cured. I don't really believe in cure. I believe you've changed your lifestyle enough to maintain your body for the conditions of where you're at. Yeah, you know, so many times you see that these natural functions come back and stress can do it. So it's not. You might exercise and eat, perfect, but let's just say you lose your life companion, you die of broken heart syndrome.

Speaker 2: 1:13:38

I've seen it, yeah, I've seen it in plants and animals and people. Where they lose their partner, it don't matter all this pathology and it's just their being right, their soul, their spirit, you know, wilts because of that situation and you can't do anything about it and there's a time to go right. Yeah, and my thing is, like you know, animals, which you know I work on more and test with more is. I'm not trying to keep them alive forever, I'm trying to make their quality of life better for me and them. If I'm their caretaker, oversight until it is time for them to go, and I've had really good luck with it All my animals that were ever suffering that I had full jurisdiction over. I didn't know how to do much with. It was more like try this, try that, wild slingshot, this stuff work. This stuff's crazy. I don't know what it's doing to a simple, consistent, what is the reality method that we can do here. And I can honestly say like animals that were scheduled to die in a couple of weeks off and went on to live two, three years later and when they died they they weren't in any severe suffering up until the day they died. So to me that was okay. This is working and this is working simple. It's not like some really complicated situation and human beings there's plenty of them doing. There's a lot of people who do the water plasma through the Brown's gas channel and George Wiseman he does a a decent job of sending that out into the world.

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

However, you know, my warning is is to keep in mind what medicine is and what your daily routine is, and medicine, by definition, is not used in excess and that means frequency, like you do it every day, because if you do it every day it ain't medicine anymore, and how much. And if you do it into excess, because what you were doing isn't working anymore and it's dose. So now you increase the dose, it's it's all going in the wrong direction. Now it's just a matter of time before that actually becomes problematic, becomes the, becomes the poison that you're trying to avoid. So, like, like Paracelsus said and water's a good example of this like, there is no such thing as a toxin or a poison, it's only the dose.

Speaker 1: 1:15:55

And, and to your point, frequency of it. Now you've, if taking drugs as a lifestyle, you've shifted a whole reality here, and cure is such a loaded term it's and there's so little nuance in using that and, for that matter, the pharmaceutical industrial complex has captured it as solely their property and no one else can even use it. So what a hairy situation to think that maybe we should just talk about healing. Maybe we should just talk about feeling better and measuring do I, do I have more joy as my heartburn gone, or whatever the things that we've.

Speaker 2: 1:16:28

I'm not against metrics, but they'll kill you in the long run if you get caught up in the metrics, because metrics are isolated pieces of a broken hole and you got to look at the whole if you know, how do you feel. So we had a, you know, like some like, say, some capable mineral water stuff. I'll give you an example of a story I heard. So there was in South America where the cancer wards are kind of like hospices a little bit more. So a doctor will volunteer in a small community and take care of 20 people and award and go around and do their you know blood work and you know whatever they're at, they're on chemo or whatever conventional treatment there is.

Speaker 2: 1:17:13

So we did a little. A guy was kind of at the end of his ropes, so we got involved in a little observation of a mineral water and the guy happened to get up five days later and leave the facility and he was there for a couple of years, I guess, and he was too sick to leave. So he leaves and I was working with clientele down there. Not this individual was in the cancer ward, the clientele down in Central America was, and so he calls and he tells me what the doctor wants to talk to you. So the doctor says to me what's going on, like what, what happened here? The blood numbers changed drastically, like quickly, and the patient got up and went home and said they weren't coming back.

Speaker 2: 1:18:06

And she wanted she wanted to know what happened. And I said I don't know what happened. I'm like your patient tell you what happened. And she says what? Like the blood change, what? Can you tell me what's changing in the blood and why? And I said it's just cleaning up the blood, you know, and everything's going to go all over the place.

Speaker 2: 1:18:23

The body's going to do all sorts of different stuff as it's cleaning up and rebuilding, right, and your metrics will get you all confused in here. You'll start chasing stuff around like, oh, this went too high, now let's give them this pill or give them that or do whatever, and just let it go. Let the body do its own thing. And she said well, you got to give me some explanation so we can work with this. And I said get the explanation from, and pay more attention to, your patients, I go. She was like how do we know this is actually working? And I said because your patient went home and sent us a video of them dancing to music while he was sweeping the street outside, like two days after he had been bedridden for two years from your chemotherapy. Right, I go. That's the question.

Speaker 2: 1:19:08

Yeah, measuring that answer measure your patients feeling right. And and then there's the harder side, right when you know you got to suffer a little bit, Like if you, if you want to build muscle, you're going to have to kind of tear your muscles down a little bit right, yeah, so not everybody can go. I feel worse. I quit Right. But you can. You can develop your intuition.

Speaker 1: 1:19:33

Yeah, I love how your study of mystery has led you into a philosophical look at science and what the human condition really is. That's, that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:19:44

I dug into it in the end. I was like, and I had a knack for finding the best books written where it did answer a lot of my questions but couldn't answer them all, and then going to the person who wrote that book and meeting them in person and ask them the final questions and how the conversation always ended. So we don't really know. Yeah, that's okay that we don't.

Speaker 1: 1:20:07

It's fun If we knew everything, life would be pretty boring, like it's more fun to have mystery and and to be constant seekers of what is actually going on and what's real and how do we live a better life?

Speaker 2: 1:20:20

To have your own journey right, like you go, do this stuff and if it doesn't work for you. What's greatest, especially with with water, is there's about a million more ways you can approach this that may work for you better. So like there's no reason to be disappointed if a method fails. But if you work with water and you do the lesses more, your failure rate is going to go down quite a bit.

Speaker 1: 1:20:42

Right. Well, okay, speaking of that, let me I could. I could talk to you all day, so let me. I've got some people have given me pragmatic questions here that want some John Butts wisdom. So I've heard that if you have structured water, you don't need to drink as much. So is there some truth to that or what's the how was there a sweet spot? And we often hear the you take body weight and you correlate that how much water you should drink, and what would be your thoughts on trying to create that sort of equation for hydration?

Speaker 2: 1:21:09

Use your intuition first before and you'll make your own lesses more baseline and some days you need less and some days you more. But 100% it's like eating food without mineral. Your body's hungry after the meal because it's hunting for the minerals, so you eat more to try and get more mineral in there so it can process one third of what you just ate. Same exact equation going on here and there's different types of waters, right. So if you get once your mineral liver reserve is up, good, you don't need as much water anymore because the water has the mineral.

Speaker 2: 1:21:48

If you're detoxing and flushing out the distilled water or the RO water, structured will do. It can hold more, right, it can hold more inside and lock it in. That's a scientific thing, measurable. You know it can hold more of a concentration of mineral, so you know you can get it out better right In the end, when your body fully comes around I would say an athlete who's expending and sweating or working out like your intake goes up right, because your injection of water goes, but it's probably like half, it's probably around half. So people drinking a gallon of bad water a day and flushing themselves out too much and having negative effects Like when they start to structure water and they're not doing heavy exercise right, they're doing light exercise like walking or whatever. They you know, two liters, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:22:43

And when we get into the really charged water like in the winter, we go into compression like in dehydrate in the winter compared to like the spring.

Speaker 2: 1:22:52

So there's this Ayurvedic behavior where everything's gonna dry out us included, right, and you're gonna be more dehydrated. Well, that's allowing everything to kind of reset right Now. Over wet for too long is bad and overdry for too long is bad, and everybody has different constructs, right, I'm kind of more of a dry construct. I stay lean, right. I don't hold a lot of water, so I'm very sensitive to water over and under. And you know, you might even say I spent most of my life dehydrated because I didn't drink a lot of water, cause I didn't, intuitively, I just didn't like the water so I didn't drink it.

Speaker 2: 1:23:31

And then I had an experience with living water when I was like 24. Actually, I had experiences with living water, but not of this level of quality. Well, I was fishing, right, you get thirsty, you run out of water because you fill your canteen up with that crappy tap water, and back then I actually refused to like buy pay for water. So back then, you know, when I was a professional hunting and fishing guide in wilderness, that's what I did after I got out of the military and I probably learned as much from being out in the wilderness as I did from nuclear power training different side of the coin, but I drank water out there straight from the river all the time and it's loaded with bacteria and living things. I mean it's and, but your body just knows right.

Speaker 1: 1:24:23

It's structure.

Speaker 2: 1:24:24

There's a magic thing going on there and your body just knows. So I had no idea. I was like man that's a shame there was like six billion people on earth and, like you, got to kind of hike out and and, but no later in my career I'd contribute to maybe changing that a little bit. So that moment was a life changing moment and I couldn't describe it to anybody what I felt like or what happened, there's no words for it. But I knew at that point there was a different thing going on by experience and you know kind of now I know what the water is capable of in nudging you towards your thing. And I would say the number one factor here is your intuition. If you, if you choose to work on that aspect and you believe you can communicate with water, believe, you know, even have to have faith, at this point you might get faith from, like studying Veta Austin.

Speaker 2: 1:25:18

I don't really go too much into that layer. I spent about five years there with my water plasma systems and communicating in different ways, and now what Veta is doing is is very interesting stuff and there's something there Everybody should look at that that there is probability evidence scientifically that you can communicate with water. She's even going into almost developing a hieroglyphic language that's repeatable, which is communicating in a very deep, complex way, like handing a novel to somebody, having them read it and then coming back and having a discussion about it. Right, that's that in my prediction. That's where she's going to end up at the end of her career with that study. So I just kind of observe, because I already knew it was going to happen long before she was doing it, because it happened to me in a different way and it was almost like you sense that this is knowledge, not your like unique experience, and you sense that you are being given this knowledge by some entity, that it doesn't matter to me what that entity is. It could be water, fine with me if it's water, because that's where it's all coming through, right, and you're able to take that and share it off to where you're.

Speaker 2: 1:26:31

Like my whole growing up was more right, you know, left brain, right arm, military, where if I had a pain, I would just say that I don't, I don't acknowledge that as anything significant, I just keep going, yeah, and I lived a life like that. But then as I started to work with the water, it kind of tore me back down and went to the other side of the coin, which is the only reality to the human being. Not the human body, but the human being is feeling. That's the only reality.

Speaker 2: 1:27:03

Eyesight, smell, taste, touch, they're all tertiary and they all come to the center of feeling. So you see something, it's the feeling that's the real. The visual incites the feeling, which is the reality. That taste insights the feeling, the smell insights the feeling. Right, and I also learned this in Hiawasca in a very deep way, of how feeling is the only reality of your being which is more of a female aspect. So, right, it kind of helps merge the male, female understanding and consciousness and then your intuition like, really gets good. So, like, you want to talk to your liver, like it doesn't talk in English, but it'll tell you what's the feeling.

Speaker 2: 1:27:46

Yeah, it'll tell you, and it doesn't have to be pain. It doesn't have to be pain and I always thought, you know, you had to wait for pain before a part of the body was talking to you, because otherwise you don't feel anything and it's like oh, this is a totally different thing.

Speaker 1: 1:28:00

So, there's.

Speaker 2: 1:28:01

the biggest benefit is you become more aware of your own body and how to operate it, and then how you operate your body and how you think, which is also operation.

Speaker 2: 1:28:12

Right, you're choosing what you think. In many senses You're in control of that, right, it's not a, it's not a belief anymore, it's your knowledge that you control your own thoughts and and you control what you expose yourself to. Right, so your thoughts will reflect the TV. If that's all you do is, if that's your life observation, right, yeah, your thoughts will also affect you. Know, if you're out in nature all the time, that's what your thoughts will reflect.

Speaker 2: 1:28:40

So what you were, the environment you choose to put yourself in, is a lot of what the computer spits back out. Right. So the mind is, is part of the whole body and a theoretical thing. The brain is a computer that you know is able to record and hold information and spit it back out when needed. So that's the biggest advantage here is, if you operate your machine better, your biological machine better, and you're in a better mood and you're happier, guess what that transfers in resonance over to the people you're around and you, you don't want to fight them with force if you don't like what you're picking up from them. So you relocate yourself because you're mobile.

Speaker 2: 1:29:22

Still, right, I got to get out of here before this goes bad, right, I'm not trying to get this you hear it all the time, people talking like this, but if you asked them if they thought it was a fact, they're. No, it's just a belief I have and I operate, but it is knowledge, because that's what they operate by and it gives them better odds in life, right? So other people say that's impossible. But doing the water relationship faith to knowledge, you know, belief to faith to action, to knowledge thing truly makes you more intelligence, which is awareness, not smartness, and you get your computer brain out of the way, or monkey mind, some people call it, and then you can start to progress with anything, and creation, I think, comes into play where time zeroes out and you start doing more creative things with your life. And I believe we're in that transition and we're done. I'm just, you know a part of where the water is flowing and I'm not denying it. I'm not afraid of what to say because my knowledge of it is a lot deeper than what I can communicate and say. So I'm comfortable, you know, with it and sharing that journey and I believe I was given those gifts. I don't have knowledge, but I know I was given those gifts instantaneously from choosing to focus on water and its ability to do this and my knowledge of that. So that's.

Speaker 2: 1:30:40

It was like a day, one day I was like, oh no, I know I'm doing what I'm doing with my life. I always used to wonder what am I going to do with my life? I'm doing this, doing nuclear power Now. I'm running around the mountains, now I'm, you know, building race cars and working in steel mills, and what am I going to do with my life? And you know, building machines was one thing, but I also had this thing where I was kind of contributing to the machine, you know, like the machine that's eating, every eating off of everything.

Speaker 2: 1:31:09

Yeah, I was like that doesn't feel right to me to support this big industry that I know is like the heavy polluter. You know what I mean. I mean this is where it's too much right, and they're the ones who plug up the technology when you tell them hey, we don't have to mine the earth the rest of our lives, we're not going to run out of anything.

Speaker 2: 1:31:29

You know if we do this right.

Speaker 2: 1:31:31

You know we can actually grow this stuff if we do it right.

Speaker 2: 1:31:35

At the same time I realize, you know, the human race collective hasn't really kind of got there, maybe if it can just respect water. So I'm like I'm in the right channel of just gaining more respect for the planet. You know people are always going to take their technology and the mining over it, but if they understand that water is like the mother in the womb of everything universally in the sense of a formation of the planet, biological life and more so-called advanced beings like we're supposed to be, that we at least can make that change. And I don't care if everything evaporates tomorrow. You do the right thing and once you get involved in that, life's more enjoyable in the moment and you'll start taking better care of yourselves and you won't freak out if you're over a straight edge done. You know having a beer every now and then you're like, don't give too much power to these single things that you know a lot of people out there say oh, you can heal if you do this and it's like do this when and how.

Speaker 2: 1:32:32

You know what I mean. If you do, you can go get radiation poisoned once and it'll have a positive effect on your body. You do it every day. It'll kill you. So, it's all a matter of your own freedom and you earn it and the results you get from it, or give you the reality how good you are at it. You know so Wow.

Speaker 1: 1:32:54

That was way more depth than I was expecting on how much water to drink. That was amazing. So well then, there's yeah, that's the whole conversation, right? Whole conversation, right. Intuition develop your intuition.

Speaker 2: 1:33:06

You have to as a human being. I heard somebody say in a pretty advanced discussion that if you don't build your own matrix, the matrix will build yours for you. Yeah, and nobody really likes that being locked in a cage. Right, that has to be done this way. That's what the matrix is, right? Yeah, and you build more and more rules until eventually you're in a situation where you're loose, until eventually all the good times are ruined for everyone and it's like the universe will take the matrix that's here and slap it right on you. If you don't show the wherewithal and the freedom to build your own and build it, well, right, if you build the shit here, one is just going to fall down and be replaced by the one that already exists. So the health matrix, the money matrix, the fund matrix, that's all yours to create and that's the real end game of you know, which is you'll drink the right amount by your own doing.

Speaker 2: 1:34:00

And and, like you should get hydrated at certain times of the year and dehydrated at relatively right. You're breathing the water the water, the water breeze, and that's our point. When the water is not breathing anymore and it's flat lined and it's square, uh-oh, now you're adding a load to your body. What are we work with? The doctor? Ayurvedic doctor was nephrologist conventionally and he's the guy who kind of got involved in all that kidney study and interest and he basically says you don't want to have to digest your water to get your body to use it.

Speaker 1: 1:34:31

He's like that's a good way to put it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:34:34

Because that's to take it apart and put it back together in a way. In other words, it has to structure it.

Speaker 1: 1:34:39

Yeah, your body could use that energy for something else, so why not put the structure in place to begin with? Okay, well, that brings up a good point. So how long does water stay structured is another question people have wanted to know, like do I have to drink it right away, or can I sit there for five minutes or five hours, or what's the story?

Speaker 2: 1:34:57

It actually gets better when you let it sit.

Speaker 1: 1:35:00

Oh, good to know, tell me more.

Speaker 2: 1:35:02

Yeah. So let's just say you put it in your fridge overnight and drink it in the morning. It cools down, it degasses, it evolves. We actually scan this. We have scanners that can look at the structure. It doesn't really tell us what the structure is. It tells us how the structure is changing.

Speaker 2: 1:35:21

It is rough size, right, and we can see only so far into it, right. So we can see maybe 10 miles microscopically and 10 miles telescopically, and after that we can't see anymore. But we can see down to the oxygen level, where oxygen will start playing a role in this, and you can see the bubbles change in the water. So it'll develop a lot of bubbles on the glass after you just structure it, and when those bubbles start to go back in, that's the water getting fully matured. But we can't really do this in line rapidly, right? So there's a difference between, like the trigger effects that fix the water, you know, increase the oxygen, smooth out the water, make it taste better, and then the finishing of the water is a whole nother thing. And so, basically, if we use the normal parameter, the structure goes up and down over the course of a week and it's always changed for good, unless somebody like radiates, it leaves, heats it up Anything that would cause separation or heat waves it.

Speaker 2: 1:36:29

Yeah, any radiation or heat right. So a cold process is going to preserve it. Minimizing the heat, minimizing the radiation or minimizing entropy right. And so entropy is energy that the water doesn't need or can't use, and that's a physics term where the system cannot use the energy.

Speaker 2: 1:36:47

So, it's called entropy. Enthalpy is the energy that's usable by the system and the water can draw that from the ether. So it doesn't want. Once it's going, it doesn't want any more outside inputs, unless we're getting into programming or telling the water what to do. Like, let's just say we're programming it with a color frequency that's associated with the chakra, that's associated with an organ, and that energy center is messed up. So that's that's kind of where I'm at and that's like two 300 year old technology, like on record.

Speaker 1: 1:37:22

Okay, so if we structure a water in the morning, we don't have to worry about it being unstructured by evening? Is what you're saying? Yes, Simple answer Very cool, All right. Well, one more question. Is there anything I forgot to ask you that would be important for somebody to know? Where do they go to learn about structured water?

Speaker 2: 1:37:39

We do, you know, pretty good education at naturalactioncom.

Speaker 2: 1:37:44

There's a section and called the water vault, out of the navigation page in the upper right, where we have more presentations and about 15 hours of webinars that are very technical. So what you and I talked about today is can come down to measurements and metric systems and managing your own health and seeing stuff a lot faster and using your intuition and using old school stuff that's body holistic, that's simple, cost effective and different versions of it. So some people are more intuitive, some people are more metric. So I give you real world methods of all right, get your water structured, start playing with this and start measuring your body baseline and when you get good at it, you won't need to measure anymore. You'll realize you're using how you feel as a gauge for your you know, if you want to, if you want to assess yourself on how well you're doing in life and your evolution and your joy of it. And then there's a bunch of definitions, like you talked about, technical stuff and deeper layers there and then I would route people to Victor Shawburger on water.

Speaker 2: 1:38:55

More conventional people that like are at the university level, maybe Gerald Pollack and that probably about do it. I think when you get into the other avenues of it starts going down too much of a rabbit hole again stretches it out. So Victor Shawburger and Gerald Pollack are two banwis of written conventional to a theoretical teachings. Probably from Pollack to Shawburger would be the order. And then and then implementing what Shawburger was talking about, and I get into a noble water which is Shawburger's version of turning medicine spring water and trying to replicate that in the home. They, he said back in the thirties they used to hike up to the mountains. He was taught this, so then he like learned how to replicate what he was taught to a reasonable degree, and that's a bit about. What our technology is about is replicating nature and bringing it into the home, and that should be good enough, that's plenty.

Speaker 1: 1:39:53

I'm sure if anybody wants to geek out, they have a full buffet before them. So all right. So tell people a little bit about the technology and how to find you, follow your work, that sort of thing.

Speaker 2: 1:40:04

Natural actioncom or natural action watercom is 100% the best way to and I'm pretty accessible. And then we do everything from home portable travel units, compact light, all the way up to commercial grade systems for agriculture, whatever. Since I came out of, you know, process engineering at the nuclear power level and grew up in heavy industry at the steel mill level, there's not much discouraged about building or designing or having already done with water. It kind of has more focus there.

Speaker 1: 1:40:44

Especially for agriculture. I didn't think of that because that I did an interview with Zen Honeycutt and we talked about how polluted our food system is in particular, like the potatoes and some of it's the chemicals going through the pipes, leaching all this heavy metal, putting it into the food, and to think that you could structure that or use some sort of living water to help grow food, that's even like wow, now we're really solving some significant problems. So bravo, john, I love it.

Speaker 2: 1:41:13

Yeah, yeah, the other solutions in the study of biology, for all that stuff. In other words, nature will take care of most of all these problems if we don't get in the way. Yeah, exactly, we get out of the way and start copying the way things are done in the universe and it'll be just fine. And then at least we've chosen collectively or had leadership that said, hey, we should probably go this way with the future of these things, regardless of whether the planet goes into decay and dies or not. When you're done with the journey, your own personal journey and your contribution outwardly, you kind of want to be able to say I feel like I did the right thing, without the fear of we're destroying the planet and it's all going to be over, and to end this fear base like right thing.

Speaker 1: 1:42:02

Right, that might be so dramatically underestimated, especially once you understand a little bit about water, just how capable of the human body the earth is at healing itself. And this whole scarcity, fear, nonsense that gets pushed on us is just laughable once you scratch the surface of understanding what we talked about today. So, john, thank you so much for taking this much time. I really have appreciated just hearing you wax poetic. I've appreciated hearing you geek out on science and help me define terms and just get my head around this wonderful world of water and the ways that we have underestimated how much it can help the body heal. So thank you so much and it's been a great pleasure talking to you today.

Speaker 2: 1:42:41

Yeah, much gratitude to you and the work you do and the time you took and your interest in it Really, really appreciated. It's good stuff to share. So without that avenue, you know, there wouldn't be much purpose to. You know what I've done, you know. So sharing it's the deal and and much gratitude for people are willing to help share, kind of way down the rabbit hole and way eccentric of the normal discussion. But I think it's needed to make the changes to do the right thing. So thank you for help doing that.

Speaker 1: 1:43:11

You're welcome. It's been an honor to amplify it and we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 2: 1:43:14

All right, Take care Christian Appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 1:43:16

Yep Bye.

Speaker 2: 1:43:18

Bye.